Smoking In Public

[Condunum]

Firstly, I don't know where you live but smoking is forbidden in schools and hospitals.



So, what you're saying is that I am endangering the lives of children by saying that smoking should be allowed outside?

Yes, second hand smoking is just as dangerous as smoking itself, children breathe the same amount of nicotine as a smoker after a smoker exhales it, so yes you are endangering children...

Somehow, second hand smoke is now the breath of the smoker long after they've extinguished their tobacco product. Who knew!

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Schools and hospitals are public places.

Did he say public places? Nope.

What is outside, gentlemen? Is it not a public place? Unless of-course you smoke within your own property, fine by me, at-least no one is close enough to breathe that in...

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Yes, second hand smoking is just as dangerous as smoking itself, children breathe the same amount of nicotine as a smoker after a smoker exhales it, so yes you are endangering children...

Somehow, second hand smoke is now the breath of the smoker long after they've extinguished their tobacco product. Who knew!

No, what do you think is the smoke that comes out of the smoker when he/she exhales while smoking?

[Costa Alegria]

Schools and hospitals are public places.

But being in a school or hospital, for the most part, is not being "outside".

What is outside, gentlemen?

Depending on where you are at any given time, council, public, commercial or private property.

Is it not a public place?

I don't consider my front lawn to be a public place (despite what the neighbourhood kids and drunks think). Nor do I imagine that the military or the owners of a factory or a commercial seaport for example would consider their respective premises to be public property.

Unless of-course you smoke within your own property, fine by me, at-least no one is close enough to breathe that in...

What about in a park for instance? Most people are far enough away to not be affected by cigarette smoke.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Schools and hospitals are public places.

But being in a school or hospital, for the most part, is not being "outside".

What is outside, gentlemen?

Depending on where you are at any given time, council, public, commercial or private property.

Is it not a public place?

I don't consider my front lawn to be a public place (despite what the neighbourhood kids and drunks think). Nor do I imagine that the military or the owners of a factory or a commercial seaport for example would consider their respective premises to be public property.

Unless of-course you smoke within your own property, fine by me, at-least no one is close enough to breathe that in...

What about in a park for instance? Most people are far enough away to not be affected by cigarette smoke.

Playgrounds, parks, amusement parks, the list goes on and on.

[Condunum]

Somehow, second hand smoke is now the breath of the smoker long after they've extinguished their tobacco product. Who knew!

No, what do you think is the smoke that comes out of the smoker when he/she exhales while smoking?

Yes, and somehow you've got it in your mind that this cloud which rises and dissipates is magically making it's way into schools and hospitals.

[Condunum]

But being in a school or hospital, for the most part, is not being "outside".



Depending on where you are at any given time, council, public, commercial or private property.



I don't consider my front lawn to be a public place (despite what the neighbourhood kids and drunks think). Nor do I imagine that the military or the owners of a factory or a commercial seaport for example would consider their respective premises to be public property.



What about in a park for instance? Most people are far enough away to not be affected by cigarette smoke.

Playgrounds, parks, amusement parks, the list goes on and on.

Let's see... Playgrounds. Well, I don't know anyone who smoked near those. Every smoking parent I knew moved away.

Parks... Well, they're generally well sized and open.

Amusement parks... Not public property.

[Condunum]

Did he say public places? Nope.

What is outside, gentlemen? Is it not a public place? Unless of-course you smoke within your own property, fine by me, at-least no one is close enough to breathe that in...

You really suck at this. Horribly.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Schools and hospitals are public places.

But being in a school or hospital, for the most part, is not being "outside".

What is outside, gentlemen?

Depending on where you are at any given time, council, public, commercial or private property.

Is it not a public place?

I don't consider my front lawn to be a public place (despite what the neighbourhood kids and drunks think). Nor do I imagine that the military or the owners of a factory or a commercial seaport for example would consider their respective premises to be public property.

Unless of-course you smoke within your own property, fine by me, at-least no one is close enough to breathe that in...

What about in a park for instance? Most people are far enough away to not be affected by cigarette smoke.

So you are willing to smoke in a public park? What if children were playing and just didn't notice them, as I said before, public smoking endangers not only the smoker but also the people around the smoker, so if you wish to be seen as a good citizen of your nation, I say don't smoke something (in public at-least) that is also being used in: pesticides, rat poison, rocket fuel, etc.

[Condunum]

But being in a school or hospital, for the most part, is not being "outside".



Depending on where you are at any given time, council, public, commercial or private property.



I don't consider my front lawn to be a public place (despite what the neighbourhood kids and drunks think). Nor do I imagine that the military or the owners of a factory or a commercial seaport for example would consider their respective premises to be public property.



What about in a park for instance? Most people are far enough away to not be affected by cigarette smoke.

So you are willing to smoke in a public park? What if children were playing and just didn't notice them, as I said before, public smoking endangers not only the smoker but also the people around the smoker, so if you wish to be seen as a good citizen of your nation, I say don't smoke something (in public at-least) that is also being used in: pesticides, rat poison, rocket fuel, etc.

Oh, the chemicals argument. Swell.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

What is outside, gentlemen? Is it not a public place? Unless of-course you smoke within your own property, fine by me, at-least no one is close enough to breathe that in...

You really suck at this. Horribly.

Please tell, where do I suck? Hmm??? These are truths that you know are true of-course assuming you went to health class when you were 9... But nonetheless, what is bothering you, enlighten me, sir...

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

So you are willing to smoke in a public park? What if children were playing and just didn't notice them, as I said before, public smoking endangers not only the smoker but also the people around the smoker, so if you wish to be seen as a good citizen of your nation, I say don't smoke something (in public at-least) that is also being used in: pesticides, rat poison, rocket fuel, etc.

Oh, the chemicals argument. Swell.

Well, is it not true? Tell me is it true or not, gentlemen?

[Condunum]

You really suck at this. Horribly.

Please tell, where do I suck? Hmm??? These are truths that you know are true of-course assuming you went to health class when you were 9... But nonetheless, what is bothering you, enlighten me, sir...

Let me highlight it for you.

What he said:

So, what you're saying is that I am endangering the lives of children by saying that smoking should be allowed outside?

What you said in response:

Schools and hospitals are public places.

outside?

Schools and hospitals

[Condunum]

Oh, the chemicals argument. Swell.

Well, is it not true? Tell me is it true or not, gentlemen?

I am not more than one man, nor am I a 'gentleman' at all.

Sure it's true. It's also true that many chemicals you will find in your daily life are in numerous deadly things. Now, this isn't to say that some of those chemicals in cigarettes aren't bad for you, but the argument is rather useless, considering many of the chemicals in cigarettes are there for good reason. Usually to lighten the harsh sting that pure tobacco can give.

[Kamchastkia]

I really don't see the big fuckin' deal with this. People smoke, get over it. You aren't going to stop it with your petty laws. If you wanna go kill yourself quicker, knock yourself out. This is coming from someone who has lived with smokers all my life .

[Ayreonia]

As a smoker myself, I believe that it shouldn't be restricted more than it is now. I never even smoke indoors, I avoid most smoking rooms (except the one at work) like the plague, because even if properly ventilated, I feel like I'm suffocating whenever I enter one. When in a public place, I take care not to blow my smoke in anybody's face, and even hold my breath if I'm passing children or pregnant women. I consider myself a considerate smoker (heh).

But come on, banning smoking on the streets because it spoils the air? Second-hand smoke is peanuts compared to exhaust gases.

[Condunum]

I really don't see the big fuckin' deal with this. People smoke, get over it. You aren't going to stop it with your petty laws. If you wanna go kill yourself quicker, knock yourself out. This is coming from someone who has lived with smokers all my life .

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I really don't see the big fuckin' deal with this. People smoke, get over it. You aren't going to stop it with your petty laws. If you wanna go kill yourself quicker, knock yourself out. This is coming from someone who has lived with smokers all my life .

Then you must be in ill health, I assume...

[Costa Alegria]

So you are willing to smoke in a public park?

Firstly, I don't smoke and have chosen not to. Secondly, why not? It's an open space with plenty of ventilation and opportunities for "heath" conscious individuals such as yourself to avoid someone smoking. And if you're so worried about toxins and chemicals in the air getting into your lungs and whatnot, I'm assuming you wouldn't be opposed to tougher environmental laws.

[Condunum]

Funny thing, the times I smoke are:

When I'm in my room.
When I'm walking to work.
When I'm in someone's house who smokes.
On break at work.
When I'm walking with friends, almost all of whom also smoke.
When Driving.

These are, funnily enough, some of the most common times people smoke.

[Condunum]

I really don't see the big fuckin' deal with this. People smoke, get over it. You aren't going to stop it with your petty laws. If you wanna go kill yourself quicker, knock yourself out. This is coming from someone who has lived with smokers all my life .

Then you must be in ill health, I assume...

He probably isn't. I'm not.

[Costa Alegria]

I really don't see the big fuckin' deal with this. People smoke, get over it. You aren't going to stop it with your petty laws. If you wanna go kill yourself quicker, knock yourself out. This is coming from someone who has lived with smokers all my life .

Then you must be in ill health, I assume...

Indeed. In fact, he's posting here explaining about how dead he is.

[Kamchastkia]

I really don't see the big fuckin' deal with this. People smoke, get over it. You aren't going to stop it with your petty laws. If you wanna go kill yourself quicker, knock yourself out. This is coming from someone who has lived with smokers all my life .

Then you must be in ill health, I assume...

Yes, I'm fucking dieing, it's so obvious I have to post about it for the first time ever in this thread. The only one who has illnesses or side-effects from smoking in my house are the people who fucking smoke. Who woulda thought!?! I've seen the affects of smoking, and will never do it myself. I personally don't want to die like my Great Aunt.

[Jassysworth 1]

we need to get rid of all the smokers... somehow...

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Please tell, where do I suck? Hmm??? These are truths that you know are true of-course assuming you went to health class when you were 9... But nonetheless, what is bothering you, enlighten me, sir...

Let me highlight it for you.

What he said:

So, what you're saying is that I am endangering the lives of children by saying that smoking should be allowed outside?

What you said in response:

Schools and hospitals are public places.

outside?

Schools and hospitals

Anyway, this is my response, schools and hospitals have courtyards have they not, well at-least some of them, what if you lived next to a hospital with a courtyard, or you are just next door to a public school, don't you think your second hand smoke will get to them somehow?