God created the world in 7 days? or Big Bang?

[Immoren]

Are you sure the Bible said it was 7 earth days?

Reading bible like the Devil reads it.

[Tsuntion]

I mean seriously are all you people atheist I am very religious and i believe that god created the world in 7 days.

Lots and lots of religious people do not believe that the world was created in seven days. Many Christians/people of Abrahamic religions who have the book of Genesis, and those of other religions too.

What's more unbelievable: a spec of matter suddenly exploded for seemingly no reason and created everything ever?

Or intelligent design?

I think the latter, though the first option is mischaracterised in an attempt to make me choose it (or because you don't know otherwise, which is okay -- please go read something good on the topic, then).

[Farnhamia]

As I said, we can't fully understand his will.

remember, he gave us nice things like dogs (most are nice), rabbits, and orange trees. Many of the things he made are great and useful. We owe our lives to him.

I don't know why these people are still discussing this with you. All they need to do is take a quick look at your nation's motto “Prosperity through rewarding ability and reason” and know you are just fucking with them, lol.

I owe my life to no supernatural being.

[Surfistan]

The Universe is far older than 14,7 billion years and was created by the Big Bang.

[Person012345]

What's more unbelievable: a spec of matter suddenly exploded for seemingly no reason and created everything ever?

Or intelligent design?

Intelligent design. By far. The Big bang theory is even more believable (since that's not what it says) because it actually has EVIDENCE. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. Observable indicators that correlate with the idea. Intelligent design has MY BOOK SAID SO to support it.

[Parhe]

The Universe is far older than 14,7 billion years and was created throught the Big Bang.

But how can people be so sure of that? I reject creationism and I lean towards the Big Bang but I am open to other theories that may come up with current and/or future evidence.

[Helito]

Here comes the religious involving the OR argument.

The Big Bang theory is not perfect. Our knowledge of the universe is not perfect. It is expanding, and our theories will improve over time.

Intelligent Design, and the "God-Made-Everything" theory have NO SCRAP of anything to support them. Realistic theories being imperfect, such as the Big Bang theory does not grant any credibility to these religious theories.

But is there no evidence for anything besides the Big Bang? I mean it isn't perfect like you said so there must be some scientific evidence for other beginnigs. Though the poll suggests otherwise with most people here not open to otger ways. I basically was just wondering if there are any other theories with any evidence.

Yeah as was quoted earlier
Drane wrote:
To everyone who claims there was "nothing" before the big bang, you have absolutely no proof of that. As a matter of fact, we have no proof of any theory on the topic, because we still can't even explain what caused the big bang in the first place. There are dozens of theory out there, ranging from "our universe was created by two colliding universes" (multiverse theory) to "the universe was first one giant superstring" (string theory).

[Tlaceceyaya]

The Universe is far older than 14,7 billion years

Why do you say that?

[Coenston]

What makes this thread more complicated is when you mix it up with Zechariah Sitchin 12th Planet theory.

[Person012345]

But at least your "speck of matter" theory doesn't posit supernatural explanations (for which there is absolutely diddly squat evidence) and is most likely consistent with the evidence we do have.

[Parhe]

But is there no evidence for anything besides the Big Bang? I mean it isn't perfect like you said so there must be some scientific evidence for other beginnigs. Though the poll suggests otherwise with most people here not open to otger ways. I basically was just wondering if there are any other theories with any evidence.

Yeah as was quoted earlier
Drane wrote:
To everyone who claims there was "nothing" before the big bang, you have absolutely no proof of that. As a matter of fact, we have no proof of any theory on the topic, because we still can't even explain what caused the big bang in the first place. There are dozens of theory out there, ranging from "our universe was created by two colliding universes" (multiverse theory) to "the universe was first one giant superstring" (string theory).

I am sorry then i was under the belief there was proof or evidence for the Big Bang. Though I was not sure if there was any evidence for any other theory, though, based off the quote you made, I guess there is not.

[Person012345]

Yeah as was quoted earlier
Drane wrote:
To everyone who claims there was "nothing" before the big bang, you have absolutely no proof of that. As a matter of fact, we have no proof of any theory on the topic, because we still can't even explain what caused the big bang in the first place. There are dozens of theory out there, ranging from "our universe was created by two colliding universes" (multiverse theory) to "the universe was first one giant superstring" (string theory).

I am sorry then i was under the belief there was proof or evidence for the Big Bang. Though I was not sure if there was any evidence for any other theory, though, based off the quote you made, I guess there is not.

There is evidence of the big bang, don't listen to stupid people.

[Czechanada]

The creation of the universe was summarized in the Christian Discussion Thread II.

Nicki Minaj is God.

Exactly. Only God could have that big of an ass.

So every time she shakes her ass she creates a new universe?

[Khadgar]

Yeah as was quoted earlier
Drane wrote:
To everyone who claims there was "nothing" before the big bang, you have absolutely no proof of that. As a matter of fact, we have no proof of any theory on the topic, because we still can't even explain what caused the big bang in the first place. There are dozens of theory out there, ranging from "our universe was created by two colliding universes" (multiverse theory) to "the universe was first one giant superstring" (string theory).

I am sorry then i was under the belief there was proof or evidence for the Big Bang. Though I was not sure if there was any evidence for any other theory, though, based off the quote you made, I guess there is not.

Uh, no. There's masses of evidence for the big bang. Here's the problem with figuring out what caused it. Time didn't exist yet. We literally can't prove what happened before because near as we can tell, there was no before.

[Tsuntion]

Yeah as was quoted earlier
Drane wrote:
To everyone who claims there was "nothing" before the big bang, you have absolutely no proof of that. As a matter of fact, we have no proof of any theory on the topic, because we still can't even explain what caused the big bang in the first place. There are dozens of theory out there, ranging from "our universe was created by two colliding universes" (multiverse theory) to "the universe was first one giant superstring" (string theory).

I am sorry then i was under the belief there was proof or evidence for the Big Bang. Though I was not sure if there was any evidence for any other theory, though, based off the quote you made, I guess there is not.

There is evidence for the Big Bang, e.g. cosmic microwave background radiation and the expansion of the universe. What did or did not come before it, if there was a before, is another question.

[Parhe]

I am sorry then i was under the belief there was proof or evidence for the Big Bang. Though I was not sure if there was any evidence for any other theory, though, based off the quote you made, I guess there is not.

There is evidence of the big bang, don't listen to stupid people.

Then I am condused by Helito's quote response to my question...

[Surfistan]

The Universe is far older than 14,7 billion years

Why do you say that?

Whoops, sorry, 13,80+-billion years, but I think as technology progresses we can add some numbers to that.

[Person012345]

I am sorry then i was under the belief there was proof or evidence for the Big Bang. Though I was not sure if there was any evidence for any other theory, though, based off the quote you made, I guess there is not.

Uh, no. There's masses of evidence for the big bang. Here's the problem with figuring out what caused it. Time didn't exist yet. We literally can't prove what happened before because near as we can tell, there was no before.

We don't know exactly what the universe was like at the initial moments of the big bang. You can't say categorically there was no time afaik. Although it seems likely to me.

[Great Nepal]

I am Christian but I have disagreed with parts of the Bible which means I am not a perfect Christian. My views of God also differ in some ways.

So, most orthodox definition of abrahamic religion are wrong.

I view him as a tough father who is not afraid to challenge us (with things like cancer, evil creatures like ticks/mosquitos, smallpox, etc.). I don't believe he can see the future but I believe he can and does CHANGE our future when he wishes (by cancer, disasters, disease, etc.). I believe he gave us free will and sees how we will respond to his challenges. The story of Job is the best example of this. Also, why did he test Abraham if he knows everything? The test is pointless if God knew Abraham was 100% loyal and obedient.
Yeah, God likely made the world harsh in some places to challenge us and make sure we are not spoiled. I said he could do better BUT he likely purposely made life harder than needed (ex. making the oceans salty instead of fresh).

Or, he could wave his finger and ensure that... being all powerful and shit. Not doing so, means he is malevolent and giant dick.

[Person012345]

There is evidence of the big bang, don't listen to stupid people.

Then I am condused by Helito's quote response to my question...

Generally the thought process behind believing that the big bang has no evidence is "Big bang doesn't agree with my bible therefore there is absolutely no evidence of it tralalalala I can't hear you". Occasionally people are just misinformed and can be corrected though.

[Helito]

There is evidence of the big bang, don't listen to stupid people.

Then I am condused by Helito's quote response to my question...

There IS varying levels of evidence and proof FOR the big bang, but nothing is concrete.

[Khadgar]

Uh, no. There's masses of evidence for the big bang. Here's the problem with figuring out what caused it. Time didn't exist yet. We literally can't prove what happened before because near as we can tell, there was no before.

We don't know exactly what the universe was like at the initial moments of the big bang. You can't say categorically there was no time afaik. Although it seems likely to me.

Time is an integral part of space (apparently), space wasn't created until the big bang.

I think. Honestly this shit gives me a headache. Now the question is was there already a universe here before ours appeared. If so we might have displaced it and it would have had it's own space and time.

[Person012345]

So, it can not be any gods from abrahamic religions at very least, since they all (to my knowledge) claim God to be omniscient.


We aren't talking about genius. We are talking about omnipotent and omniscient being (atleast for abrahamic religions). If you know everything there is to know and can do everything there is to do, then you should do damn perfect job.

I am Christian but I have disagreed with parts of the Bible which means I am not a perfect Christian. My views of God also differ in some ways. I view him as a tough father who is not afraid to challenge us (with things like cancer, evil creatures like ticks/mosquitos, smallpox, etc.). I don't believe he can see the future but I believe he can and does CHANGE our future when he wishes (by cancer, disasters, disease, etc.). I believe he gave us free will and sees how we will respond to his challenges. The story of Job is the best example of this. Also, why did he test Abraham if he knows everything? The test is pointless if God knew Abraham was 100% loyal and obedient.

Yeah, God likely made the world harsh in some places to challenge us and make sure we are not spoiled. I said he could do better BUT he likely purposely made life harder than needed (ex. making the oceans salty instead of fresh).

Yeah. I know if my son failed to worship me and kiss my ass every day and follow my entirely insane, inhumane and arbitrary rules, I would fucking give him cancer too the son of a bitch. Then I'd send him to an eternity of torture because fuck him.

No wait, that would make me a psychopath.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

Big Bang and you have to be realy stupid to believe the world is only 6000 years old.

[Person012345]

We don't know exactly what the universe was like at the initial moments of the big bang. You can't say categorically there was no time afaik. Although it seems likely to me.

Time is an integral part of space (apparently), space wasn't created until the big bang.

I think. Honestly this shit gives me a headache. Now the question is was there already a universe here before ours appeared. If so we might have displaced it and it would have had it's own space and time.

Wellll, it depends. We just don't know what the universe was like at the initial moment of the big bang. It's pretty much best to leave it there. We don't know. We have top men working on it.

Of course that doesn't give us licence to pull a different explanation we don't know out of our asses.