Smoking In Public

[Occupied Deutschland]

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I sound like a damn libertarian now, thank you very much.

Hey, some ideologies promise cookies, some promise the upholding of the 'social good' and moral values, us libertarians?

Cigarettes and moral depravity to your heart's content. Eventually anyone any fun sounds like one of us.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

I try that but it travels everywhere. ;~; I usually stand thirty or more feet away from everywhere else but the only place the smoke doesn't go is the far back in the field which is even worse than smoke. :V

You know, granted I smoke, but smoke doesn't permeate areas like that. If you stand a while away and up wind you will be fine. If not, just deal with it, don't ruin it for everyone else cause you can't suck it up for a couple minutes each day. Your not going to get cancer or the like from that.

Oh I don't ruin it for anyone else.
I'm pretty much the definition of sucking it up, with a little bit of bitching about it online. ;v
Don't support bans or complain and yell at smokers.
If I could just wear my gas mask around in public it'd be all good. :V
It could just be the area, I dunno though. The smoke really gets around for whatever reason.

[Pillea]

You know, granted I smoke, but smoke doesn't permeate areas like that. If you stand a while away and up wind you will be fine. If not, just deal with it, don't ruin it for everyone else cause you can't suck it up for a couple minutes each day. Your not going to get cancer or the like from that.

Oh I don't ruin it for anyone else.
I'm pretty much the definition of sucking it up, with a little bit of bitching about it online. ;v
Don't support bans or complain and yell at smokers.
If I could just wear my gas mask around in public it'd be all good. :V
It could just be the area, I dunno though. The smoke really gets around for whatever reason.

I can sympathize if it means anything. I'm a tobacco snob, so most cigarette smoke is vile to me, and there are some places it does seem to defy physics and just linger.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

Oh I don't ruin it for anyone else.
I'm pretty much the definition of sucking it up, with a little bit of bitching about it online. ;v
Don't support bans or complain and yell at smokers.
If I could just wear my gas mask around in public it'd be all good. :V
It could just be the area, I dunno though. The smoke really gets around for whatever reason.

I can sympathize if it means anything. I'm a tobacco snob, so most cigarette smoke is vile to me, and there are some places it does seem to defy physics and just linger.

It's completely open, so it doesn't make sense to me. :V Shouldn't the open air and no buildings within a hundred yards or so make it disperse quickly? But no. ._. At the bus stop it's like a small vortex just surrounds the area.

[Ironrite]

Eh, ban it, it's horrible for your health and for those around you. A great alternative people have found are e-cigs

[Pillea]

Eh, ban it, it's horrible for your health and for those around you. A great alternative people have found are e-cigs

That'd be a mighty nasty blow to the economy. What with the massively large tobacco farming industry.

[The Steel Magnolia]

When I have to pay 6.57$ for a pack of smokes, because of crazy taxes that are partially put into place to discourage smoking, I'm gonna smoke outside. Why? I don't like the smell of stale smoke, and I like the outside breeze. Also cause I smoke to deal with rampant anxiety issues, sure Xanax is cheaper but this way I can have something as an emergency tool.
Why else? Because I'm legally allowed to smoke outside, and I damn well will if I want.

I don't give a rats arse what you pay for smokes. There is no expressed legal right to smoke wherever you please therefore being allowed to legally smoke anywhere outside could change at any given minute.

It could.

And the U.S. government could order the fifth fleet to bomb Seoul.

[The Steel Magnolia]

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I sound like a damn libertarian now, thank you very much.

Hey, some ideologies promise cookies, some promise the upholding of the 'social good' and moral values, us libertarians?

Cigarettes and moral depravity to your heart's content. Eventually anyone any fun sounds like one of us.

Heh.

Well I've been moderating as I've aged.

[Vitaphone Racing]

You don't have a legal right to smoke so what you feel about your personal liberties doesn't matter the least bit. Likewise it's not up to you to determine whether or not everybody else should "fucking deal with it" when it comes to inhaling unwanted fumes. We already regulated tough exhaust restrictions on cars which you happily point to in defence, why should smokers be immune to further regulation?

Which is why we no longer smoke indoors.

People have scent allergies that can require them to be hospitalized. How dare we allow people to wear strong perfumes, outdoors!

Your 'right' to not have a breath of secondhand smoke is not worth the restriction in personal liberty, especially considering the additional taxation smokers already face.

I sound like a damn libertarian now, thank you very much.

You don't get to decide what is a worthwhile restriction of "personal liberty", society does. All of this is sort of irrelevant to my question of why smokers should be immune from any further regulations about where they can smoke. Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

I don't give a rats arse what you pay for smokes. There is no expressed legal right to smoke wherever you please therefore being allowed to legally smoke anywhere outside could change at any given minute.

It could.

And the U.S. government could order the fifth fleet to bomb Seoul.

Were you just itching to make a humorous response then? I didn't think the likelihood of an occurrence had anything to do with my point of smoking outside not being protected from changes to the law.

[The Steel Magnolia]

...Perhaps I've misunderstood you then. Are you merely arguing that it's possible? Or that it's desirable?

Because one is accurate.

Besides, "society" doesn't seem to think that a ban on smoking in public places is a good use of time or money. Hence, of course, the reason I can smoke on the sidewalk.

[Occupied Deutschland]

You don't get to decide what is a worthwhile restriction of "personal liberty", society does. All of this is sort of irrelevant to my question of why smokers should be immune from any further regulations about where they can smoke. Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

Smokers contribute more to society than nonsmokers, at great risk to themselves for that matter. I don't expect any thanks, but don't try to limit how much I serve my country because my greater level of patriotism and bigger heart make you uncomfortable. If you cared about people as much as I do you'd smoke too.

To be more serious, the only reason to ban smoking in any public places is for some people to swing around their massive morality penis and loudly declare how much more bigger their morality penis is than smokers morality penis.
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I guess that wasn't much more serious was it?

[Condunum]

...Perhaps I've misunderstood you then. Are you merely arguing that it's possible? Or that it's desirable?

Because one is accurate.

Besides, "society" doesn't seem to think that a ban on smoking in public places is a good use of time or money. Hence, of course, the reason I can smoke on the sidewalk.

I don't see how anyone could view it as possible, at least in this day and age.

[Vitaphone Racing]

...Perhaps I've misunderstood you then. Are you merely arguing that it's possible? Or that it's desirable?

Because one is accurate.

Besides, "society" doesn't seem to think that a ban on smoking in public places is a good use of time or money. Hence, of course, the reason I can smoke on the sidewalk.

I am arguing that a ban on public smoking would indeed be possible although I don't desire such a law. That aside, I still think current "anti-smoking" laws should go further than what they already do.

[Condunum]

You don't get to decide what is a worthwhile restriction of "personal liberty", society does. All of this is sort of irrelevant to my question of why smokers should be immune from any further regulations about where they can smoke. Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

Smokers contribute more to society than nonsmokers, at great risk to themselves for that matter. I don't expect any thanks, but don't try to limit how much I serve my country because my greater level of patriotism and bigger heart make you uncomfortable. If you cared about people as much as I do you'd smoke too.

To be more serious, the only reason to ban smoking in any public places is for some people to swing around their massive morality penis and loudly declare how much more bigger their morality penis is than smokers morality penis.
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I guess that wasn't much more serious was it?

This is the best thing I have read in a smoking thread ever.

[The Steel Magnolia]

You don't get to decide what is a worthwhile restriction of "personal liberty", society does. All of this is sort of irrelevant to my question of why smokers should be immune from any further regulations about where they can smoke. Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

Smokers contribute more to society than nonsmokers, at great risk to themselves for that matter. I don't expect any thanks, but don't try to limit how much I serve my country because my greater level of patriotism and bigger heart make you uncomfortable. If you cared about people as much as I do you'd smoke too.

To be more serious, the only reason to ban smoking in any public places is for some people to swing around their massive morality penis and loudly declare how much more bigger their morality penis is than smokers morality penis.
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I guess that wasn't much more serious was it?

I approve of this post.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

You don't get to decide what is a worthwhile restriction of "personal liberty", society does. All of this is sort of irrelevant to my question of why smokers should be immune from any further regulations about where they can smoke. Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

Smokers contribute more to society than nonsmokers, at great risk to themselves for that matter. I don't expect any thanks, but don't try to limit how much I serve my country because my greater level of patriotism and bigger heart make you uncomfortable. If you cared about people as much as I do you'd smoke too.

To be more serious, the only reason to ban smoking in any public places is for some people to swing around their massive morality penis and loudly declare how much more bigger their morality penis is than smokers morality penis.
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I guess that wasn't much more serious was it?

So it's morality penis versus very phallic object in mouth users.
Dammit Freud.

[The Steel Magnolia]

...Perhaps I've misunderstood you then. Are you merely arguing that it's possible? Or that it's desirable?

Because one is accurate.

Besides, "society" doesn't seem to think that a ban on smoking in public places is a good use of time or money. Hence, of course, the reason I can smoke on the sidewalk.

I don't see how anyone could view it as possible, at least in this day and age.

Well, possible within the sense that it's entirely possible that the NWO is real and we're all secretly implanted with Jewish control chips.

[Ironrite]

Eh, ban it, it's horrible for your health and for those around you. A great alternative people have found are e-cigs

That'd be a mighty nasty blow to the economy. What with the massively large tobacco farming industry.

The possibilities, I do cede to ou though, as know realize some flaws in my logic

[Welstonia (Ancient)]

You know, granted I smoke, but smoke doesn't permeate areas like that. If you stand a while away and up wind you will be fine. If not, just deal with it, don't ruin it for everyone else cause you can't suck it up for a couple minutes each day. Your not going to get cancer or the like from that.

Oh I don't ruin it for anyone else.
I'm pretty much the definition of sucking it up, with a little bit of bitching about it online. ;v
Don't support bans or complain and yell at smokers.
If I could just wear my gas mask around in public it'd be all good. :V
It could just be the area, I dunno though. The smoke really gets around for whatever reason.

If your just bitching online than I guess you are, I assumed you were supporting outdoor bans. The problem is, most of the hardline anti smoking people are highly inconsiderate, and over react to outdoor smoke, like the fake coughing when they are up wind and across the street.

[Pillea]

You don't get to decide what is a worthwhile restriction of "personal liberty", society does. All of this is sort of irrelevant to my question of why smokers should be immune from any further regulations about where they can smoke. Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

Smokers contribute more to society than nonsmokers, at great risk to themselves for that matter. I don't expect any thanks, but don't try to limit how much I serve my country because my greater level of patriotism and bigger heart make you uncomfortable. If you cared about people as much as I do you'd smoke too.

To be more serious, the only reason to ban smoking in any public places is for some people to swing around their massive morality penis and loudly declare how much more bigger their morality penis is than smokers morality penis.
...
I guess that wasn't much more serious was it?

I've never felt more patriotic in my whole life.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

Oh I don't ruin it for anyone else.
I'm pretty much the definition of sucking it up, with a little bit of bitching about it online. ;v
Don't support bans or complain and yell at smokers.
If I could just wear my gas mask around in public it'd be all good. :V
It could just be the area, I dunno though. The smoke really gets around for whatever reason.

If your just bitching online than I guess you are, I assumed you were supporting outdoor bans. The problem is, most of the hardline anti smoking people are highly inconsiderate, and over react to outdoor smoke, like the fake coughing when they are up wind and across the street.

Nah, I wouldn't support a ban on it. :v I'd just appreciate it if people kept their smoke away from me. If not oh well. :V
Mm, smoking does make me cough, but I don't over-exaggerate it. My lungs suck. Allergies, asthma, and I've had a nagging cough for about half a year now. :v

[Costa Alegria]

And you're also a lot further away from it.

No you're not.

And exhaust gas from cars is either emitted extremely low or extremely high to minimize the chance of someone breathing it in.

Bullshit. You breathe in more fumes from motor vehicles than you do from ninja smokers.

Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

And your entire argument of "ban smoking because it annoys me" is apparently the single best argument put forward in the history of internet debates?

And roads, unlike many pedestrian footpaths, are not covered to trap exhausts.

Right, because every pedestrian footpath is covered.

[Costa Alegria]

I don't give a rats arse what you pay for smokes. There is no expressed legal right to smoke wherever you please therefore being allowed to legally smoke anywhere outside could change at any given minute.

Same thing goes for driving. You don't have a legal right to use a motor vehicle and pollute the atmosphere as you do so.

[Condunum]

And you're also a lot further away from it.

No you're not.

And exhaust gas from cars is either emitted extremely low or extremely high to minimize the chance of someone breathing it in.

Bullshit. You breathe in more fumes from motor vehicles than you do from ninja smokers.

Already complying to some regulations is a really poor excuse.

And your entire argument of "ban smoking because it annoys me" is apparently the single best argument put forward in the history of internet debates?

And roads, unlike many pedestrian footpaths, are not covered to trap exhausts.

Right, because every pedestrian footpath is covered.

Hell, most pedestrian footpaths are completely open.

[Welstonia (Ancient)]

If your just bitching online than I guess you are, I assumed you were supporting outdoor bans. The problem is, most of the hardline anti smoking people are highly inconsiderate, and over react to outdoor smoke, like the fake coughing when they are up wind and across the street.

Nah, I wouldn't support a ban on it. :v I'd just appreciate it if people kept their smoke away from me. If not oh well. :V
Mm, smoking does make me cough, but I don't over-exaggerate it. My lungs suck. Allergies, asthma, and I've had a nagging cough for about half a year now. :v

Usually if you ask really politely people smokers will move or atempt to avoid blowing in your face, at least here, I don't know where you are from. But yeah, sorry if I came across as an ass.