Explosions at Boston Marathon

[The Rich Port]

He's in the hospital and in no condition to be interrogated. They'll read him his rights before they question him. If he even lives that long.

authorities have announced that they're holding off on reading his rights under the public safety exception. they're planning to interrogate/question him without reading the miranda rights.

I'm not sure how depriving him of his rights will protect the public, innocent until proven guilty and all.

He's unconscious. He's in no condition to be read rights, let alone understand them.

Seriously, though, if these guys didn't do it, they might be wasting serious resources plus putting themselves into the Dark Side of the Force for no reason by not doing it.

I'm certain they will, even if he is going to be treated as a terrorist.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Yeah but think of the laws hollywood would pass!

Just the idea of the mandated fake breasts is giving me the vapors.

Michael Bay in the House Energy Subcommittee on Energy and Power?

"Explosions."

"Mr. Bay, the question was 'What is the most efficient and renewable resource currently on the market which might benefit from subsidies or tax breaks to stimulate development and growth'."

"And the answer, Mr. Senator, is Explosions."

And then of course the Capitol Building explodes.

I'm glad this manhunt is over, sounds like Watertown turned into straight up Dodge City while it was going on.

[Dracoria]

And you? How many years are you willing to spend in jail for the selfish pleasure of taking revenge in person? Two? Five?

The guy in question is a hardened Chechen terrorist. I hate to laud the enemy, but if he was locked in a room with you Utopialand, he would just have another murder to add to his charges.


People keep thinking bad guys are wimps. I mean, "give me ten minutes with Osama" makes me think of said person trying to fight a guy that's nearly 7 foot tall.

We have cops and soldiers for a reason, guys, you aren't Rambo.

It's all about timing. I'm sure I could have taken on Osama with a little planning.

Hard to dodge and weave when you're sitting down and hooked up to the dialysis machine.

[Invarel]

authorities have announced that they're holding off on reading his rights under the public safety exception. they're planning to interrogate/question him without reading the miranda rights.

I'm not sure how depriving him of his rights will protect the public, innocent until proven guilty and all.

exactly. it won't, but authorities are not going to read him his rights anyway.

[United Dependencies]

He's in the hospital and in no condition to be interrogated. They'll read him his rights before they question him. If he even lives that long.

authorities have announced that they're holding off on reading his rights under the public safety exception. they're planning to interrogate/question him without reading the miranda rights.

They're holding off on reading his rights so that they can determine if there are any other explosive devices laying around. Once that's done I imagine that they'll get back to the usual formula.

Ofcourse, this is all irrelevent considering the suspect is still in no condition to be questioned.

[The Rich Port]

I'm not sure how depriving him of his rights will protect the public, innocent until proven guilty and all.

exactly. it won't, but authorities are not going to read him his rights anyway.

If you had read my post, you would have noticed the point I already made to this statement.

Why would they? It is most certainly NOT in their best interests to do so.

[The Cookish States]

The guy in question is a hardened Chechen terrorist. I hate to laud the enemy, but if he was locked in a room with you Utopialand, he would just have another murder to add to his charges.


People keep thinking bad guys are wimps. I mean, "give me ten minutes with Osama" makes me think of said person trying to fight a guy that's nearly 7 foot tall.

We have cops and soldiers for a reason, guys, you aren't Rambo.

It's all about timing. I'm sure I could have taken on Osama with a little planning.

Hard to dodge and weave when you're sitting down and hooked up to the dialysis machine.

You want to kill bad guys? Join the Army. Be a cop. A civilian shouldn't take action against a suspect of any crime unless said citizen, his/her family, or other person nearby is in immediate danger. If we subjected our nation to mob rule, we'd rip the corpses of terrorists apart in the street, and we'd be no better than any other terrorist-harboring shithole.

EDIT: Plus, the information in these mens head is more valuable than their life. To take away a possible lead would be stupid.

[Dracoria]

It's all about timing. I'm sure I could have taken on Osama with a little planning.

Hard to dodge and weave when you're sitting down and hooked up to the dialysis machine.

You want to kill bad guys? Join the Army. Be a cop. A civilian shouldn't take action against a suspect of any crime unless said citizen, his/her family, or other person nearby is in immediate danger. If we subjected our nation to mob rule, we'd rip the corpses of terrorists apart in the street, and we'd be no better than any other terrorist-harboring shithole.

Sigh. Once again reminded not to attempt humor in NSG.

[Death Metal]

Technically speaking, they are allowed to informally question him before being read rights, just what he says would be inadmissible in court.

[Saiwania]

I don't believe either tried to escape, they had plenty of time to flee towards Canada or Mexico and lay low but they chose to stay in Massachusetts and it didn't help that they shot up the MIT campus. I think that was the turning point, because with one dead body they were able to get a name and from there identify the other suspect as well where as before, the police only had vague footage of both which would have taken a while to get any concrete leads.

[The Cookish States]

You want to kill bad guys? Join the Army. Be a cop. A civilian shouldn't take action against a suspect of any crime unless said citizen, his/her family, or other person nearby is in immediate danger. If we subjected our nation to mob rule, we'd rip the corpses of terrorists apart in the street, and we'd be no better than any other terrorist-harboring shithole.

Sigh. Once again reminded not to attempt humor in NSG.

Internets are srs bsns.

Thought you were that other guy though, that Mr. Internet Tough Guy.

In any case, if you want to fight Osama, he's shark shit by now. That, or my little conspiracy theory, is that he's in a prison in backwoods Alabama. Probably being made into a sextoy by various large inmates by day, interrogated by night.

[United Dependencies]

Technically speaking, they are allowed to informally question him before being read rights, just what he says would be inadmissible in court.

I believe the plan is to try to figure out if there are any more bombs or traps lying around before they actually get down to questioning him.

[Invarel]

If you had read my post, you would have noticed the point I already made to this statement.

Why would they? It is most certainly NOT in their best interests to do so.

i was a bit confused by the rest of your reply & am about this reply as well. it could either agree or disagree with the article depending on how its read. i can't tell which.

[Mighty Qin]

FBI spoke to Tamerlan in 2011. Left him alone.

Permanent CIA, FBI, DHS, NSA, Secret Service given tons of funds, bending liberties to increase scope of surveillance.

Tamerlan mysteriously disappears several times over last two years. Series of experimental bombs found in Hanover in March.

Boston Police, Massachusetts State Police, Event Security.

Doesn't stop bombings.
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Days of investigation, millions of dollars spent. No leads. First lead received from semi-conscious man waking in hospital.

FBI identifies perps, sits on information, does nothing with it, early chance to spook perps lost.

Perps remain in Boston entire time, law enforcement swarming city for days, no effect.

Perps shoot MIT campus policeman. Perps carjack man. Police finally follow them, shootout ensues. Shootout and bombings ensue.
Gigantic security apparatus, helicopters apparently fail to mobilize. Tamerlan apparently exits vehicle, walks directly at patrol car, shot.
Dzhokhar runs Tamerlan over, exits vehicle, gravely wounded with blood trail. Thousands of police and feds in Boston....Dzhokhar
escapes on foot after long, extremely noticeable firefight and series of explosions. Escapes.....on foot, potentially endangering hundreds.

Police slow to respond and cordon area, search everything, pursue false leads, can not pick up on blood trail, give up before sunset and tell city to resume normalcy.

Man exits residence for cigarette, immediately finds suspect.

Police and FBI summoned, shootout ensues, Hostage Rescue Team summoned, suspects attempts to immolate self, fails, HRT throws flashbangs and negotiates him down.

__________________

Hundreds of millions of dollars spent for "terrorist profile" fitting young well-off Muslim(s), one of which reported by Russians as extremist, travelling in and out of country.
Huge event security, useless. Investigation useless, private citizen missing a leg in hospital first useful person. Feds sit on information, release it. Cops pursue suspects,
let them escape. HRT does successful standoff with suspect, but takes long period of time increasing likelihood of critically wounded suspect bleeding out.

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These guys didn't even try to flee, made an ultimately ineffective set of bombs considering their presumable fatality expectations, committed brazen and pointless crimes, didn't (Dzhokhar) cover his face,
and this constitution bending multibillion dollar security infrastructure we've assembled bumbled and fumbled for days, making less investigative progress than simple citizens.

If terrorists ever decide to coordinate on a larger scale, with experts who actually attempt to evade police, we're going to spend 100 billion and pass more and more invasive measures while catching about 1/3 of the guys, all due to private citizens. I have no idea why people, given these circumstances, are praising "the boys in blue" and blessing America while not realizing how extraordinarily unprotected we are from any threat more credible than these bozos. We're not trading freedom for security, we're trading freedom for astronomical costs and continued lack of security. I hate to armchair criticize guys putting their lives on the line, but this whole incident has some disturbing implications that we've merely been lucky since 9/11 and completely vulnerable.

[The Emerald Dawn]

FBI spoke to Tamerlan in 2011. Left him alone.

Permanent CIA, FBI, DHS, NSA, Secret Service given tons of funds, bending liberties to increase scope of surveillance.

Tamerlan mysteriously disappears several times over last two years. Series of experimental bombs found in Hanover in March.

Boston Police, Massachusetts State Police, Event Security.

Doesn't stop bombings.
_________________

Days of investigation, millions of dollars spent. No leads. First lead received from semi-conscious man waking in hospital.

FBI identifies perps, sits on information, does nothing with it, early chance to spook perps lost.

Perps remain in Boston entire time, law enforcement swarming city for days, no effect.

Perps shoot MIT campus policeman. Perps carjack man. Police finally follow them, shootout ensues. Shootout and bombings ensue.
Gigantic security apparatus, helicopters apparently fail to mobilize. Tamerlan apparently exits vehicle, walks directly at patrol car, shot.
Dzhokhar runs Tamerlan over, exits vehicle, gravely wounded with blood trail. Thousands of police and feds in Boston....Dzhokhar
escapes on foot after long, extremely noticeable firefight and series of explosions. Escapes.....on foot, potentially endangering hundreds.

Police slow to respond and cordon area, search everything, pursue false leads, can not pick up on blood trail, give up before sunset and tell city to resume normalcy.

Man exits residence for cigarette, immediately finds suspect.

Police and FBI summoned, shootout ensues, Hostage Rescue Team summoned, suspects attempts to immolate self, fails, HRT throws flashbangs and negotiates him down.

__________________

Hundreds of millions of dollars spent for "terrorist profile" fitting young well-off Muslim(s), one of which reported by Russians as extremist, travelling in and out of country.
Huge event security, useless. Investigation useless, private citizen missing a leg in hospital first useful person. Feds sit on information, release it. Cops pursue suspects,
let them escape. HRT does successful standoff with suspect, but takes long period of time increasing likelihood of critically wounded suspect bleeding out.

____

These guys didn't even try to flee, made an ultimately ineffective set of bombs considering their presumable fatality expectations, committed brazen and pointless crimes, didn't (Dzhokhar) cover his face,
and this constitution bending multibillion dollar security infrastructure we've assembled bumbled and fumbled for days, making less investigative progress than simple citizens.

If terrorists ever decide to coordinate on a larger scale, with experts who actually attempt to evade police, we're going to spend 100 billion and pass more and more invasive measures while catching about 1/3 of the guys, all due to private citizens. I have no idea why people, given these circumstances, are praising "the boys in blue" and blessing America while not realizing how extraordinarily unprotected we are from any threat more credible than these bozos. We're not trading freedom for security, we're trading freedom for astronomical costs and continued lack of security. I hate to armchair criticize guys putting their lives on the line, but this whole incident has some disturbing implications that we've merely been lucky since 9/11 and completely vulnerable.

MASSIVE WALL OF TINFOIL

[Quewzion]

This just in The Emerald Dawn Declares security forces incompetence A conspiracy theory.

[The Emerald Dawn]

This just in The Emerald Dawn Declares security forces incompetence A conspiracy theory.

Oh, I'm sorry, was it the fact that it was unsourced, or the fact that it was insanely biased the part that I shouldn't have paid attention to?

[Dracoria]

This just in The Emerald Dawn Declares security forces incompetence A conspiracy theory.

Oh, I'm sorry, was it the fact that it was unsourced, or the fact that it was insanely biased the part that I shouldn't have paid attention to?

The poster you're responding to has, at the time of this posting, made exactly one post themselves. Three guesses as to who they're a puppet of.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Oh, I'm sorry, was it the fact that it was unsourced, or the fact that it was insanely biased the part that I shouldn't have paid attention to?

The poster you're responding to has, at the time of this posting, made exactly one post themselves. Three guesses as to who they're a puppet of.

Of course, which is why I didn't address them as a separate entity.

[Dracoria]

The poster you're responding to has, at the time of this posting, made exactly one post themselves. Three guesses as to who they're a puppet of.

Of course, which is why I didn't address them as a separate entity.

Kind of sad, really. You'd expect posters who go through the effort of swapping to a puppet to at least swap their writing style or make some attempt to develop their puppet as a separate poster.

Back to the original content,

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If they'd have pressed investigations on the kid, they'd have been racist and islamophobic. At that point, he may not have had the faintest thoughts of engaging in such an act on US soil, either. Hell, for all we know now, he may have instead provided information on other security threats back then, to cover himself. Something after that point may have further radicalized him, or spread his hatred toward the US as well; maybe watching Jersey Shore*.

*humor attempt. If you don't find this funny, you probably have a fake tan.

[Mkuki]

If terrorists ever decide to coordinate on a larger scale, with experts who actually attempt to evade police, we're going to spend 100 billion and pass more and more invasive measures while catching about 1/3 of the guys, all due to private citizens. I have no idea why people, given these circumstances, are praising "the boys in blue" and blessing America while not realizing how extraordinarily unprotected we are from any threat more credible than these bozos. We're not trading freedom for security, we're trading freedom for astronomical costs and continued lack of security. I hate to armchair criticize guys putting their lives on the line, but this whole incident has some disturbing implications that we've merely been lucky since 9/11 and completely vulnerable.

Totalitarian wet dream, much?

[Death Metal]

The article is irrelevant because they don't have to read him his rights yet.

the article discusses the public safety exception in the miranda and is, like i said, interesting. it's totally cool if you don't want to read it, but why comment if you haven't?

Because it's bullshit fearmongering based on speculation and a misunderstanding of how Miranda works in the first place.

[Invarel]

have you read it yet

[Greed and Death]

authorities have announced that they're holding off on reading his rights under the public safety exception. they're planning to interrogate/question him without reading the miranda rights.

I'm not sure how depriving him of his rights will protect the public, innocent until proven guilty and all.

He's unconscious. He's in no condition to be read rights, let alone understand them.

Seriously, though, if these guys didn't do it, they might be wasting serious resources plus putting themselves into the Dark Side of the Force for no reason by not doing it.

I'm certain they will, even if he is going to be treated as a terrorist.

Public safety exception meaning authorities are concerned he has left undetonated bombs all over the neighborhood.
Another reason they are going for this, is likely there is ample evidence already in police hands to point to this guy, so even if the questioning is not admissible who cares the other evidence is sufficient to convict.

[Greed and Death]

It's all about timing. I'm sure I could have taken on Osama with a little planning.

Hard to dodge and weave when you're sitting down and hooked up to the dialysis machine.

You want to kill bad guys? Join the Army. Be a cop. A civilian shouldn't take action against a suspect of any crime unless said citizen, his/her family, or other person nearby is in immediate danger. If we subjected our nation to mob rule, we'd rip the corpses of terrorists apart in the street, and we'd be no better than any other terrorist-harboring shithole.

EDIT: Plus, the information in these mens head is more valuable than their life. To take away a possible lead would be stupid.

With Republicans refusing to pass a budget there may soon be no cops or military, we will need to rely on the posse and militia of old.