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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:00 am

Ailiailia wrote:Promoting change: Progressive.
Neutral: Retardative.
Promoting restoration of previous conditions: Regressive.


I'd say neutral: Arrested Development.

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Postby Person012345 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:04 am

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Ailiailia wrote:Promoting change: Progressive.
Neutral: Retardative.
Promoting restoration of previous conditions: Regressive.


I'd say neutral: Arrested Development.

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Postby Isarabaeum » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:11 am

No one will marry an animal, and so what if they do, I say? They're too dumb too know the difference anyways, and it's up to us to let people live as they'd like to - you know, it goes back to the pursuit of happiness that we all seek in our lives. I say we should welcome them with arms wide open, at least - I know I would, and I'd do the same for those who would like to marry their siblings too. Hey - after all - it's better than wanting to marry just for the sake of getting married, I say. :ugeek:

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:13 am

Isarabaeum wrote:No one will marry an animal, and so what if they do, I say? They're too dumb too know the difference anyways, and it's up to us to let people live as they'd like to - you know, it goes back to the pursuit of happiness that we all seek in our lives. I say we should welcome them with arms wide open, at least - I know I would, and I'd do the same for those who would like to marry their siblings too. Hey - after all - it's better than wanting to marry just for the sake of getting married, I say. :ugeek:

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Postby French Union » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:41 am

A dog or whatever can't even understand the concept of marriage nor can they consent to it. It's pointless to give an okay to marrying an animal, some free thereby to someone who wants to marry an animal, that could be something that should be done. Marrying some family member, meh, who cares, there's little point in stopping it. A family member can be just as useful as anyone else, so why not allow it.

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Postby Screensaver » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:49 pm

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Screensaver wrote:This one of the reasons I oppose liberalism. I am in favor of same-sex marriage and LGBT rights but that is a single issue which will no longer exist when equality is fully implemented. Liberalism on the other hand is a dangerous ideology (just as dangerous as conservatism). It moves like a glacier down a slippery slope. There are already some movements (which sadly seem to be growing) in liberalism that support things such as legalizing bestiality, pedophilic relationships, and other sick things. As long as the liberals maintain their grip on the LGBT community there will be no stopping this slippery slope. The only way to stop it is to sever the liberal movement's grip on LGBT rights by getting more and more non-liberals to prominently support LGBT rights. However this is easier said than done.

Opposing liberalism on the grounds that it's liberalism is JUST as ideological.

What you should do is, support liberalism in as far as it supports you. When it tries to go further, work against it. This blind knee-jerk reactionism against "liberal" is moronic. And if you're only supporting LGBT so that you can "break dem ebil liberals grip on LGBT" then you're an idiot.


Me an idiot? You completely misread my post. I don't subscribe to any particular ideology and I am not reactionary. Also I have always supported LGBT rights because I feel that they do deserve equal rights.

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Postby Zocra » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:07 pm

Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?


I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:08 pm

Zocra wrote:
Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?


I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.

How, on this Earth or any other, does fucking a human equate to fucking a dog?

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Postby Person012345 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:08 pm

Screensaver wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Opposing liberalism on the grounds that it's liberalism is JUST as ideological.

What you should do is, support liberalism in as far as it supports you. When it tries to go further, work against it. This blind knee-jerk reactionism against "liberal" is moronic. And if you're only supporting LGBT so that you can "break dem ebil liberals grip on LGBT" then you're an idiot.


Me an idiot? You completely misread my post. I don't subscribe to any particular ideology and I am not reactionary. Also I have always supported LGBT rights because I feel that they do deserve equal rights.

Well, I didn't so much mean that you were an idiot, rather that IF you did that you are an idiot. It was more general.
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Postby Lunaris » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:23 pm

If between humans, then i would support marriages of any kind. As long as the parties involved are willing, there is nothing wrong in that.

Inter-species thing is well... :blink:

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Postby Saint Jade IV » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:07 pm

Zocra wrote:
Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?


I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.


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I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.

How, on this Earth or any other, does fucking a human equate to fucking a dog?

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Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:How, on this Earth or any other, does fucking a human equate to fucking a dog?

Because GOD! And HELL! And HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT THE DEPTHS OF MORDOR11!!!11one!!

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Individuality-ness wrote:Because GOD! And HELL! And HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT THE DEPTHS OF MORDOR11!!!11one!!

Oh, hey Indi. *kiss* Enjoy your breakation?

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Zocra wrote:
Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?


I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.


As a gay person, I can tell you factually and objectively that I was rather surprised to find out I was into boys.

As for the slippery slope argument, how come fundamentalist Mormons and fundamentalist Muslims (both homophobic groups) are the most well-known modern supporters of polygamy? How come zoophilia is legal in Montana, Texas and Alabama but not in Washington, New York or California? How come first-cousin marriage is legal in Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina and Florida but not Washington or Oregon?
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Person012345 wrote:Opposing liberalism on the grounds that it's liberalism is JUST as ideological.

What you should do is, support liberalism in as far as it supports you. When it tries to go further, work against it. This blind knee-jerk reactionism against "liberal" is moronic. And if you're only supporting LGBT so that you can "break dem ebil liberals grip on LGBT" then you're an idiot.


Me an idiot? You completely misread my post. I don't subscribe to any particular ideology and I am not reactionary. Also I have always supported LGBT rights because I feel that they do deserve equal rights.


Source for liberals wanting to legalize "beastiality and pedophilic relationships"? Sounds like fear-mongering bullshit, with no substance behind it.

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Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?


I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.


If you really did respect LGBT people, you'd support our efforts at obtaining equality, instead of trying to keep us as second-class citizens.

Also, there is no such thing as "the gay lifestyle", any more than there is such a thing as "the straight lifestyle", and its been SCIENTIFICALLY proven that its not a choice.

There is nothing inherently wrong with polygamy, so long as all involved are capable of giving informed consent (which is the very thing that means we will never legalize beastiality, as animals cannot give informed consent).

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock, but your beliefs are shitty, incorrect, and out of touch with known reality.

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I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.


As a gay person, I can tell you factually and objectively that I was rather surprised to find out I was into boys.

As for the slippery slope argument, how come fundamentalist Mormons and fundamentalist Muslims (both homophobic groups) are the most well-known modern supporters of polygamy? How come zoophilia is legal in Montana, Texas and Alabama but not in Washington, New York or California? How come first-cousin marriage is legal in Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina and Florida but not Washington or Oregon?


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Zocra wrote:
Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?


I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.


>Claims to respect homosexuals
>Speaks against everything that makes them homosexual, as well as expresses a desire to make them second class citizens

At least have the integrity to admit that you're a hateful bigot.
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Zocra wrote:
I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.


As a gay person, I can tell you factually and objectively that I was rather surprised to find out I was into boys.

As for the slippery slope argument, how come fundamentalist Mormons and fundamentalist Muslims (both homophobic groups) are the most well-known modern supporters of polygamy? How come zoophilia is legal in Montana, Texas and Alabama but not in Washington, New York or California? How come first-cousin marriage is legal in Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina and Florida but not Washington or Oregon?

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2) When exactly was zoophilia legalized in Texas?
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4) For mormons, see #3
5) I am a Christian Traditionalist Conservative, and I am strictly against polygamy.
6) To be fair, incest laws usually only apply to the immedite family, making cousins excempt from this. (I don't know if this is the law everywhere; I really have no opinion on cousin marriage. Let the Supreme Court rule on that.)
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Death Metal wrote:[quote="Zocra";]
I must say...you sound like a very interesting person...judging by your sig, you sound like someone I could actually agree with (politically). Well....anyway....I personally disagree with Homosexual Marriage. I believe that the institution of marriage was, and should still be, for one man and one woman. Although I respect Homosexuals, I simply disagree with their lifestyle and I think it is a choice, not something that you are born with or destined to be. And yes, obviously if we allow homosexual marriage, we are bound to turn to other practices, such as polygamy, bestiality, or incest. These are my beliefs.[/quote]

>Claims to respect homosexuals
>Speaks against everything that makes them homosexual, as well as expresses a desire to make them second class citizens

At least have the integrity to admit that you're a hateful bigot.[/quote]


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Not really. Admitting you have a problem is only the first step.
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Cosara wrote:
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As a gay person, I can tell you factually and objectively that I was rather surprised to find out I was into boys.

1) Doubt it.


I'd love to know how you know Meryuma's personal feelings more than Meryuma does. This is precisely the response that boggles my mind.

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And here I am after all of that, finally accepting who I am and being an advocate for others who were in a similar situation as I was, unable to cope with the fact that they were raised to believe that being gay was wrong. The fact that you don't believe any of our stories doesn't make it any less true.
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Cosara wrote:6) To be fair, incest laws usually only apply to the immedite family, making cousins excempt from this. (I don't know if this is the law everywhere; I really have no opinion on cousin marriage. Let the Supreme Court rule on that.)


In most places amongst modern western nations it is the law...... the prohibition against cousin marriage that still exists in some US states is a holdout from bad research in the 19th century. It's predicated on issues that pretty much don't exist, as such the prohibitions have no business being on the books (which makes it very much like prohibiting same-sex marriage).
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Postby Herdgergy » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:20 am

i don't think gays marriage will leading to marrying of animals, i'm still against it no matter what. I think marriage should ALWAYS be between a man and a woman because marraige is for creating families!
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I am a 13 year old CHRISTIAN who isnt very good with spelling or grammer. if I make a mistake tell me. I am aganst gay marriage because I think marriage is between man and a woman only!

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Postby Divair » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:20 am

Herdgergy wrote:i don't think gays marriage will leading to marrying of animals, i'm still against it no matter what. I think marriage should ALWAYS be between a man and a woman because marraige is for creating families!

Says who?

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