God created the world in 7 days? or Big Bang?

[Samuraikoku]

God created the Big Bang.

Prove it.

[Ifreann]

I want somebody to explain this to me:

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

How could there be "day" and "night" in the complete absence of the Sun? God doesn't make the Sun until the fourth day.

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

There are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe, whereas the naked eye can only see around 6000 of these. The Bible is suggesting that these lights were created to give light to the Earth, but the overwhelming majority can't actually be seen, even with an advanced telescope.

Magic. God magic.

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Believe in the Big Bang (a notion first advanced by a scientist/Catholic priest) and believe in Evolution if you want to: just know that this too is an act of creation.

Co-opt the work of scientists to shore up your faith if you want, but don't expect it to convince anyone else of the correctness of your personal viewpoint.

[Terraius]

The way that the Jewish faith was taught was by allegory: both some that are literally true in a historical sense as well as some that are truer in a deeper sense. They used stories to illustrate a greater truth and to evoke greater understanding. If God is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient then surely He would not be limited by time or space, but rather all of His actions would be one perfect action; even until this day. Read the first chapter of Genesis and see the deeper message: God created the heavens and the earth, but even after the initial creation each piece is put in its place and life is made and ordered.
Believe in the Big Bang (a notion first advanced by a scientist/Catholic priest) and believe in Evolution if you want to: just know that this too is an act of creation.

Attempts to reason and present unoffensive and constructive diestic viewpoints are not welcome here. Shoo!

[Farnhamia]

The way that the Jewish faith was taught was by allegory: both some that are literally true in a historical sense as well as some that are truer in a deeper sense. They used stories to illustrate a greater truth and to evoke greater understanding. If God is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient then surely He would not be limited by time or space, but rather all of His actions would be one perfect action; even until this day. Read the first chapter of Genesis and see the deeper message: God created the heavens and the earth, but even after the initial creation each piece is put in its place and life is made and ordered.
Believe in the Big Bang (a notion first advanced by a scientist/Catholic priest) and believe in Evolution if you want to: just know that this too is an act of creation.

Or Genesis could be just another ancient creation myth. The Greeks had theirs, the Sumerians theirs, the Native Americans theirs. There is nothing inherent in Genesis that makes it more valid than any of the others save that people who accept it as true took over the Roman Empire.

[Samuraikoku]

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/43101/the-big-bang-theory-is-wrong/
http://www.nature.com/news/higgs-data-c ... ry-1.12804
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/02/ ... ng-theory/
+ any intelligent person.

Neither of that implies God has to be the alternative. Try again.

[Meritocratic States]

Is this one of those "creationism vs. science" threads again?

Summer's a bit early, isn't it?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I want somebody to explain this to me:



How could there be "day" and "night" in the complete absence of the Sun? God doesn't make the Sun until the fourth day.


There are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe, whereas the naked eye can only see around 6000 of these. The Bible is suggesting that these lights were created to give light to the Earth, but the overwhelming majority can't actually be seen, even with an advanced telescope.

Magic. God magic.

You're right. Silly me.

[Alimprad]

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/43101/the-big-bang-theory-is-wrong/
http://www.nature.com/news/higgs-data-c ... ry-1.12804
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/02/ ... ng-theory/
+ any intelligent person.

Neither of that implies God has to be the alternative. Try again.

if you can point out to me where in my post I said god did it Ill except defeat

[Samuraikoku]

if you can point out to me where in my post I said god did it Ill except defeat

actually the big bang theory has already been proved wrong, all ill say is at least the 7 days stood the test of time longer than 7 days

I'm expecting your admission.

[Farnhamia]

Sources, please?

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/43 ... -is-wrong/
http://www.nature.com/news/higgs-data-c ... ry-1.12804
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/02/ ... ng-theory/
+ any intelligent person.

The last one seems to rely on the work of Halton Arp, a critic of the Big Bang theory. Arp did his work in the 1960s, and since then we have much better telescopes and tons more data, so it's not certain that he's correct. But that's how science works, by gathering data and constantly re-examining theories in light of the new data. New data and criticism of the theory does not mean "God did it."

Oh, and the Weekly World News freely admits that they make stuff up.

[Helito]

I suppose the religious among us can believe whatever they want.

Science (or you can call it the natural universe) doesn't care. It doesn't care if you believe god's this, or that, and so forth. The universe lives on without the ramblings of the hundreds of religions on this single planet in a corner of the Milky Way. You will live your life by science regardless. Choose not to believe scientific research if you want, but at the end of the day your life will remain the same. Choose to believe a mythological character created the world in 7 days, the universe doesn't give a crap about your opinion.

[Alimprad]

if you can point out to me where in my post I said god did it Ill except defeat

actually the big bang theory has already been proved wrong, all ill say is at least the 7 days stood the test of time longer than 7 days

I'm expecting your admission.

I didn't say I believed it, I just said its stood the test of time longer, which is fact

[Farnhamia]

I'm expecting your admission.

I didn't say I believed it, I just said its stood the test of time longer, which is fact

So what do you think created the universe?

[Samuraikoku]

I didn't say I believed it, I just said its stood the test of time longer, which is fact

I'll take that as a TKO.

[New Event Horizon]

I want somebody to explain this to me:

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

How could there be "day" and "night" in the complete absence of the Sun? God doesn't make the Sun until the fourth day.

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

There are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe, whereas the naked eye can only see around 6000 of these. The Bible is suggesting that these lights were created to give light to the Earth, but the overwhelming majority can't actually be seen, even with an advanced telescope.

That was my argument. Kind of putting the cart before the horse there. Furthermore, many cultures were able to come to the conclusion that the sun was a light source. This is assuming that the massive ball of fire in the sky and the light that happens to move along with the sun are two separate entities. Once again, this is putting the photons before the fusion reaction.

[Alimprad]

I suppose the religious among us can believe whatever they want.

Science (or you can call it the natural universe) doesn't care. It doesn't care if you believe god's this, or that, and so forth. The universe lives on without the ramblings of the hundreds of religions on this single planet in a corner of the Milky Way. You will live your life by science regardless. Choose not to believe scientific research if you want, but at the end of the day your life will remain the same. Choose to believe a mythological character created the world in 7 days, the universe doesn't give a crap about your opinion.

why wasn't this the first post?

[Alimprad]

I didn't say I believed it, I just said its stood the test of time longer, which is fact

I'll take that as a TKO.

take it for what you want

the universe doesn't give a crap about your opinion.

[Nidaria]

It is not "either or." For an almighty being like God, billions of years probably seem like mere days to Him, and He is capable of building the universe however He wants.

[Anachronous Rex]

It is not "either or." For an almighty being like God, billions of years probably seem like mere days to Him, and He is capable of building the universe however He wants.

"You see, when you're omnipotent, words don't mean what they mean anymore, so your holy books can say anything and still have it be true, somehow."

[Nidaria]

God created the Big Bang.

Prove it.

Prove that the universe could exist without God.

[Great Nepal]

It violates the first law of thermodynamics

Because quantum physics supersedes first law of thermodynamics and it states uncertainty principle allows violation of conservation of energy for short period of time.

Some critics say that the formation of stars and galaxies violates the law of entropy, which suggests systems of change become less organized over time. But if you view the early universe as completely homogeneous and isotropic, then the current universe shows signs of obeying the law of entropy.

Nothingness is absolute organisation.

Some astrophysicists and cosmologists argue that scientists have misinterpreted evidence like the redshift of celestial bodies and the cosmic microwave background radiation. Some cite the absence of exotic cosmic bodies that should have been the product of the big bang according to the theory.The early inflationary period of the big bang appears to violate the rule that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Proponents have a few different responses to this criticism. One is that at the start of the big bang, the theory of relativity didn't apply. As a result, there was no issue with traveling faster than the speed of light. Another related response is that space itself can expand faster than the speed of light, as space falls outside the domain of the theory of gravity.

Yes, we cant explain everything at the minute and it may need to be revised or added but, thats science.

[Great Nepal]

It is not "either or." For an almighty being like God, billions of years probably seem like mere days to Him, and He is capable of building the universe however He wants.

So, God is malevolent.

[Anachronous Rex]

Prove it.

Prove that the universe could exist without God.

Ooh, I like this game.

Prove that a universe could exist with god.

Checkmate theist.

[Samuraikoku]

Prove that the universe could exist without God.

It exists. We don't know if God did it.

Russell's Teapot.

There you go.

[Nidaria]

It is not "either or." For an almighty being like God, billions of years probably seem like mere days to Him, and He is capable of building the universe however He wants.

"You see, when you're omnipotent, words don't mean what they mean anymore, so your holy books can say anything and still have it be true, somehow."

It is called a metaphor. The Bible does not have to be taken word-for-word literally, but it is still true. God did not actually write it Himself, he inspired ancient writers to write it for Him. Although it is the Word of God, the authors used their own literary styles.