God created the world in 7 days? or Big Bang?

[The Lost Souls]

Hope for me.

Hope for what?

Just hope I'll see my dad again. How about we just end this before it turns into something bigger straying away from the question of this thread.

[Farnhamia]

Hope for what?

That a mythical sapient creature floats in the sky with his wand.

I don't believe the Judeo-Christian god uses a wand. And it's not hope for the deity, it's hope for help from the deity.

[Samuraikoku]

Just hope I'll see my dad again.

That's understandable and okay to believe, even if I don't agree with your belief and think it's incorrect.

But then, how does this relate to the creation of the Universe?

[Nova Imperius]

I'm highly skeptical to both, especially the 7 days version, however the big bang doesn't hold a great deal of reason behind it. Most big bang believers claim that a point of energy simply exploded and all the ingredients to the universe were there. That could explain the creation of the actual material content of the universe, however it doesn't explain how reality began, what started time, what created that point of energy that would have no space to exist in an existence without reality. Could someone tell me how the energy came into existence, and how the reality it needed in order to exist came about?

[New Rogernomics]

I created the universe, was reincarnated as a human and can't remember anything. *starts cult*

[The Lost Souls]

Just hope I'll see my dad again.

That's understandable and okay to believe, even if I don't agree with your belief and think it's incorrect.

But then, how does this relate to the creation of the Universe?

Like I said, let's end talking about this. It is straying away from the thread.

[Immoren]

So you believe in science, but with god added on. What does god add to that equation?

Hope for me.

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
-Imperial proverb

[Samuraikoku]

Like I said, let's end talking about this. It is straying away from the thread.

Hence my question.

But then, how does this relate to the creation of the Universe?

[Ifreann]

I'm highly skeptical to both, especially the 7 days version, however the big bang doesn't hold a great deal of reason behind it. Most big bang believers claim that a point of energy simply exploded and all the ingredients to the universe were there. That could explain the creation of the actual material content of the universe, however it doesn't explain how reality began, what started time, what created that point of energy that would have no space to exist in an existence without reality. Could someone tell me how the energy came into existence, and how the reality it needed in order to exist came about?

A wizard did it.

[Alimprad]

actually the big bang theory has already been proved wrong, all ill say is at least the 7 days stood the test of time longer than 7 days

Yes yes, very funny. Would you care to elaborate on the claim in your post that matters here -- that is, that the theory of the big bang has been proven wrong? Your answer to that will probably be no, but it's worth a try. I am genuinely interested in the finding something that disproves that theory.

well Im not joking, I can tell from the fact that your surprised by this that you dont know much about science, the big bang theory was flawed right from the start, it didnt answer the question of how the universe began (wich is what it what it was supposed to do) and a massive explosion doesnt just happen out of nothing, the theory was made by a priest anyway but was based on the soul fact that the universe is expanding.
Just recently the final proof was found to completely discredit the big bang, it has been discovered that the universe is actually much older than was thought, suddenly the big bang doesnt add up any more.

I'm highly skeptical to both, especially the 7 days version, however the big bang doesn't hold a great deal of reason behind it. Most big bang believers claim that a point of energy simply exploded and all the ingredients to the universe were there. That could explain the creation of the actual material content of the universe, however it doesn't explain how reality began, what started time, what created that point of energy that would have no space to exist in an existence without reality. Could someone tell me how the energy came into existence, and how the reality it needed in order to exist came about?

i guess this pretty much answers you to.

[Samuraikoku]

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
-Imperial proverb

And that's what Warhammer is for. Pay attention before banning me, mods.

[Farnhamia]

Yes yes, very funny. Would you care to elaborate on the claim in your post that matters here -- that is, that the theory of the big bang has been proven wrong? Your answer to that will probably be no, but it's worth a try. I am genuinely interested in the finding something that disproves that theory.

well Im not joking, I can tell from the fact that your surprised by this that you dont know much about science, the big bang theory was flawed right from the start, it didnt answer the question of how the universe began (wich is what it what it was supposed to do) and a massive explosion doesnt just happen out of nothing, the theory was made by a priest anyway but was based on the soul fact that the universe is expanding.
Just recently the final proof was found to completely discredit the big bang, it has been discovered that the universe is actually much older than was thought, suddenly the big bang doesnt add up any more.

Sources, please?

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

What's more unbelievable: a spec of matter suddenly exploded for seemingly no reason and created everything ever?

Or intelligent design?

Of those two choices the most unbelievable is 'intelligent design/Creationism'.

I don't think the first option is the actual explanation though - rather a Christianized (another word for simplified and misunderstood) version of the actual explanation.

[Samuraikoku]

What's more unbelievable: a spec of matter suddenly exploded for seemingly no reason and created everything ever?

Or intelligent design?

The latter.

[Terraius]

So you believe in science, but with god added on. What does god add to that equation?

Hope for me.

Incase it isnt blatantly obvious, the usual General forum-dwellers are more content to circlejerk to eachother's passive aggressive beriddlements of anything they perceive to be associated with God rather than actually trying to hear someone out. Attempts to engage in constructive dialogue is utterly, utterly futile.

If you still feel the need to reply, then do what any other sane person in a useless situation like this would do and blurt out random things that may or may not have to do with the subject at hand.

Diadem spectrometer.

Indeed.

[Farnhamia]

What's more unbelievable: a spec of matter suddenly exploded for seemingly no reason and created everything ever?

Or intelligent design?

The former.

The Big Bang is more unbelievable?

[Samuraikoku]

The latter.

The Big Bang is more unbelievable?

Ah. Read "believable" there.

Happens when multi-tasking.

[Farnhamia]

Hope for me.

Incase it isnt blatantly obvious, the usual General forum-dwellers are more content to circlejerk to eachother's passive aggressive beriddlements of anything they perceive to be associated with God rather than actually trying to hear someone out. Attempts to engage in constructive dialogue is utterly, utterly futile.

If you still feel the need to reply, then do what any other sane person in a useless situation like this would do and blurt out random things that may or may not have to do with the subject at hand.

Diadem spectrometer.

Indeed.

Believe what you like, for whatever reason you like, only, please, don't insult us both by claiming that religion trumps science as an explanation for the world.

[Terraius]

Incase it isnt blatantly obvious, the usual General forum-dwellers are more content to circlejerk to eachother's passive aggressive beriddlements of anything they perceive to be associated with God rather than actually trying to hear someone out. Attempts to engage in constructive dialogue is utterly, utterly futile.

If you still feel the need to reply, then do what any other sane person in a useless situation like this would do and blurt out random things that may or may not have to do with the subject at hand.

Diadem spectrometer.

Indeed.

Believe what you like, for whatever reason you like, only, please, don't insult us both by claiming that religion trumps science as an explanation for the world.

I must have hit my head, because I cannot for the life of me remember where exactly I said that religion trumps science as an explanation for the world.

In any case, I apologize for my memory loss and recant any such claims.

[Farnhamia]

Believe what you like, for whatever reason you like, only, please, don't insult us both by claiming that religion trumps science as an explanation for the world.

I must have hit my head, because I cannot for the life of me remember where exactly I said that religion trumps science as an explanation for the world.

In any case, I apologize for my memory loss and recant any such claims.

No, no, my apologies for implying that you personally said that.

[Caritas en Veritate]

The way that the Jewish faith was taught was by allegory: both some that are literally true in a historical sense as well as some that are truer in a deeper sense. They used stories to illustrate a greater truth and to evoke greater understanding. If God is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient then surely He would not be limited by time or space, but rather all of His actions would be one perfect action; even until this day. Read the first chapter of Genesis and see the deeper message: God created the heavens and the earth, but even after the initial creation each piece is put in its place and life is made and ordered.
Believe in the Big Bang (a notion first advanced by a scientist/Catholic priest) and believe in Evolution if you want to: just know that this too is an act of creation.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I want somebody to explain this to me:

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

How could there be "day" and "night" in the complete absence of the Sun? God doesn't make the Sun until the fourth day.

And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

There are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the Universe, whereas the naked eye can only see around 6000 of these. The Bible is suggesting that these lights were created to give light to the Earth, but the overwhelming majority can't actually be seen, even with an advanced telescope.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

God created the Big Bang.

[Jessjohnesik]

God created the Big Bang.

Prove your absurd statement.

[Alimprad]

well Im not joking, I can tell from the fact that your surprised by this that you dont know much about science, the big bang theory was flawed right from the start, it didnt answer the question of how the universe began (wich is what it what it was supposed to do) and a massive explosion doesnt just happen out of nothing, the theory was made by a priest anyway but was based on the soul fact that the universe is expanding.
Just recently the final proof was found to completely discredit the big bang, it has been discovered that the universe is actually much older than was thought, suddenly the big bang doesnt add up any more.

Sources, please?

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/43 ... -is-wrong/
http://www.nature.com/news/higgs-data-c ... ry-1.12804
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/02/ ... ng-theory/
+ any intelligent person.