Venezuelan election thread

[The Godly Nations]

It worked before.

Times change. News travels much faster. The World is more engaged. If US was to try something like that, there'd be a massive blowback in all of Latin America, including Mexico, and with the whole Drug War thingy, US needs at least a decent reputation in Mexico.

We can still do things covertly, sir, being clandestine is all that is needful. I believe we have an entire agency staffed with people trained to do these sort of things.

[Shofercia]

Are you seriously praising a delusional man who took Chavez's place illegally?

Delusional he may be, but he took Chavez's place legally. The audit will prove that and the attacks from Lulzsec already prove it. Lulzsec is known for Sabu, who as we all know was an American government agent. Therefore an attack from Lulzsec is basically the U.S. having a temper tantrum because they lost. Now I understand your ideology conflicts with socialism but that doesn't mean the elections were rigged. Your guy lost, get over it and deal with it like an adult.

What's lulzsec?

[Liriena]

Are you seriously praising a delusional man who took Chavez's place illegally?

Delusional he may be, but he took Chavez's place legally. The audit will prove that and the attacks from Lulzsec already prove it. Lulzsec is known for Sabu, who as we all know was an American government agent. Therefore an attack from Lulzsec is basically the U.S. having a temper tantrum because they lost. Now I understand your ideology conflicts with socialism but that doesn't mean the elections were rigged. Your guy lost, get over it and deal with it like an adult.

When Chavez died, Maduro was only vicepresident elect. He had no right to take his place, under Chavez's own constitution. His presidential campaign and election may be legitimate, but his administration, until he starts his next term, is de facto, not legitimate.

[Ensiferum]

Delusional he may be, but he took Chavez's place legally. The audit will prove that and the attacks from Lulzsec already prove it. Lulzsec is known for Sabu, who as we all know was an American government agent. Therefore an attack from Lulzsec is basically the U.S. having a temper tantrum because they lost. Now I understand your ideology conflicts with socialism but that doesn't mean the elections were rigged. Your guy lost, get over it and deal with it like an adult.

What's lulzsec?

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

[Shofercia]

Times change. News travels much faster. The World is more engaged. If US was to try something like that, there'd be a massive blowback in all of Latin America, including Mexico, and with the whole Drug War thingy, US needs at least a decent reputation in Mexico.

We can still do things covertly, sir, being clandestine is all that is needful. I believe we have an entire agency staffed with people trained to do these sort of things.

Erm, you do understand that if Maduro disappears, or is killed, there aren't going to be too many countries to look at, right? It's a bit hard to be clandestine, when everyone wearing countryless assassin clothing is presumed to be from the US. You're going to be tried, and convicted rather fast, in the Court of Public Opinion, where all of the clandestine ops won't mean very much.

[Liriena]

What's lulzsec?

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

Could we not entertain conspiracy theories regarding the FBI or the CIA? I've already had it with Maduro's claim that the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

[Ensiferum]

Delusional he may be, but he took Chavez's place legally. The audit will prove that and the attacks from Lulzsec already prove it. Lulzsec is known for Sabu, who as we all know was an American government agent. Therefore an attack from Lulzsec is basically the U.S. having a temper tantrum because they lost. Now I understand your ideology conflicts with socialism but that doesn't mean the elections were rigged. Your guy lost, get over it and deal with it like an adult.

When Chavez died, Maduro was only vicepresident elect. He had no right to take his place, under Chavez's own constitution. His presidential campaign and election may be legitimate, but his administration, until he starts his next term, is de facto, not legitimate.

His term is legitimate now, his term before this was not. However, extenuating circumstances say otherwise. The U.S. committed an act of war on Maduro today, that alone says that this would be an extenuating circumstance.

[Shofercia]

What's lulzsec?

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

So they're like America's Government version of Anon, that quite a few people know about? Doesn't that make them not Anon anymore?

[Kalrathia]

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

Could we not entertain conspiracy theories regarding the FBI or the CIA? I've already had it with Maduro's claim that the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

Out of my cheering for the man

He is a bit....Off on that one

[Ensiferum]

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

Could we not entertain conspiracy theories regarding the FBI or the CIA? I've already had it with Maduro's claim that the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

It's not a theory. Sabu was an informant. That is a legitimate fact. Even the FBI admitted it.

[Mike the Progressive]

When Chavez died, Maduro was only vicepresident elect. He had no right to take his place, under Chavez's own constitution. His presidential campaign and election may be legitimate, but his administration, until he starts his next term, is de facto, not legitimate.

His term is legitimate now, his term before this was not. However, extenuating circumstances say otherwise. The U.S. committed an act of war on Maduro today, that alone says that this would be an extenuating circumstance.

Sauce?

[The Godly Nations]

Erm, you do understand that if Maduro disappears, or is killed, there aren't going to be too many countries to look at, right? It's a bit hard to be clandestine, when everyone wearing countryless assassin clothing is presumed to be from the US. You're going to be tried, and convicted rather fast, in the Court of Public Opinion, where all of the clandestine ops won't mean very much.

No, I meant we get a disgruntled general or two, give them money and arms under the sly, and have them coup this illegitimate government.

[Kalrathia]

Erm, you do understand that if Maduro disappears, or is killed, there aren't going to be too many countries to look at, right? It's a bit hard to be clandestine, when everyone wearing countryless assassin clothing is presumed to be from the US. You're going to be tried, and convicted rather fast, in the Court of Public Opinion, where all of the clandestine ops won't mean very much.

No, I meant we get a disgruntled general or two, give them money under the sly, and have them coup this illegitimate government.

Venezuela is a Government of the People!

Amercia has tryed a Coup before, It failed!

[Ensiferum]

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

So they're like America's Government version of Anon, that quite a few people know about? Doesn't that make them not Anon anymore?

Anon pretty much fell apart if you didn't know. Mostly American ultra-conservatives now. Lulzsec was just an offshoot of Anon in it's glory days, mostly British actually. One of the deals for Sabu not getting charged was for him to rat on Lulzsec and Anon, that's where the majority of the arrests have come from. Again not a conspiracy, it's mentioned in many court hearings.

[Liriena]

When Chavez died, Maduro was only vicepresident elect. He had no right to take his place, under Chavez's own constitution. His presidential campaign and election may be legitimate, but his administration, until he starts his next term, is de facto, not legitimate.

His term is legitimate now, his term before this was not. However, extenuating circumstances say otherwise. The U.S. committed an act of war on Maduro today, that alone says that this would be an extenuating circumstance.

Non sequitur.

[Mike the Progressive]

So they're like America's Government version of Anon, that quite a few people know about? Doesn't that make them not Anon anymore?

Anon pretty much fell apart if you didn't know. Mostly American ultra-conservatives now. Lulzsec was just an offshoot of Anon in it's glory days, mostly British actually. One of the deals for Sabu not getting charged was for him to rat on Lulzsec and Anon, that's where the majority of the arrests have come from. Again not a conspiracy, it's mentioned in many court hearings.

But how is the government involved?

[Liriena]

Could we not entertain conspiracy theories regarding the FBI or the CIA? I've already had it with Maduro's claim that the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

Out of my cheering for the man

He is a bit....Off on that one

A bit? He's bloody insane!
And so are some of his buddies! One of them went as far as claiming that Chavez got cancer when he shook hands with Hillary Clinton!

[Shofercia]

Hacker group, most commonly known for Sabu who was an FBI informant. They did a lot of work during Operation Payback when they took down Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, etc. over the whole Wikileaks thing. They broke up after the whole Sabu thing but now they're "back" and everyone can see them for the FBI offshoot they really are.

Could we not entertain conspiracy theories regarding the FBI or the CIA? I've already had it with Maduro's claim that the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

A very smart thing to do for Maduro. If it's true or not, that doesn't matter. If Maduro's health suddenly dropped, after Maduro made that claim, welp, guess which country, and more importantly for Maduro's Party, which country's supporters in Venezuela, are going to be taking the heat? And the fact that US had a series of special op missions in Latin America won't help the matter. It was a smart political move to make, and Maduro made it. And since Chavez was popular, and he nominated Maduro, it means that it'll be easy for Maduro to be elected. So by making that claim, Maduro kept his party in power, irrespective of what happened to his health.

[Kalrathia]

Out of my cheering for the man

He is a bit....Off on that one

A bit? He's bloody insane!
And so are some of his buddies! One of them went as far as claiming that Chavez got cancer when he shook hands with Hillary Clinton!

It's all in a Propaganda campgain, Nations have done it for years.

[Shofercia]

Erm, you do understand that if Maduro disappears, or is killed, there aren't going to be too many countries to look at, right? It's a bit hard to be clandestine, when everyone wearing countryless assassin clothing is presumed to be from the US. You're going to be tried, and convicted rather fast, in the Court of Public Opinion, where all of the clandestine ops won't mean very much.

No, I meant we get a disgruntled general or two, give them money and arms under the sly, and have them coup this illegitimate government.

Without America's military aid, have you any idea how quickly they'll be crushed? Why did you think that Venezuela and Russia conducted all those joint trainings? And with America's military aid, what do you think that'll do to public opinion in Latin America?

Face it guys, you LOST in Venezuela. Wait for the next elections. After all, don't you just love democracy? I'd say that US exported democracy to Venezuela rather nicely

[Liriena]

A bit? He's bloody insane!
And so are some of his buddies! One of them went as far as claiming that Chavez got cancer when he shook hands with Hillary Clinton!

It's all in a Propaganda campgain, Nations have done it for years.

That doesn't excuse it.

[Liriena]

Could we not entertain conspiracy theories regarding the FBI or the CIA? I've already had it with Maduro's claim that the CIA gave Chavez cancer.

A very smart thing to do for Maduro. If it's true or not, that doesn't matter. If Maduro's health suddenly dropped, after Maduro made that claim, welp, guess which country, and more importantly for Maduro's Party, which country's supporters in Venezuela, are going to be taking the heat? And the fact that US had a series of special op missions in Latin America won't help the matter. It was a smart political move to make, and Maduro made it. And since Chavez was popular, and he nominated Maduro, it means that it'll be easy for Maduro to be elected. So by making that claim, Maduro kept his party in power, irrespective of what happened to his health.

Maduro also said that, if anyone killed Capriles, it was the CIA's fault.

[Ensiferum]

His term is legitimate now, his term before this was not. However, extenuating circumstances say otherwise. The U.S. committed an act of war on Maduro today, that alone says that this would be an extenuating circumstance.

Sauce?

Lulzsec took over his, and many of the government's, twitter accounts. According to the U.S. a cyber attack is an act of war. Lulzsec had ties to the FBI. Therefore the FBI is most likely the culprit, therefore the FBI, and by extension the U.S., have committed an act of war on Maduro.

Lulzsec attacks Maduro's Twitter(yeah yeah Russia Today isn't the most credible but if one was to go on twitter they would have noticed, as far as I know the tweets should still be there)

http://rt.com/news/venezuela-presidenti ... sults-853/

U.S. Plans to Destabilize the Venezuelan Government

http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.ph ... 1314919461

Sabu working for the FBI
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/06/lulzsec-sabu-working-for-us-fbi

[Kalrathia]

No, I meant we get a disgruntled general or two, give them money and arms under the sly, and have them coup this illegitimate government.

Without America's aid, have you any idea how quickly they'll be crushed? Why did you think that Venezuela and Russia conducted all those joint trainings?

Face it guys, you LOST in Venezuela. Wait for the next elections. After all, don't you just love democracy? I'd say that US exported democracy to Venezuela rather nicely

VIVA! VIVA! VIVA! MADURO!

Come on, You know you love it

[Shofercia]

A very smart thing to do for Maduro. If it's true or not, that doesn't matter. If Maduro's health suddenly dropped, after Maduro made that claim, welp, guess which country, and more importantly for Maduro's Party, which country's supporters in Venezuela, are going to be taking the heat? And the fact that US had a series of special op missions in Latin America won't help the matter. It was a smart political move to make, and Maduro made it. And since Chavez was popular, and he nominated Maduro, it means that it'll be easy for Maduro to be elected. So by making that claim, Maduro kept his party in power, irrespective of what happened to his health.

Maduro also said that, if anyone killed Capriles, it was the CIA's fault.

And Hank Jefferson said that Guam might capsize. Politicians are supposed to say stupid things. It's their actions that matter, not their words, which are there for us to laugh at.