Gay marriages....now what about siblings parents or animals?

[Srboslavija]

Wait hold up...people actually support incest on here? What kind of sick shit is this.

If two siblings who are of the age of consent, and are indeed consenting, want to have sex, how does that hurt you?

Does supporting LGBT equality automatically make you have to support incest?

[Surfistan]

No, they're not incapable, as pubescent kids do what pubescent kids do, but in my opinion, 18 years is a good measure since by that age, most people are already fully devoloped at that age.

So when you said "children can't consent", you actually meant they can but you want to impose your own predetermined age limit?

I think every rational person does no? Now from 15 years, most adolescents are forming their own opinion and devoloping their personalities but still, caution must be maintained to avoid abuse, no?

That's why I view 18 as a consenting age for sex and marriage, maybe 16 at least and that's only with people of the same age or close to that age.

[Pillea]

If two adults who are consenting decide they want to blow up their house should we still allow that?

Considering playing with high grade explosives is illegal

[Pillea]

If two siblings who are of the age of consent, and are indeed consenting, want to have sex, how does that hurt you?

Does supporting LGBT equality automatically make you have to support incest?

Not in the slightest

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

If two siblings who are of the age of consent, and are indeed consenting, want to have sex, how does that hurt you?

Does supporting LGBT equality automatically make you have to support incest?

Apparently yes.
Welcome to the new world order.

[Pillea]

If two siblings who are of the age of consent, and are indeed consenting, want to have sex, how does that hurt you?

You´re absolutely right. It´ll only hurt them.

Oh? I assume with such a statement you've got a lovely science backed source that isn't just incredibly biased nonsense?

[Tsuntion]

If two adults who are consenting decide they want to blow up their house should we still allow that?

No, because that harms their neighbours. Please explain how adults in a consensual relationship with each other harms other people.

[Fascist Worcestershire]

If two adults who are consenting decide they want to blow up their house should we still allow that?

Considering playing with high grade explosives is illegal

But they are consenting so why shouldn't they be allowed to obtain explosives, or better yet how about if my brother asks for me to kill him and we both consent where is the line drawn?

[Fascist Worcestershire]

If two adults who are consenting decide they want to blow up their house should we still allow that?

No, because that harms their neighbours. Please explain how adults in a consensual relationship with each other harms other people.

It's incest, it's not meant to happen.

[Srboslavija]

Does supporting LGBT equality automatically make you have to support incest?

Not in the slightest

So what could possibly be your motives for taking up the incest cause?

With the tags in your sig I could probably guess... but I don't want to be mean though.

[AiliailiA]

Except marriage is not about procreation.

No it's not. It shouldn't even be about sexuality.

Back in the days of contested divorce (where one partner sought to keep the other married to them, and the other partner had to prove in court reasons why the marriage should end) there was a grounds for divorce called "failure to consummate". One partner, generally the female, would attempt to prove that the other partner had never had sex with them. Denying them children etc.

No-fault divorce is far better. If either partner withdraws their consent to marriage, and after due process, then a divorce occurs. The division of property and the right of access to children (if any) are contentious ... divorce law needs to be refined in this regard. But no-fault divorce is far preferable to at-fault divorce which sets the separating couple against each other with lawyers at the expense of both, at a time when (separating) they are both very sensative to accusations of wrong-doing in a very private matter.

There is a connection between marriage and sex, to be sure. I would say, that marriage is the public face of it and sex the private part of it, and there is much more besides.

Marriage means whatever the partners to it agree that it means, not just what is written on the certificate or pronounced in vows. There are marriages very happy, and admired by friends and family, which produce no children and may not even involve any sex. I find it a bit strange that a couple who are so wholeheartedly committed to each other feel the need to publicly register a marriage, but I suppose it gives them both a simple and curt way to dismiss other suitors. They don't have to divulge anything about their private life with their partner, they can just say "I am happily married, so drop off".

Marriage is a well-understood and cheap contract. It's obscene that after many decades of supporting government incentives to marriage, making it easier and more attractive, that religious right-wingers now want to call in their debts and make it a greater obligation. If marrriage IS a religious institution, there are reams and reams of legislation which need to be repealed to restore the separation of church and state.

I had a point, but I seem to have forgotten it. Apologies for ranting at you!

[Pillea]

Considering playing with high grade explosives is illegal

But they are consenting so why shouldn't they be allowed to obtain explosives, or better yet how about if my brother asks for me to kill him and we both consent where is the line drawn?

Assisted suicide/homicide is also illegal.

Okay seriously what is the problem with this?
Mark and Jenny are two individuals, Mark is 23, Jenny is 26.
Mark and Jenny have sex sometimes. Some people even think they're dating.

See there's nothing wrong with that. For some bizarre reason, if Mark and Jenny are siblings, it becomes magically not okay?

[Fascist Worcestershire]

But they are consenting so why shouldn't they be allowed to obtain explosives, or better yet how about if my brother asks for me to kill him and we both consent where is the line drawn?

Assisted suicide/homicide is also illegal.

Okay seriously what is the problem with this?
Mark and Jenny are two individuals, Mark is 23, Jenny is 26.
Mark and Jenny have sex sometimes. Some people even think they're dating.

See there's nothing wrong with that. For some bizarre reason, if Mark and Jenny are siblings, it becomes magically not okay?

Ah but incest is also currently illegal why are you suddenly getting picky about which laws to fellow?
If they are siblings yes as it is genetically not meant to happen and if it does happen there is something wrong in the head.

[Pillea]

Not in the slightest

So what could possibly be your motives for taking up the incest cause?

With the tags in your sig I could probably guess... but I don't want to be mean though.

I'd love to hear your guess based on my sig. Like seriously, I don't know what you're going for with that.

And why do I have no issue with incest?
Because if it's consensual, it's not harming anyone, and it doesn't affect me so why would I care.

[Tsuntion]

No, because that harms their neighbours. Please explain how adults in a consensual relationship with each other harms other people.

It's incest, it's not meant to happen.

First, Does not make it harmful to the participants. Second, Still not harmful to others. Third, Source.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

theyv already let animals get married, theyre called gay people

*** Warned *** for the flamebait, albeit belatedly. Let's avoid crap like this in the thread, folks. Thank you.

[Fascist Worcestershire]

It's incest, it's not meant to happen.

First, Does not make it harmful to the participants. Second, Still not harmful to others. Third, Source.

I need a source for what should be common knowledge?
In the UK we have had a problem with Pakistanis marrying first and second cousins as the babies they produce are putting a strain on the NHS as they are born with a lot of defects now imagine that for siblings.

[Riders of State Road 417]

I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.

As far as I can tell, Liberals are pushing for more and more civil liberties (which isn't necessarily a good or bad thing) and eventually, this is going to come up. Years ago, inter racial marriages were unacceptable, and I'm sure gay marriage was just...unthinkable at the point. Now, we have inter racial marriage, and gay marriage is starting to rise in most of the world except for a few nations that are refusing to let go.

But what next? What about a man and his dog? Should they get married? Or what about a man and his son? Or a brother and sister? When is it too much? How far are people going to be allowed? What should be allowed? I'm personally undecided on the issue of what a marriage really means, but what do you guys think about sibling, inter special or other kinds of bizarre civil unions?

It won't happen because Marriage happens between parties that have the ability to consent in full recognition of the consequences. Most kids and all nonhumans on this planet lack that ability. This is ridiculous.
Now if a brother and his sister wanted to get married, they both consented and know fully the consequences, hopefully. Marriage should be between all dyads of consenting adults. If we're going for more than two, then things get complicated; personally I don't really think polygamy constitutes marriage, probably because of how marriage has been defined throughout my life.

[Eltharion]

No, because that harms their neighbours. Please explain how adults in a consensual relationship with each other harms other people.

It's incest, it's not meant to happen.

If one day the UCk is terrorist group and another they are freedom fighters...anything is possible.

[AiliailiA]

theyv already let animals get married, theyre called gay people

*** Warned *** for the flamebait, albeit belatedly. Let's avoid crap like this in the thread, folks. Thank you.

Only a warning, so no biggy. But people are animals

[Risottia]

It's called irony. Its understanding requires at least a Masters' in Physics and a specialization in quantum fields, so, never you mind. No hard feelings.

I'm sorry, I cannot speak Irony. I'm not fluent at any case. The government said that I don't have a proper permit so...

Down with the oppressive gub'mint! Second Amendment! FOOOOORT SUUUUMMMTEEEEEERRRR!!!!

[Gallifra]

I could care less what you marry

[Gauntleted Fist]

I'm sorry, I cannot speak Irony. I'm not fluent at any case. The government said that I don't have a proper permit so...

Down with the oppressive gub'mint! Second Amendment! FOOOOORT SUUUUMMMTEEEEEERRRR!!!!

No, but, you see, states rights and guns and those fags are messin' with my feelings and shit.

[Eltharion]

First, Does not make it harmful to the participants. Second, Still not harmful to others. Third, Source.

I need a source for what should be common knowledge?
In the UK we have had a problem with Pakistanis marrying first and second cousins as the babies they produce are putting a strain on the NHS as they are born with a lot of defects now imagine that for siblings.

Srry for saying that, but any reasonable person in UK is putting a strain on the NHS..

[Pillea]

Assisted suicide/homicide is also illegal.

Okay seriously what is the problem with this?
Mark and Jenny are two individuals, Mark is 23, Jenny is 26.
Mark and Jenny have sex sometimes. Some people even think they're dating.

See there's nothing wrong with that. For some bizarre reason, if Mark and Jenny are siblings, it becomes magically not okay?

Ah but incest is also currently illegal why are you suddenly getting picky about which laws to fellow?
If they are siblings yes as it is genetically not meant to happen and if it does happen there is something wrong in the head.

Because whether or not two legally consenting parties have sex is supposed to be none of the government's business remember
Killing folks and blowing up houses though.... that's something I'm pretty sure is the government's business.