God created the world in 7 days? or Big Bang?

[Frisivisia]

God created the World through Big Bang.

[citation needed]

[Immoren]

God created the World through Big Bang.

Who did he bang to create this mess?

[Blouman Empire]

God created the World through Big Bang.

Who did he bang to create this mess?

Your mum

[Drane]

God created the World through Big Bang.

Who did he bang to create this mess?

Hehe... who did he bang... innuendos...

[Frisivisia]

Who did he bang to create this mess?

Hehe... who did he bang... innuendos...

In YOUR endo. Heh heh.

[Tsuntion]

Here's an idea:

God created the Big Bang, which created the world in 7 days.

There, no everyone's happy.

I'm more unhappy with that than with most other hypotheses.

:ugeek: The "Seven Day" Theory is often regarded by Biblical Scholars and Theists as being an inaccurate term. Original texts do not have a very literal meaning of "day," the best we can find merely means "set period of time." Actual timeframe of this "set period of time," is either unknown or very vague. Someone, somewhere along the line, just picked the word "day" because it was what seemed accurate at the time.

In truth, it could have seven-million, billion, or trillion years. Without anything to truly judge time by, it matters little what scale you perform things on.

The seven time periods can't have even been the same length, though, and they're rather poor as divisions of the formation of our universe.

The most educated biblical scholars make allotments for new facts, like true scientists - and laugh in the face of people who just make up theories for their own benefit, like true scientists...

So, they laugh in the face of those who consider an old book to have any authority on these matters, and think it's silly that people make up hypotheses based on it?

And what's with this term "true scientist"?

... And like true scientists, many hold the "We weren't there to see it, so we'll never really know until someone that was there tells us."

We can figure out likely possibilities. It is a shame that we don't know of anyone who was there and can give us a reliable account, though, yeah.

[Coenston]

I would still like to believe that the world was created by God. How he did it was according to the Bible.

Scientifically, yes I think the big bang and Darwin's theory make logical sense. Although there were no accounts that support the Torah (Old Testament) in a form of manuscripts plus the fact that the great flood, not sure if Noah did kept a copy of the world creation, I am contented with my beliefs.

[Azurand]

God created the World through Big Bang.

Who did he bang to create this mess?

Er..nonexistence, I assume

[Coenston]

Volume of cosmic gas, death of a star, it depends on what area you ask.

[Freiheit Reich]

I honestly don't know if he can tell the future (many say he can). I really don't believe this though. He can guess better than us due to knowing what is going on everywhere but I don't think he knows 100%, it would be boring for him if he knew everything.

So, it can not be any gods from abrahamic religions at very least, since they all (to my knowledge) claim God to be omniscient.

Ideas take time for all geniuses, I assume Monet took more than 2 minutes to paint his pictures and Beethoven probably took many minutes to create his symphonies. Give God a break, he created the world and has power but it takes time.

We aren't talking about genius. We are talking about omnipotent and omniscient being (atleast for abrahamic religions). If you know everything there is to know and can do everything there is to do, then you should do damn perfect job.

I am Christian but I have disagreed with parts of the Bible which means I am not a perfect Christian. My views of God also differ in some ways. I view him as a tough father who is not afraid to challenge us (with things like cancer, evil creatures like ticks/mosquitos, smallpox, etc.). I don't believe he can see the future but I believe he can and does CHANGE our future when he wishes (by cancer, disasters, disease, etc.). I believe he gave us free will and sees how we will respond to his challenges. The story of Job is the best example of this. Also, why did he test Abraham if he knows everything? The test is pointless if God knew Abraham was 100% loyal and obedient.

Yeah, God likely made the world harsh in some places to challenge us and make sure we are not spoiled. I said he could do better BUT he likely purposely made life harder than needed (ex. making the oceans salty instead of fresh).

[Frisivisia]

So, it can not be any gods from abrahamic religions at very least, since they all (to my knowledge) claim God to be omniscient.


We aren't talking about genius. We are talking about omnipotent and omniscient being (atleast for abrahamic religions). If you know everything there is to know and can do everything there is to do, then you should do damn perfect job.

I am Christian but I have disagreed with parts of the Bible which means I am not a perfect Christian. My views of God also differ in some ways. I view him as a tough father who is not afraid to challenge us (with things like cancer, evil creatures like ticks/mosquitos, smallpox, etc.). I don't believe he can see the future but I believe he can and does CHANGE our future when he wishes (by cancer, disasters, disease, etc.). I believe he gave us free will and sees how we will respond to his challenges. The story of Job is the best example of this. Also, why did he test Abraham if he knows everything? The test is pointless if God knew Abraham was 100% loyal and obedient.

Yeah, God likely made the world harsh in some places to challenge us and make sure we are not spoiled. I said he could do better BUT he likely purposely made life harder than needed (ex. making the oceans salty instead of fresh).

So God is not omniscient. By what definition is he God? What gives him the right to be so brutal if he does not know the consequences of his actions?

[Freiheit Reich]

I honestly don't know if he can tell the future (many say he can). I really don't believe this though. He can guess better than us due to knowing what is going on everywhere but I don't think he knows 100%, it would be boring for him if he knew everything.

Ideas take time for all geniuses, I assume Monet took more than 2 minutes to paint his pictures and Beethoven probably took many minutes to create his symphonies. Give God a break, he created the world and has power but it takes time.

So what you're saying is that God isn't really all-powerful as he's constrained by such things as time and his own intellect? In that case, why call him God?

He has more power than anybody else. He can kill you anytime and anywhere he wishes and he can use many creative ways to do it. I do believe he gave us free will and does not force us to do anything we don't want to do (story of Job).

All-powerful, unsure. I do know he has enough power that we should fear and respect him though.

We call Willie Mays and Babe Ruth 'baseball gods' so why not say the creator is the God for the world?

Willie Mays was a great ballplayer but his batting average was nowhere near 1.000 yet he has been referred to as a baseball 'god' due to his superiority over the vast majority of others in his field.

I can plant a tree and grow corn. I have powers to change landscapes but not on the scale God does. Also, he created trees and corn. He has the edge over anybody else. God implies powerful being.

[Immoren]

Who did he bang to create this mess?

Your mum

HAR! HAR! HAR!

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

:ugeek:

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... And like true scientists, many hold the "We weren't there to see it, so we'll never really know until someone that was there tells us."

True scientists don't say that.

Also, next time you think of using the 'ubergeek' smiley, try doing it when you actually know what you're talking about.

[Divair]

There's a ton of evidence for the Big Bang.

Well I don't remember it. Do you?

Yes.

[Frisivisia]

So what you're saying is that God isn't really all-powerful as he's constrained by such things as time and his own intellect? In that case, why call him God?

He has more power than anybody else. He can kill you anytime and anywhere he wishes and he can use many creative ways to do it. I do believe he gave us free will and does not force us to do anything we don't want to do (story of Job).

All-powerful, unsure. I do know he has enough power that we should fear and respect him though.

We call Willie Mays and Babe Ruth 'baseball gods' so why not say the creator is the God for the world?

Willie Mays was a great ballplayer but his batting average was nowhere near 1.000 yet he has been referred to as a baseball 'god' due to his superiority over the vast majority of others in his field.

I can plant a tree and grow corn. I have powers to change landscapes but not on the scale God does. Also, he created trees and corn. He has the edge over anybody else. God implies powerful being.

So is Obama God, due to him being the most powerful person on the planet?

[Freiheit Reich]

I am Christian but I have disagreed with parts of the Bible which means I am not a perfect Christian. My views of God also differ in some ways. I view him as a tough father who is not afraid to challenge us (with things like cancer, evil creatures like ticks/mosquitos, smallpox, etc.). I don't believe he can see the future but I believe he can and does CHANGE our future when he wishes (by cancer, disasters, disease, etc.). I believe he gave us free will and sees how we will respond to his challenges. The story of Job is the best example of this. Also, why did he test Abraham if he knows everything? The test is pointless if God knew Abraham was 100% loyal and obedient.

Yeah, God likely made the world harsh in some places to challenge us and make sure we are not spoiled. I said he could do better BUT he likely purposely made life harder than needed (ex. making the oceans salty instead of fresh).

So God is not omniscient. By what definition is he God? What gives him the right to be so brutal if he does not know the consequences of his actions?

You can know consequences without knowing the future. He has 100% perfect recall of history (and history repeats itself). I can kill a 5 year old child and I know the main consequences based on educated guesses. The family will be sad, especially the parents. They will likely have anger towards me and maybe even hate. I will likely go to jail if I am caught. My family will be shamed and hurt by my actions. The local community will also feel these feeelings to a lesser degree.

God is smart, he can have a good idea of the main consequences of his actions. Maybe not 100% though. I believe God can make mistakes.

[Helito]

Let's analyse it:

First option: God created the world in 7 days.
It's a joke option, and people are voting it as such, so we'll ignore this one.

Second option: The big bang.
So far you would think this is the correct option to choose, but we really don't know that much about the universe, what we get is media reporting on this, and even now they are saying that many scientists are going against this theory. You must understand it's incredibly difficult to use our current knowledge of the universe to go back billions of years to say "this is what happened". The truth is, supporters of the big bang theory are declining in favour of new theories. Go back several years and I wouldn't necessarily be saying this.

Third option: Open to various hypotheses.
This would be the wisest choice, as a man of science and reason I will support the hypotheses and theories which proves to make the most sense, and has more evidence than others to back it up. We cannot reduce the origins of the universe to a false dichotomy where it is EITHER this OR this. It is not either GOD or BIG BANG.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

He can kill you anytime and anywhere he wishes and he can use many creative ways to do it. I do believe he gave us free will and does not force us to do anything we don't want to do.

So when he says that you should do this and not do that and if you don't obey these rules you will be trown into the lake that burns with fire and sulfur to suffer for the rest of eternity - that's not forcing us to do anything we don't want to?

I get it. It's free will like a father who says to his son ''It's your choice, it's all up to you, you can swear all you want. But if you do I will spank the living shit out of you. Your choice ''.

[Freiheit Reich]

He has more power than anybody else. He can kill you anytime and anywhere he wishes and he can use many creative ways to do it. I do believe he gave us free will and does not force us to do anything we don't want to do (story of Job).

All-powerful, unsure. I do know he has enough power that we should fear and respect him though.

We call Willie Mays and Babe Ruth 'baseball gods' so why not say the creator is the God for the world?

Willie Mays was a great ballplayer but his batting average was nowhere near 1.000 yet he has been referred to as a baseball 'god' due to his superiority over the vast majority of others in his field.

I can plant a tree and grow corn. I have powers to change landscapes but not on the scale God does. Also, he created trees and corn. He has the edge over anybody else. God implies powerful being.

So is Obama God, due to him being the most powerful person on the planet?

Nope, he has not shown any special talents and skills. Signing pieces of paper and repeating what a speech writer tells you to say is not a special talent. Being a successful major league player is harder (yes, there are more but only because there are more spots available). We also have hundreds of politicians at lower levels that do the same things but on a smaller scale.

Most powerful person is debateable. Kim Jong Un has more power. If Obama orders his child killed than he will likely go to jail. Kim Jong Un can order 100 children killed for no reasonable reason and he will still be in his leadership role.

Obama has to deal with checks and balances. Dictators don't.

The USA has more power but it is not in the hands of 1 man. The president also has to follow most of the laws everybody else does.

[Frisivisia]

So God is not omniscient. By what definition is he God? What gives him the right to be so brutal if he does not know the consequences of his actions?

You can know consequences without knowing the future. He has 100% perfect recall of history (and history repeats itself). I can kill a 5 year old child and I know the main consequences based on educated guesses. The family will be sad, especially the parents. They will likely have anger towards me and maybe even hate. I will likely go to jail if I am caught. My family will be shamed and hurt by my actions. The local community will also feel these feeelings to a lesser degree.

God is smart, he can have a good idea of the main consequences of his actions. Maybe not 100% though. I believe God can make mistakes.

If he makes mistakes, he is not perfect. If he is not perfect, he is not God.

[Helito]

It's a bad idea to argue with Christians, Muslims, Hindus and so on. You will drag yourself into a never ending cycle.

[Frisivisia]

So is Obama God, due to him being the most powerful person on the planet?

Nope, he has not shown any special talents and skills. Signing pieces of paper and repeating what a speech writer tells you to say is not a special talent. Being a successful major league player is harder (yes, there are more but only because there are more spots available). We also have hundreds of politicians at lower levels that do the same things but on a smaller scale.

Most powerful person is debateable. Kim Jong Un has more power. If Obama orders his child killed than he will likely go to jail. Kim Jong Un can order 100 children killed for no reasonable reason and he will still be in his leadership role.

Obama has to deal with checks and balances. Dictators don't.

The USA has more power but it is not in the hands of 1 man. The president also has to follow most of the laws everybody else does.

Obama is still the most powerful person in the world. He is the leader of a world hegemony. Kim Jong Un is a tinpot dictator that no one likes. Obama has command of hundreds of nukes, Kim doesn't have control of the one he has.

[Freiheit Reich]

He can kill you anytime and anywhere he wishes and he can use many creative ways to do it. I do believe he gave us free will and does not force us to do anything we don't want to do.

So when he says that you should do this and not do that and if you don't obey these rules you will be trown into the lake that burns with fire and sulfur to suffer for the rest of eternity - that's not forcing us to do anything we don't want to?

I get it. It's free will like a father who says to his son ''It's your choice, it's all up to you, you can swear all you want. But if you do I will spank the living shit out of you. Your choice ''.

Yes, exactly and a good analogy.

God is a tough father. Not many fathers will create diseases that kill their children. Most fathers will try to save their children from dangerous animals/insects instead of creating trillions of them to hurt and kill their children. Should we hate God? No, he also created good things as well and he gave us life.

God loves us BUT also wants to make life hard so we aren't spoiled. His will is not always understandable.

[Frisivisia]

So when he says that you should do this and not do that and if you don't obey these rules you will be trown into the lake that burns with fire and sulfur to suffer for the rest of eternity - that's not forcing us to do anything we don't want to?

I get it. It's free will like a father who says to his son ''It's your choice, it's all up to you, you can swear all you want. But if you do I will spank the living shit out of you. Your choice ''.

Yes, exactly and a good analogy.

God is a tough father. Not many fathers will create diseases that kill their children. Most fathers will try to save their children from dangerous animals/insects instead of creating trillions of them to hurt and kill their children. Should we hate God? No, he also created good things as well and he gave us life.

God loves us BUT also wants to make life hard so we aren't spoiled. His will is not always understandable.

God sounds like a pretty fucking major dick.