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7 days or Big Bang?

God created the world on 7 days
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18%
The bigbang created the world
462
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I am open to various hypothesis
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Total votes : 777

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How life is & what will happen!! / Love & Respect

Postby Most Wanted » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:48 am

It feels good to live in this world even though its violent and dangerous - we still search for peace in our life. All the wars and disrespect and violence is getting out of hand. You either have to live a positive life and stay holy or live a bad life and be evil. We don't have much time - so we have to get our life right as soon as we can. When we die, we will either live for eternal life peacefully in Heaven or suffer with torment in fire. So love as much as you can.
Even relationships are getting out of hand, you just have to learn when build a relationship, that you need to realize Love is a brick and respect is cement. Keep building it up no matter what & keep living positive in the cruel world no matter what. :) :clap: :hug:
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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:49 am

Tyriece wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And those religious explanations come down to "God used the [insert scientific theory of choice] to create the universe" and then topple into the Chasm of Fail. If a scientific theory explains something adequately, adding God to it in reality adds nothing, except perhaps some comfort to a person who is uncomfortable with a universe that does not know who he is or care.


You do realize that there is more then just 1 or 2 religions in the world right? What about religions were there is no gods or gods are not important like Buddhism? When it comes down to it, religions are just philosophical ideas that groups of people share. I would advise you do some research on just what religions are out there.

Don't forget Taoism, Shintoism and in some interpretations even Hinduism and Jainism.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:49 am

Farnhamia wrote:Did I say that all religions do that? No, I said that those religious explanations that use the scientific method to try to explain things always seem to come down to "God did it using science."


Which tells a lot about their supposed faith. At least Urban VIII had conviction to oppose Galileo.

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Postby Surfistan » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:49 am

Khadgar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Okay, but besides that?


Solipsism.

Imagine that, a guy sitting in a room thinking he created the entire universe. Wow.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:49 am

Most Wanted wrote:It feels good to live in this world even though its violent and dangerous - we still search for peace in our life. All the wars and disrespect and violence is getting out of hand. You either have to live a positive life and stay holy or live a bad life and be evil. We don't have much time - so we have to get our life right as soon as we can. When we die, we will either live for eternal life peacefully in Heaven or suffer with torment in fire. So love as much as you can.
Even relationships are getting out of hand, you just have to learn when build a relationship, that you need to realize Love is a brick and respect is cement. Keep building it up no matter what & keep living positive in the cruel world no matter what. :) :clap: :hug:

That's nice. What does this have to do with the subject?
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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:50 am

Most Wanted wrote:It feels good to live in this world even though its violent and dangerous - we still search for peace in our life. All the wars and disrespect and violence is getting out of hand. You either have to live a positive life and stay holy or live a bad life and be evil. We don't have much time - so we have to get our life right as soon as we can. When we die, we will either live for eternal life peacefully in Heaven or suffer with torment in fire. So love as much as you can.
Even relationships are getting out of hand, you just have to learn when build a relationship, that you need to realize Love is a brick and respect is cement. Keep building it up no matter what & keep living positive in the cruel world no matter what. :) :clap: :hug:

Heaven doesn't exist, neither does Hell.
Your post is just none sense.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:51 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Did I say that all religions do that? No, I said that those religious explanations that use the scientific method to try to explain things always seem to come down to "God did it using science."


Which tells a lot about their supposed faith. At least Urban VIII had conviction to oppose Galileo.


I think it was more than he had no real choice. They were friends you know.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:51 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Did I say that all religions do that? No, I said that those religious explanations that use the scientific method to try to explain things always seem to come down to "God did it using science."


Which tells a lot about their supposed faith. At least Urban VIII had conviction to oppose Galileo.

True.
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Postby The Lost Souls » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:52 am

I believe in both. Seven days might have been millions of years and God could have used evolution in some ways to make us and the world. So the Big Bang could have been made by him. That is my idea anyway.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:52 am

Khadgar wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Which tells a lot about their supposed faith. At least Urban VIII had conviction to oppose Galileo.


I think it was more than he had no real choice. They were friends you know.

So were Henry II and Becket. Changes in station are hell on friendships.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:52 am

Khadgar wrote:I think it was more than he had no real choice. They were friends you know.


When he opposed, he didn't say "okay, but science and God!". He said "BUT GOD!"

That's my point.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:53 am

The Lost Souls wrote:I believe in both. Seven days might have been millions of years and God could have used evolution in some ways to make us and the world. So the Big Bang could have been made by him. That is my idea anyway.

Why is god a 'he'?
Yes, let's start with that.
Also, prove 'he' exists.
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Postby The Lost Souls » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:55 am

Jessjohnesik wrote:
The Lost Souls wrote:I believe in both. Seven days might have been millions of years and God could have used evolution in some ways to make us and the world. So the Big Bang could have been made by him. That is my idea anyway.

Why is god a 'he'?
Yes, let's start with that.
Also, prove 'he' exists.


I don't know if God is a he, it came out that way. I just believe that he is there and aren't alone.

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Postby Most Wanted » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:55 am

The world has its own belief but atleast expect something great and marvelous to happen - Treat everyone right & live positive thats all.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:57 am

The Lost Souls wrote:
Jessjohnesik wrote:Why is god a 'he'?
Yes, let's start with that.
Also, prove 'he' exists.


I don't know if God is a he, it came out that way. I just believe that he is there and aren't alone.

So, you have no proof and all you have is blind faith?
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Postby The Lost Souls » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:58 am

Jessjohnesik wrote:
The Lost Souls wrote:
I don't know if God is a he, it came out that way. I just believe that he is there and aren't alone.

So, you have no proof and all you have is blind faith?


Yep, basically. I'm not hurting anyone by believing. I just like having some hope that there is God. You live life and help people when you can.

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Postby Khadgar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:59 am

The Lost Souls wrote:I believe in both. Seven days might have been millions of years and God could have used evolution in some ways to make us and the world. So the Big Bang could have been made by him. That is my idea anyway.


So you believe in science, but with god added on. What does god add to that equation?

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Postby The Lost Souls » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:00 am

Khadgar wrote:
The Lost Souls wrote:I believe in both. Seven days might have been millions of years and God could have used evolution in some ways to make us and the world. So the Big Bang could have been made by him. That is my idea anyway.


So you believe in science, but with god added on. What does god add to that equation?


Hope for me.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:01 am

Khadgar wrote:
The Lost Souls wrote:I believe in both. Seven days might have been millions of years and God could have used evolution in some ways to make us and the world. So the Big Bang could have been made by him. That is my idea anyway.


So you believe in science, but with god added on. What does god add to that equation?

A sense of satisfaction that comes from imagining your religion as being the right one.

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:01 am

The Lost Souls wrote:
Jessjohnesik wrote:So, you have no proof and all you have is blind faith?


Yep, basically. I'm not hurting anyone by believing. I just like having some hope that there is God. You live life and help people when you can.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:01 am

The Lost Souls wrote:Hope for me.


Hope for what?

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Postby Jessjohnesik » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:02 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Lost Souls wrote:Hope for me.


Hope for what?

That a mythical sapient creature floats in the sky with his wand.
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Postby Khadgar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:03 am

The Lost Souls wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
So you believe in science, but with god added on. What does god add to that equation?


Hope for me.


Hope for what? That the universe was created by the most hilariously inefficient sociopath ever?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:03 am

Jessjohnesik wrote:That a mythical sapient creature floats in the sky with his wand.


My question aims at other angle. What hope can you get from God supposedly existing?

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