God created the world in 7 days? or Big Bang?

[Anachronous Rex]

That complexity can slowly form over millions of years due to evolution.

Keep in mind that it can be difficult for people to conceptualize how long truly millions of years are.

As Sovereign would put it: It is beyond our mortal comprehension.

Naw, he would have used the word, "organic."

[Neutraligon]

That complexity can slowly form over millions of years due to evolution.

Keep in mind that it can be difficult for people to conceptualize how long truly millions of years are.

As Sovereign would put it: It is beyond our mortal comprehension.

I understand that. Large numbers like million is very hard to understand. 100 is easy, 1000 less so 10,000 is more difficult. Once you get above something like that it really is very difficult to comprehend the idea of something that large.

[Freiheit Reich]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-g ... 00936.html

http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=6894

As an example of his proofs, Marcellino says, “Why do many modern scientists keep looking for a physical answer to the beginning of the universe when the 1st Law of Thermodynamics says that physical things can’t create new physical things out of nothing? It is obvious then that the physical universe had to have a non-physical starter.” He then goes on to scientifically prove that the “non-physical starter” is a powerful, intelligent, eternal being.

[Anachronous Rex]

You're talking to someone who, if I recall correctly, has already said that since no one saw the Big Bang, how can anyone say it really happened?

I said you can assume it happened, but you have never experienced it so...

Except we have. We're still basking in the glow of it.

People talk about a "smoking gun," the cosmic background radiation is literally (well, figuratively) the smoke.

[Neutraligon]

You're talking to someone who, if I recall correctly, has already said that since no one saw the Big Bang, how can anyone say it really happened?

I said you can assume it happened, but you have never experienced it so...

And you never experienced god making the world. The same argument you use can be used against you. However, unlike you scientists do have observable evidence that helps back up their claim.

[Immoren]

You're talking to someone who, if I recall correctly, has already said that since no one saw the Big Bang, how can anyone say it really happened?

I said you can assume it happened, but you have never experienced it so...

You can't see directly see uranium fissioning into smaller elements either, but you can see/feel the heat, light and blast wave.

[Thrice Crownlands]

Keep in mind that it can be difficult for people to conceptualize how long truly millions of years are.

As Sovereign would put it: It is beyond our mortal comprehension.

I understand that. Large numbers like million is very hard to understand. 100 is easy, 1000 less so 10,000 is more difficult. Once you get above something like that it really is very difficult to comprehend the idea of something that large.

Or you just change the grouping you're using.

For instance, I conceptualize a pile of 1000 bricks. Then, I conceptualize that pile 1,000 time. I've now conceptualized what I know to be 1,000,000,000 bricks.

[Czechanada]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-g ... 00936.html

http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=6894

As an example of his proofs, Marcellino says, “Why do many modern scientists keep looking for a physical answer to the beginning of the universe when the 1st Law of Thermodynamics says that physical things can’t create new physical things out of nothing? It is obvious then that the physical universe had to have a non-physical starter.” He then goes on to scientifically prove that the “non-physical starter” is a powerful, intelligent, eternal being.

Why does the being have to be intelligent?

[Neutraligon]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-g ... 00936.html

http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=6894

As an example of his proofs, Marcellino says, “Why do many modern scientists keep looking for a physical answer to the beginning of the universe when the 1st Law of Thermodynamics says that physical things can’t create new physical things out of nothing? It is obvious then that the physical universe had to have a non-physical starter.” He then goes on to scientifically prove that the “non-physical starter” is a powerful, intelligent, eternal being.

Because nothing is very unstable, also, the laws of the universe do not hold in that instance because guess what, the universe did not exist.

[Individuality-ness]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-g ... 00936.html

http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=6894

As an example of his proofs, Marcellino says, “Why do many modern scientists keep looking for a physical answer to the beginning of the universe when the 1st Law of Thermodynamics says that physical things can’t create new physical things out of nothing? It is obvious then that the physical universe had to have a non-physical starter.” He then goes on to scientifically prove that the “non-physical starter” is a powerful, intelligent, eternal being.

Are these peer reviwed studies in a scientific journal or something? No?

Moving on.

[Transhuman Proteus]

You're talking to someone who, if I recall correctly, has already said that since no one saw the Big Bang, how can anyone say it really happened?

I said you can assume it happened, but you have never experienced it so...

And none of us saw God involved either. We have evidence supporting the hypothesis regarding the Big Bang though, not so for the "a wizard did it" approach.

[Anachronous Rex]

I understand that. Large numbers like million is very hard to understand. 100 is easy, 1000 less so 10,000 is more difficult. Once you get above something like that it really is very difficult to comprehend the idea of something that large.

Or you just change the grouping you're using.

For instance, I conceptualize a pile of 1000 bricks. Then, I conceptualize that pile 1,000 time. I've now conceptualized what I know to be 1,000,000,000 bricks.

Your math is quite a bit off.

[Immoren]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-g ... 00936.html

http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=6894

As an example of his proofs, Marcellino says, “Why do many modern scientists keep looking for a physical answer to the beginning of the universe when the 1st Law of Thermodynamics says that physical things can’t create new physical things out of nothing? It is obvious then that the physical universe had to have a non-physical starter.” He then goes on to scientifically prove that the “non-physical starter” is a powerful, intelligent, eternal being.

Closed system vs Open system. Which one Universe currently is?

[Neutraligon]

I understand that. Large numbers like million is very hard to understand. 100 is easy, 1000 less so 10,000 is more difficult. Once you get above something like that it really is very difficult to comprehend the idea of something that large.

Or you just change the grouping you're using.

For instance, I conceptualize a pile of 1000 bricks. Then, I conceptualize that pile 1,000 time. I've now conceptualized what I know to be 1,000,000,000 bricks.

However now you have changed ow you are thinking of the bricks, rather than thinking of 1,000,000 individual bricks, you are now visualizing the piles of bricks.

Your math is quite a bit off.

By a couple orders of magnitude.

[Conscentia]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:
[...]

Einstein isn't infallible.

[Immoren]

OK, these sources might be better. Even Einstein believed:
[...]

Einstein isn't infallible.

Argumentum ad verecundiam is baad.

[Thrice Crownlands]

Or you just change the grouping you're using.

For instance, I conceptualize a pile of 1000 bricks. Then, I conceptualize that pile 1,000 time. I've now conceptualized what I know to be 1,000,000,000 bricks.

However now you have changed ow you are thinking of the bricks, rather than thinking of 1,000,000 individual bricks, you are now visualizing the piles of bricks.

Your math is quite a bit off.

By a couple orders of magnitude.

Yes, I suppose I am. But I know what each of those pile of bricks contain, and thus know I have 1,000,000 bricks. It just takes two steps of thinking to get where I need to go, rather then one.

And I apologize. I meant to type 1,000,000 bricks. Sorry.

[Conscentia]

Einstein isn't infallible.

Argumentum ad verecundiam is baad.

Indeed.

[Erulamia]

God started the Big Bang which created the universe or universes in 7 'God days' which are much longer than our days.

[Anachronous Rex]

God started the Big Bang which created the universe or universes in 7 'God days' which are much longer than our days.

You know, I never quite understand why it is Christians believe god did creature the universe. The Bible doesn't say that.

[Neutraligon]

However now you have changed ow you are thinking of the bricks, rather than thinking of 1,000,000 individual bricks, you are now visualizing the piles of bricks.



By a couple orders of magnitude.

Yes, I suppose I am. But I know what each of those pile of bricks contain, and thus know I have 1,000,000 bricks. It just takes two steps of thinking to get where I need to go, rather then one.

And I apologize. I meant to type 1,000,000 bricks. Sorry.

Now keep going up, the larger the number, the harder it is to actually conceptualize that number. By putting the bricks in piles you are no longer thinking of bricks, you are thinking of piles of bricks. It is very difficult to go from piles of bricks back to bricks.

[Conscentia]

God started the Big Bang which created the universe or universes in 7 'God days' which are much longer than our days.

Genesis defined the length of the day in the first chapter.

"5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day." Genesis 1:5

In-fact, it is known that the Earth's rotation was faster in the early days of the Earth, so the day would have been even shorter then.

[Thrice Crownlands]

Yes, I suppose I am. But I know what each of those pile of bricks contain, and thus know I have 1,000,000 bricks. It just takes two steps of thinking to get where I need to go, rather then one.

And I apologize. I meant to type 1,000,000 bricks. Sorry.

Now keep going up, the larger the number, the harder it is to actually conceptualize that number. By putting the bricks in piles you are no longer thinking of bricks, you are thinking of piles of bricks. It is very difficult to go from piles of bricks back to bricks.

No, I just have to take multiple steps back. I'm not saying I can go on infinantly; just that by utilizing basic maths and slowing down, one can increase the range they can safely conceptualize. I would assert that its fairly easy to go back from piles of bricks to bricks; its jumping from piles of piles of bricks directly back to bricks that rakes the brain. I am aware of each individual brick exists; even if I'm not actively seeing it at every given moment, I know its there, and can pull it out when need be. But any more then two steps, and it gets confusing.

[Freiheit Reich]

Just trying to convince people he exists. Whether you love him or not is up to you.

I fear God because I know how much power he has. I also respect God for the same reason. I know God can kill me anytime he wishes just as he can kill you at anytime. We just have to live our lives and hope he lets us live for many more years.

The creation of earth demonstrates his powers.

For the believers of Big Bang without God I challenge you to watch a sunset at a beautiful spot, maybe a beach or mountain. Or maybe go walking in the New England forests on a dry and cool autumn day with leaves of red and gold. Birds singing sweet songs overhead. Or maybe look at and listen to the awesome power of Niagara Falls.

Ask yourselves, can these things be created without a divine being?

That is a logical fallacy. The appeal to incredulity. Also:

"No one who sits at the bed of a dying child could still believe in God." - Bertrand Russell.

Yes they could, I said God kills children. God also tortures some people with cancer. He created diseases such as typhiod, malaria, HIV/AIDS, smallpox, cholera, etc. which have killed millions young and old alike.

God has two sides. I can accept this even though I wish he only showed his kind side.

The real test is not believing God exists. The test is whether you can love him after he kills the dying child.

[Conscentia]

That is a logical fallacy. The appeal to incredulity. Also:
"No one who sits at the bed of a dying child could still believe in God." - Bertrand Russell.

Yes they could, I said God kills children. God also tortures some people with cancer. He created diseases such as typhiod, malaria, HIV/AIDS, smallpox, cholera, etc. which have killed millions young and old alike.
God has two sides. I can accept this even though I wish he only showed his kind side.
The real test is not believing God exists. The test is whether you can love him after he kills the dying child.

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

Have you actually read the bible?