Explosions at Boston Marathon

[The Orson Empire]

He will get a fair trial like any criminal would. And I don't think we shoot people anymore as a form of execution.

Only in Utah at the request of the defendant.

Really? I did not know that.

[Greed and Death]

Only in Utah at the request of the defendant.

Really? I did not know that.

They got rid of the option in 2004, but there are 3 pending firing squad executions.
Something to do with a Mormon doctrine of answering blood with blood.

[Coccygia]

Apparently the guys are Muslims. Devout ones. What a surprise.

Surprise about what?

Ask someone to explain the word "irony" to you.

Apparently the guys are Muslims. Devout ones. What a surprise.

Says who? FOX? CNN? FSM?

Their sister. I heard it on that right-wing propaganda channel, NPR. At least, she said the elder one had become a devout Muslim recently.

[Torisakia]

So, how are they going to execute this guy? Shooting, lethal injection, or a taste of his own medicene?

Or will they still try him?

He will get a fair trial like any criminal would. And I don't think we shoot people anymore as a form of execution.

"Why give him a fair trial? He's a terrorist."

One of my friends on Facebook said that.

They should shoot people as a form of execution, lethal injection sounds too soft.

[Geilinor]

He will get a fair trial like any criminal would. And I don't think we shoot people anymore as a form of execution.

"Why give him a fair trial? He's a terrorist."

One of my friends on Facebook said that.

They should shoot people as a form of execution, lethal injection sounds too soft.

He killed 4 people. People aren't even this angry when shooters kill 10 or 20. When it's a bomb, we say "execute immediately, no trial".

[Greed and Death]

"Why give him a fair trial? He's a terrorist."

One of my friends on Facebook said that.

They should shoot people as a form of execution, lethal injection sounds too soft.

He killed 4 people. People aren't even this angry when shooters kill 10 or 20. When it's a bomb, we say "execute immediately, no trial".

I think when it is an attempt to scare us as a society we get angry, also last guy to kill 20 odd people killed himself before we could decide how to execute him.

[Alien Space Bats]

He will not be in state court he will tried in Federal court where he will get the death sentence.

That would be a complete waste.

I mean, if it was me, and you only offered me death, I'd think, "Well, fuck you! Why should I give you any information at all? What's in it for me?"

We want to know whether or not the Brothers Tsarnaev were suborned? How are we going to get that information if they don't talk? Torture doesn't work, because people will just start naming the names of random people they know to stop the pain and fuck with your head.

Were I in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's position, I'd he holding out for life in prison under conditions somewhat better than a Supermax. And you know what? I'd get it. You want to know why I'd get it? Because the CIA wants to know about Tamarlan's Russian connections, and so does the FSB, and the CIA likes having info that it can exchange with the FSB... for a price.

[Greed and Death]

He will not be in state court he will tried in Federal court where he will get the death sentence.

That would be a complete waste.

I mean, if it was me, and you only offered me death, I'd think, "Well, fuck you! Why should I give you any information at all? What's in it for me?"

We want to know whether or not the Brothers Tsarnaev were suborned? How are we going to get that information if they don't talk? Torture doesn't work, because people will just start naming the names of random people they know to stop the pain and fuck with your head.

Were I in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's position, I'd he holding out for life in prison under conditions somewhat better than a Supermax. And you know what? I'd get it. You want to know why I'd get it? Because the CIA wants to know about Tamarlan's Russian connections, and so does the FSB, and the CIA likes having info that it can exchange with the FSB... for a price.

Indeed the prosecutor will offer to take the death penalty off the table for information.
Though no clue if there is any information to offer the defense attorney may have to work to sell the value of it.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

McCain and Graham offer their views.

Though the police can withhold Miranda rights, I suppose, to get the information they absolutely and utterly need, Guantanamo? Really?

[Frisivisia]

He will get a fair trial like any criminal would. And I don't think we shoot people anymore as a form of execution.

"Why give him a fair trial? He's a terrorist."

One of my friends on Facebook said that.

They should shoot people as a form of execution, lethal injection sounds too soft.

Fuck being humane to human beings, right? An eye for an eye makes the whole world better at seeing, right?

[Greed and Death]

McCain and Graham offer their views.

Though the police can withhold Miranda rights, I suppose, to get the information they absolutely and utterly need, Guantanamo? Really?

Only by water boarding can we be certain that we are not in further danger.

[Frisivisia]

McCain and Graham offer their views.

Though the police can withhold Miranda rights, I suppose, to get the information they absolutely and utterly need, Guantanamo? Really?

Only by water boarding can we be certain that we are not in further danger.

[citation needed]

[Ifreann]

He will get a fair trial like any criminal would. And I don't think we shoot people anymore as a form of execution.

"Why give him a fair trial? He's a terrorist."

One of my friends on Facebook said that.

Your friend is a moron, and I hope you told them so.

They should shoot people as a form of execution, lethal injection sounds too soft.

How it sounds is really not a consideration.

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He will not be in state court he will tried in Federal court where he will get the death sentence.

That would be a complete waste.

I mean, if it was me, and you only offered me death, I'd think, "Well, fuck you! Why should I give you any information at all? What's in it for me?"

We want to know whether or not the Brothers Tsarnaev were suborned? How are we going to get that information if they don't talk? Torture doesn't work, because people will just start naming the names of random people they know to stop the pain and fuck with your head.

Were I in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's position, I'd he holding out for life in prison under conditions somewhat better than a Supermax. And you know what? I'd get it. You want to know why I'd get it? Because the CIA wants to know about Tamarlan's Russian connections, and so does the FSB, and the CIA likes having info that it can exchange with the FSB... for a price.

Vodka. Good vodka.

[Salandriagado]

It seems that the media are so pre-occupied with impressing each other being first with the story, they forget to try and impress the people actually watching by having actual facts.

I wouldn't say "impressing each other" but "scooping each other," really. And they expect us to be impressed, too. You have to admit, you would be impressed by a news outlet having accurate information well in advance of the others. The trouble is, in their zeal for getting out there first, which translates in to ad revenue and increased ratings and other delicious things, they go too far. It's really not uncommon and it certainly isn't a new phenomenon. What's new is the speed with which it happens, which is why CNN can be, as ASB said, so "systematically and magnificently wrong this many times on a single story in a single week." In the olden days, you know, like in the 20th century, newspapers had the luxury of a day or so to do a little research first. Of course, if they were out on the fringes, in the yellow area, they didn't much care.

Actually, I'd be impressed if they could keep up with Twitter. That would be a start.

[Desperate Measures]

McCain and Graham offer their views.

Though the police can withhold Miranda rights, I suppose, to get the information they absolutely and utterly need, Guantanamo? Really?

Only by water boarding can we be certain that we are not in further danger.

I water-board the first sentient being I see whenever I'm frightened. I'm not sure if it works or if it just takes my mind off the situation. Either way...

[The Cookish States]

The guy in question is a hardened Chechen terrorist. I hate to laud the enemy, but if he was locked in a room with you Utopialand, he would just have another murder to add to his charges.

This "hardened Chechen terrorist"(gross speculation on your part, incidentally) is currently in a hospital in a serious condition. Even the least ITG among us could kick his ass right now, assuming the police cooperated and let us in.

Chechen, Dagestanian, Russian, whatever he is, he's obviously no wimp. I mean, how many people can escape the police amidst a shootout involving bombs and assault rifles?

Valid point though, it does make me wonder how many NSG'ers are capable of murder like that though. I mean, killing an active threat is one thing, but I don't know if I'd be able to just kill a man lying on a hospital bed without my conscience kicking my ass for the duration of the rest of my life. Even if that man is a murderous sack of shit.

[Ashmoria]

He will not be in state court he will tried in Federal court where he will get the death sentence.

That would be a complete waste.

I mean, if it was me, and you only offered me death, I'd think, "Well, fuck you! Why should I give you any information at all? What's in it for me?"

We want to know whether or not the Brothers Tsarnaev were suborned? How are we going to get that information if they don't talk? Torture doesn't work, because people will just start naming the names of random people they know to stop the pain and fuck with your head.

Were I in Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's position, I'd he holding out for life in prison under conditions somewhat better than a Supermax. And you know what? I'd get it. You want to know why I'd get it? Because the CIA wants to know about Tamarlan's Russian connections, and so does the FSB, and the CIA likes having info that it can exchange with the FSB... for a price.

he's only 19. the likelihood is that he has never thought of what he might bargain for if he got caught.

he just killed a kid, killed his brother, disgraced his entire family.

he wont hold anything back.

[Ifreann]

This "hardened Chechen terrorist"(gross speculation on your part, incidentally) is currently in a hospital in a serious condition. Even the least ITG among us could kick his ass right now, assuming the police cooperated and let us in.

Chechen, Dagestanian, Russian, whatever he is,

I was objecting more to the "hardened...terrorist" bit. He's 19 and, so far as I know, there's no suggestion of any wrong doing on his part outside of this incident.

he's obviously no wimp. I mean, how many people can escape the police amidst a shootout involving bombs and assault rifles?

Beginner's luck? Achievements in cowardice? Running away well and fighting back against the police doesn't feel like something that would qualify one as "hardened".

Valid point though, it does make me wonder how many NSG'ers are capable of murder like that though. I mean, killing an active threat is one thing, but I don't know if I'd be able to just kill a man lying on a hospital bed without my conscience kicking my ass for the duration of the rest of my life. Even if that man is a murderous sack of shit.

I expect, in the absurd situation of one of us stumbling upon him unguarded, most of us wouldn't do anything. Some might. I wouldn't care to hazard any guesses as to who's who.

[Farnhamia]

Only by water boarding can we be certain that we are not in further danger.

I water-board the first sentient being I see whenever I'm frightened. I'm not sure if it works or if it just takes my mind off the situation. Either way...

I'm not sure that wetting yourself counts as water-boarding the first sentient being you see when you're frightened.

[United Dependencies]

I see a few news sites have already started raising the question of whether or not our intelligence services have failed us.

[Farnhamia]

I see a few news sites have already started raising the question of whether or not our intelligence services have failed us.

Hindsight. I never wear my glasses when I'm using hindsight.

[Ifreann]

I see a few news sites have already started raising the question of whether or not our intelligence services have failed us.

Hindsight. I never wear my glasses when I'm using hindsight.

The lack of a second nose makes it tricky to wear glasses on the back of one's head.

[Farnhamia]

Hindsight. I never wear my glasses when I'm using hindsight.

The lack of a second nose makes it tricky to wear glasses on the back of one's head.

Well, yes, but you can get one of those eyeglass chains like your Mum or Granny wears and pull it tight, then tie it off in back, which is the front. Of your head.

[The Electoral College]

McCain and Graham offer their views.

Though the police can withhold Miranda rights, I suppose, to get the information they absolutely and utterly need, Guantanamo? Really?

There's already a fine line between terrorist and everyday criminal, McCain and Graham make that line into a situation where every 16 year-old arsonist could be considered an enemy combatant.

Whenever possible, full criminal law should be used in criminal, civilian courts for criminal acts. That includes terrorists that act in America and that are not members of groups that America is fighting against in the areas they are fighting against them.

[Ifreann]

McCain and Graham offer their views.

Though the police can withhold Miranda rights, I suppose, to get the information they absolutely and utterly need, Guantanamo? Really?

There's already a fine line between terrorist and everyday criminal, McCain and Graham make that line into a situation where every 16 year-old arsonist could be considered an enemy combatant.

Whenever possible, full criminal law should be used in criminal, civilian courts for criminal acts. That includes terrorists that act in America and that are not members of groups that America is fighting against in the areas they are fighting against them.

Sounds like enemy combatant talk to me.