Gay marriages....now what about siblings parents or animals?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ok, I just will point out that you're using, as an example to sustain your point, Facebook, which is social media.

Relationships are what those involved make of them. You can very well say you're in a relationship, in FB (to use your *gods* example), and be in an open relationship with more than 2 people.

Yeah...I may be a little drunk. Or more than a little.

Um..."*gods* example"? o.O And I was speaking with the social implications of it, which do matter, Nana. Most people, maybe not you, maybe not everybody, but most people, when there hear "Hey, I'm in a relationship with this person", automatically assume it is monogamous. Likewise, when most people say "they are in a relationship" they are imply monogamy.

Again, you think that most people who are in a relationship are monogamous and yet, you don't really know that. You are in a monogamous relationship (which is what you know), I am in one (which is what I know), but saying 'most people' is a bit of a reach since you really don't know what is going on in people's bedrooms.

[Ovisterra]

Oh please. Boys are applauded for hooking up with everything that breaths.

Could you be more sexist?

Yes, easily. It's easy to be more sexist than I am now, because I'm not being sexist.

Some guys, probably. Just like how some girls applaude eachother when they sleep around. My group of friends? Hell no. If you weren't dating the person, you got a talking to from hell.

Perhaps it's just the culture I grew up in, but boys who end up with lots of girls are lauded and praised, but the opposite is shamed.

[The Rich Port]

Oh please. Boys are applauded for hooking up with everything that breaths.

Used to be too true not so much anymore. Times change marriages shouldn't. Not a bad slogan, eh?

It's a terrible slogan. You should be ashamed of yourself, you slut.

[Ovisterra]

Oh please. Boys are applauded for hooking up with everything that breaths.

Used to be too true not so much anymore. Times change marriages shouldn't. Not a bad slogan, eh?

It's a shit slogan.

[Grenartia]

What did you do to it?

And it depends, pain responses are contigent upon a number of different things - like nervous system. Typically if something doesn't feel pain it isn't going to last for long since it'll do things detrimental to its health and not know. Scientists have proven, for example, trout, salmon etc have very well developed pain response mechanisms.

All it did is swim and shit. It then jumped out of it's bowl when I wasn't home. Since I wasn't there to put it back in the bowl, it died.

I used to work at a tropical fish store. We had feeder goldfish (the type people commonly get) in addition to several other types. Feeders (we called them that because they're good for putting in tanks for carnivorous fish to eat) tend to jump out of their tanks.

All it did is swim and shit. It then jumped out of it's bowl when I wasn't home. Since I wasn't there to put it back in the bowl, it died.

Goldfish aren't supposed to be kept in bowls. They're actually pretty dirty and need a sizable aquarium with a filter system.

I had a goldish, he responded to stimuli. Every time I put food in for him, he went for it. Also, there's a Mythbusters episode where they teach a goldfish to run a maze.

^this.

[Llamalandia]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Not EVERYTHING.

Everything that breathes, is human, and has a vagina, in the case of heterosexual boys. Happy?

"Ugly"/"Fat"/"Unappealing"/etc.

[Dakini]

1. My circle of friends doesn't tend to shame anyone for their sexual behaviour. In the broader culture, this is what happens though.
2. No. The relationship made me miserable. The fact that this man berated me, accused me of cheating on him (I didn't) and made me feel like I couldn't do any better than him over the course of a few years hurt me and caused me distress. When I finally scraped together enough self-respect to dump his ass, I felt awesome.

1. We give someone shit, no matter their gender. There is, normally, no heat to the words, but the shaming is still there.
2. Steps of what happens: 1. Relationship goes shitty. 2. Talk it out. 3a. If talking works, great. 3b. If it doesn't, enjoy the single life for a bit.

Dude, until you've been in an abusive relationship, you can foad as far as telling me how bad relationships go. Just like you can foad when you want to tell me that sleeping around is a road to distress and heartbreak or whatever (because this chain of responses wasn't to cheating, it started with a response to general sleeping around). Want to know who's never hurt me? Men I've casually fooled around with because guess what? It's hard to hurt someone who isn't emotionally attached to you.

[Ovisterra]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

Your train of thought is hard to follow.

A girl posted her sex life online, therefore men are shamed.

[Llamalandia]

Used to be too true not so much anymore. Times change marriages shouldn't. Not a bad slogan, eh?

It's a shit slogan.

Thanx for the feedback but how would suggest I improve it or are you merely incapable of giving constructive criticisms.

[Anachronous Rex]

Oh please. Boys are applauded for hooking up with everything that breaths.

Used to be too true not so much anymore. Times change marriages shouldn't. Not a bad slogan, eh?

Yeah, let's just go back to the good old days where women were sold to their husbands, and forced to marry their rapists.

Here's an actually good slogan,
"Times change, everything worthwhile should be periodically reevaluated."

[Dakini]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

You're sure this was a real thing and not something that Maxim invented?

[Ovisterra]

It's a shit slogan.

Thanx for the feedback but how would suggest I improve it or are you merely incapable of giving constructive criticisms.

OK: Times change, marriages should too if we realise we're getting in the way of civil rights and progress by not changing them.

[Llamalandia]

Used to be too true not so much anymore. Times change marriages shouldn't. Not a bad slogan, eh?

Yeah, let's just go back to the good old days where women were sold to their husbands, and forced to marry their rapists.

Here's an actually good slogan,
"Times change, everything worthwhile should be periodically reevaluated."

You slogan is a little longer than I was going for with mine. Also I said exceptions should be made for abuse in the relationship your simply going way too far back in time. plus there is absolutely no controversy over ownership of persons in the developed world, there is argument around the nature of marriage and divorce.

[Calixs]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

you got that from a movie

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

You're sure this was a real thing and not something that Maxim invented?

It might have been Cosmopolitan. They enjoy doing this kind of shit and then ascribing it to 'experts'.

[Llamalandia]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

you got that from a movie

Uh no I believe it was from Huffpo I ll try and google it.

[Hathradic States]

Yeah...I may be a little drunk. Or more than a little.

Um..."*gods* example"? o.O And I was speaking with the social implications of it, which do matter, Nana. Most people, maybe not you, maybe not everybody, but most people, when there hear "Hey, I'm in a relationship with this person", automatically assume it is monogamous. Likewise, when most people say "they are in a relationship" they are imply monogamy.

Again, you think that most people who are in a relationship are monogamous and yet, you don't really know that. You are in a monogamous relationship (which is what you know), I am in one (which is what I know), but saying 'most people' is a bit of a reach since you really don't know what is going on in people's bedrooms.

I can make a fair guess, given social tendencies.

[The Rich Port]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

Except for the guys that were rated "Decent" and upwards.

They were probably all "BOOYAH" and shit.

[Hathradic States]

1. We give someone shit, no matter their gender. There is, normally, no heat to the words, but the shaming is still there.
2. Steps of what happens: 1. Relationship goes shitty. 2. Talk it out. 3a. If talking works, great. 3b. If it doesn't, enjoy the single life for a bit.

Dude, until you've been in an abusive relationship, you can foad as far as telling me how bad relationships go. Just like you can foad when you want to tell me that sleeping around is a road to distress and heartbreak or whatever (because this chain of responses wasn't to cheating, it started with a response to general sleeping around). Want to know who's never hurt me? Men I've casually fooled around with because guess what? It's hard to hurt someone who isn't emotionally attached to you.

Dude, I have. It sucked. I hated it. I got out of it as soon as I could and save face.

And, I'll say it again, casual sex isn't bad. When you're single/in an open relationship.

[Dakini]

You're sure this was a real thing and not something that Maxim invented?

It might have been Cosmopolitan. They enjoy doing this kind of shit and then ascribing it to 'experts'.

There's a series written by Ben Reininga published in Nerve where he goes through and looks at the terrible sex advice doled out by magazines. It's funny, but it might skirt the PG 13 thinger so I'm not going to link it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Again, you think that most people who are in a relationship are monogamous and yet, you don't really know that. You are in a monogamous relationship (which is what you know), I am in one (which is what I know), but saying 'most people' is a bit of a reach since you really don't know what is going on in people's bedrooms.

I can make a fair guess, given social tendencies.

Then I am sure you've noticed that monogamous relationships aren't the norm as much as you think.

And that when you get involved with someone and are in a relationship, one sits down and discuss these things: how the relationship is going to go -monogamy or polyamory. One does not imply. *nod*

[Llamalandia]

If I recall wasn't there a female grad student who rated and catalogued all her sexual encounters and then published her findings and opinions online I can't remember the exact story but clearly making fun of men for being poor in bed and shaming accordingly is becoming fair game as much much as slut shaming is.

you got that from a movie

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/10/our-inevitable-culture-skipping-ahead-to-the-duke-sex-thesis-television-show

Today’s New York Times contains an exposition of what many less patrician publications are calling the Duke University “Fuck List,” a 2010 graduate’s prolix PowerPoint presentation that details the bedside manner of 13 student-athletes. For 42 pages, paramours are scored on such subjects as attractiveness, size, and talent. On September 30, the document was posted on Jezebel, and it has since been tweeted “with the frenzied speed of the Indianapolis 500,” according to the Times, which gamely stuck to athletic metaphors. The Duke student newspaper published a wry editorial about the scandal, drolly suggesting the dossier’s author, Karen Owen, achieved a type of feminist victory. “Can anybody really argue that gender inequality still exists when a seemingly innocent and fairly generic Duke girl can bring down the reputations of more than a dozen varsity athletes with a simple .pptx file, and the only comeuppance she receives is a rumor of a book deal?” the piece asked. Yesterday morning, the Today show sent a correspondent to Duke’s Durham, North Carolina, campus on a fact-finding mission. “People gossip with their friends all the time about sex … I’ve been told,” a diffident Jeff Rossen reported, “but this is something entirely different.” Sociologically speaking, perhaps, but the Fuck List, a, um, viral sensation, has all the trappings of various successful computer-screen-to-silver-screen ventures, such as $h*! My Dad Says, Shh! Don’t Tell Steve, and Awkward Family Photos. The document has already attracted the attention of literary agents, so it should be only a matter of months until The F$*k List leads into $h*! My Dad Says on CBS’s lineup. It will then once again return to its Internet origins, this time in the form of weekly re-caps.

See told ya it was real.

[Hathradic States]

Could you be more sexist?

Yes, easily. It's easy to be more sexist than I am now, because I'm not being sexist.

Some guys, probably. Just like how some girls applaude eachother when they sleep around. My group of friends? Hell no. If you weren't dating the person, you got a talking to from hell.

Perhaps it's just the culture I grew up in, but boys who end up with lots of girls are lauded and praised, but the opposite is shamed.

No, saying "boys are appleaded for hooking up with everything that breaths" is stereotyping, and sexist to say.

Mayhaps. With my friends, things were different, and that is what affected me.

[Anachronous Rex]

Yeah, let's just go back to the good old days where women were sold to their husbands, and forced to marry their rapists.

Here's an actually good slogan,
"Times change, everything worthwhile should be periodically reevaluated."

You slogan is a little longer than I was going for with mine. Also I said exceptions should be made for abuse in the relationship your simply going way too far back in time. plus there is absolutely no controversy over ownership of persons in the developed world, there is argument around the nature of marriage and divorce.

How far back in time do you think I'm going? The answer may surprise you.

Besides, what you are advocating is a change to marriage as well. The classical Christian definition is "a means by which two people, incapable of abstinence, satisfy each others sexual needs without sin." You read your Bible, that's what it will say... at least in the New Testament (so there's a change right there.)

You're not advocating that though, nor are you advocating a return to the status quo of any time period, because what you propose makes marriage so undesirable, that almost no one would want to participate in one. Meaning that the vast majority of couples would be unmarried, and marriage would apply only to a small minority of, presumably, masochists and fools.