Venezuelan election thread

[The Godly Nations]

Well, I think that the Venezuelan people should choose the best candidate for our interest. As one can see, Hugo Chavez, and likely Maduro, was a populistic communist dictator who hates Freedom, and the people, unable to understand our interest, voted for them. To this effect, I think the West needs to interfere in this election to make sure that Maduro doesn't win. I would like to remind everyone here what happened when we let the ignorant people to themselves, they will make mistakes, like they did with Chavez, like the Haitan people did with Mr Aristide, and innumerable others.

[4years]

Maduro is not Chavez. Yes he will most likely continue Chavez political ideas but he really needs to do something about the economy and important infrastructure. If Maduro loses it will be bad news for Nicaragua and certain other nations which get financial help from Venezuela.

This Capriles seems to be like those prior Venezuelan leaders of decades ago that got Venezuela into economic problems in the first place.


So finally we all know Venezuela is far from being communist. In the US and other places some were saying Venezuela was communist. So if they were why are they having a new election after just having had one. Why not just make VP. Maduro President. They could have dragged there feet and have done it. There Supreme Court would most likely have supported that move. But they did not. They instead opted for new elections has written in there constitution. So when it comes to this particular election, Venezuela seems to be more democratic then the US. Remember that unbelieveable Florida election fiasco some years back.

You don't seem to know what communism is....
Of course Venezuela is more democratic then the US it has been since the new constitution was ratified years ago.

[4years]

Well, I think that the Venezuelan people should choose the best candidate for our interest. As one can see, Hugo Chavez, and likely Maduro, was a populistic communist dictator who hates Freedom, and the people, unable to understand our interest, voted for them. To this effect, I think the West needs to interfere in this election to make sure that Maduro doesn't win. I would like to remind everyone here what happened when we let the ignorant people to themselves, they will make mistakes, like they did with Chavez, like the Haitan people did with Mr Aristide, and innumerable others.

So basically your saying screw democracy and national self detrimination in favor of the western imperialist countries imposing whomever they damn well please?
You do know how that usually ends, right?

[The Godly Nations]

So basically your saying screw democracy and national self detrimination in favor of the western imperialist countries imposing whomever they damn well please?
You do know how that usually ends, right?

I wouldn't say that, only that the ignorant people usually outnumber the sensible people- for example, we can see that Chavez Policies were directed towards the poor and illiterate, rather than the right minded bourgeois, who are the source of Venezuelan wealth, and whose capital allow them to invest in Venezuela, and who, having sent their children here to be educated, understand well our common interests. Since Venezuela is dominated by demogogues like Chavez and his sucessor Maduro, who cynically employ these tactics to woo the poor majority in order to keep themselves in power, it would, in the long run, hurt our interests. And that's just terrible.

[Kvatchdom]

So basically your saying screw democracy and national self detrimination in favor of the western imperialist countries imposing whomever they damn well please?
You do know how that usually ends, right?

I wouldn't say that, only that the ignorant people usually outnumber the sensible people- for example, we can see that Chavez Policies were directed towards the poor and illiterate, rather than the right minded bourgeois, who are the source of Venezuelan wealth, and whose capital allow them to invest in Venezuela, and who, having sent their children here to be educated, understand well our common interests. Since Venezuela is dominated by demogogues like Chavez and his sucessor Maduro, who cynically employ these tactics to woo the poor majority in order to keep themselves in power, it would, in the long run, hurt our interests. And that's just terrible.

Reducing poverty by 75%+ is a big achievement, don't you think?

[The Godly Nations]

Reducing poverty by 75%+ is a big achievement, don't you think?

It is like the difference between a Soviet Missile aimed at your country, and a Free Missile aimed at your country- the former is evil, and should be fought back against at all cost, and the other is for your own good.

Now, if he reduced poverty by 75%, he did so under the condition of his communisitic tyranny.

But if they were poor and starving in our interest, then it is for the common good.

[Kvatchdom]

Reducing poverty by 75%+ is a big achievement, don't you think?

It is like the difference between a Soviet Missile aimed at your country, and a Free Missile aimed at your country- the former is evil, and should be fought back against at all cost, and the other is for your own good.

Now, if he reduced poverty by 75%, he did so under the condition of his communisitic tyranny.

But if they were poor and starving in our interest, then it is for the common good.

Why the hell are you linking Venezuela to Soviets? Human rights watches and several other indicators agree that the Venezuelan election was democratic. No missiles are for good.

Venezuela, as agreed by the world, is a democratic nation with elections. The ruling party is Socialist, not communist, and has never aimed at communism or supported communism. Chavez was fairly elected into a democracy, which the US tried to end with it's coup.

Common good my ass. Have some responsibility or stop claiming to be a free nation.

[Rio Cana]

Biggest question in my opinion is who's gonna fix the fuckin' crime.

The problems with crime is not new for Venezuela. Its an old issue. They have always had problems with crime.

Time for a story. Was told a story about a couple from our island who moved to Venezuela. This was either in the 40's or 50's. Seems back then, if you migrated to Venezuela you got free land. It was like Free Homesteading. The problem is the land was usually located near the jungles. Anyway, these two people from our island who migrated to Venezuela got there free land. But it seems there was plenty of lawlessness. They say people would come out of the jungle and steal your children. So not wanting there children stolen they bought two huge attack dogs. in the end, they packed up, dogs and all and moved back to our island.

[Kvatchdom]

Biggest question in my opinion is who's gonna fix the fuckin' crime.

The problems with crime is not new for Venezuela. Its an old issue. They have always had problems with crime.

Time for a story. Was told a story about a couple from our island who moved to Venezuela. This was either in the 40's or 50's. Seems back then, if you migrated to Venezuela you got free land. It was like Free Homesteading. The problem is the land was usually located near the jungles. Anyway, these two people from our island who migrated to Venezuela got there free land. But it seems there was plenty of lawlessness. They say people would come out of the jungle and steal your children. So not wanting there children stolen they bought two huge attack dogs. in the end, they packed up, dogs and all and moved back to our island.

It still should be fixed.

[Mike the Progressive]

It is like the difference between a Soviet Missile aimed at your country, and a Free Missile aimed at your country- the former is evil, and should be fought back against at all cost, and the other is for your own good.

Now, if he reduced poverty by 75%, he did so under the condition of his communisitic tyranny.

But if they were poor and starving in our interest, then it is for the common good.

Why the hell are you linking Venezuela to Soviets? Human rights watches and several other indicators agree that the Venezuelan election was democratic. No missiles are for good.

Venezuela, as agreed by the world, is a democratic nation with elections. The ruling party is Socialist, not communist, and has never aimed at communism or supported communism. Chavez was fairly elected into a democracy, which the US tried to end with it's coup.

Common good my ass. Have some responsibility or stop claiming to be a free nation.

When did the US try to stage a coup against Chavez?

And while there is democracy there, I think threatening public workers and using public funds for your campaign is hardly "fair."

[Rio Cana]

Maduro is not Chavez. Yes he will most likely continue Chavez political ideas but he really needs to do something about the economy and important infrastructure. If Maduro loses it will be bad news for Nicaragua and certain other nations which get financial help from Venezuela.

This Capriles seems to be like those prior Venezuelan leaders of decades ago that got Venezuela into economic problems in the first place.


So finally we all know Venezuela is far from being communist. In the US and other places some were saying Venezuela was communist. So if they were why are they having a new election after just having had one. Why not just make VP. Maduro President. They could have dragged there feet and have done it. There Supreme Court would most likely have supported that move. But they did not. They instead opted for new elections has written in there constitution. So when it comes to this particular election, Venezuela seems to be more democratic then the US. Remember that unbelieveable Florida election fiasco some years back.

You don't seem to know what communism is....
Of course Venezuela is more democratic then the US it has been since the new constitution was ratified years ago.

I know Venezuela is not communist. I was just repeating what so called many people in Western nations think say about Venezuela that it was on the road to being communist.

[Ensiferum]

I hope Caprilles loses, it would be a pity to see Venezuela elect someone who prefers coups to fair and free elections. Caprilles is nothing but a would be tyrant.

[Kvatchdom]

Why the hell are you linking Venezuela to Soviets? Human rights watches and several other indicators agree that the Venezuelan election was democratic. No missiles are for good.

Venezuela, as agreed by the world, is a democratic nation with elections. The ruling party is Socialist, not communist, and has never aimed at communism or supported communism. Chavez was fairly elected into a democracy, which the US tried to end with it's coup.

Common good my ass. Have some responsibility or stop claiming to be a free nation.

When did the US try to stage a coup against Chavez?

And while there is democracy there, I think threatening public workers and using public funds for your campaign is hardly "fair."

2002. It was not directly staged by the US, but since the US can be blamed for most autocratic coups in South America in the past hundred years, it's not wild to think they were involved in this as well.

Venezuela is corrupt, that is true. But it always has been, with and without Chavez. That's not something that can be changed quite easily, like with Russia. It's just as much a democracy by international standards as the US is.

[The Godly Nations]

Why the hell are you linking Venezuela to Soviets? Human rights watches and several other indicators agree that the Venezuelan election was democratic. No missiles are for good.

So, the missiles over Lybia were not for good?

As for the Venezuelan Elections, even if it were fair, Chavez had enough time to brainwash his electorates with his dirty communism.

Venezuela, as agreed by the world, is a democratic nation with elections. The ruling party is Socialist, not communist, and has never aimed at communism or supported communism. Chavez was fairly elected into a democracy, which the US tried to end with it's coup.

And rightfully so, for we should not let communist friends of that grand ol' Commie, Castro, rule over any nation, and the coup we supported is thus for Freedom. Beside, didn't Chavez himself landed into his position via a coup?

Common good my ass. Have some responsibility or stop claiming to be a free nation.

We share interest with a significant portion of the Venezuelan population who are currently forced to live through their Communism.

[Ensiferum]

Why the hell are you linking Venezuela to Soviets? Human rights watches and several other indicators agree that the Venezuelan election was democratic. No missiles are for good.

Venezuela, as agreed by the world, is a democratic nation with elections. The ruling party is Socialist, not communist, and has never aimed at communism or supported communism. Chavez was fairly elected into a democracy, which the US tried to end with it's coup.

Common good my ass. Have some responsibility or stop claiming to be a free nation.

When did the US try to stage a coup against Chavez?

And while there is democracy there, I think threatening public workers and using public funds for your campaign is hardly "fair."

In 2002, the U.S. heavily supported the coup but I really doubt they executed it by themselves but without them the coup wouldn't have been nearly as successful as it was. Colin Powell was linked to the coup at the very least.

How is it not fair? Romney and his cronies did the same thing in America. Take the blinders off man, you're generally one of the most respectable people here but today you're just sticking to the party line.

[Kvatchdom]

Why the hell are you linking Venezuela to Soviets? Human rights watches and several other indicators agree that the Venezuelan election was democratic. No missiles are for good.

So, the missiles over Lybia were not for good?

As for the Venezuelan Elections, even if it were fair, Chavez had enough time to brainwash his electorates with his dirty communism.

Venezuela, as agreed by the world, is a democratic nation with elections. The ruling party is Socialist, not communist, and has never aimed at communism or supported communism. Chavez was fairly elected into a democracy, which the US tried to end with it's coup.

And rightfully so, for we should not let communist friends of that grand ol' Commie, Castro, rule over any nation, and the coup we supported is thus for Freedom. Beside, didn't Castro himself landed into his position via a coup?

Common good my ass. Have some responsibility or stop claiming to be a free nation.

We share interest with a significant portion of the Venezuelan population who are currently forced to live through their Communism.

No. Libya's getting worse in many opinions. Gaddafi, even though was a dictator, was surprisingly progressive on several issues.

What the fuck does that even mean? How does a non-communist brainwash people with communism?

He supports a self-proclaimed Communist in a foreign nation, but not his own. He isn't a communist in almost any sense of the word. Castro won by coup, yes. And I don't like him. We're talking of Chavez, not Castro.

Forced? ugh, I can't deal with all this nonsense anymore. Chavez is not a communist, Venezuela is a democracy, and the people are doing extremely better than they were ten years ago in Venezuela. You can't decide that Chavez is bad simply because you don't agree with him, genius.

[Threlizdun]

Maduro will most likely win the popular vote, though he would likely still end up winning the election anyways even if he didn't. I suppose there have been fair amounts of improvement under the Chavez government however, even with some of its more authoritarian members. Assuming Maduro continues to act more or less as Chavez did, he appears to be a better candidate than Capriles.

[The Godly Nations]

No. Libya's getting worse in many opinions. Gaddafi, even though was a dictator, was surprisingly progressive on several issues.

So that makes up for locking up political prisoners and being completely insane.

What the fuck does that even mean? How does a non-communist brainwash people with communism?

Chavez is a communist who sneaks in communism and brainwash his electorate with communism.

He supports a self-proclaimed Communist in a foreign nation, but not his own. He isn't a communist in almost any sense of the word. Castro won by coup, yes. And I don't like him. We're talking of Chavez, not Castro.

A mix-up, sorry, but Chavez got to where he was with a coup, didn't he?

Forced? ugh, I can't deal with all this nonsense anymore. Chavez is not a communist, Venezuela is a democracy, and the people are doing extremely better than they were ten years ago in Venezuela. You can't decide that Chavez is bad simply because you don't agree with him, genius.

Tyranny of the brainwashed plebian majority. I believe this is what Marx called the 'Dictatorship of the Proletarian'

[Ktanval]

I hope Maduro wins because Caprilles is another Neo-Liberal who will ruin the country .

Maduro needs to fix the economy and crime without that it will be hard to continue their Bolivarian revolution .

[Kvatchdom]

No. Libya's getting worse in many opinions. Gaddafi, even though was a dictator, was surprisingly progressive on several issues.

So that makes up for locking up political prisoners and being completely insane.

What the fuck does that even mean? How does a non-communist brainwash people with communism?

Chavez is a communist who sneaks in communism and brainwash his electorate with communism.

He supports a self-proclaimed Communist in a foreign nation, but not his own. He isn't a communist in almost any sense of the word. Castro won by coup, yes. And I don't like him. We're talking of Chavez, not Castro.

A mix-up, sorry, but Chavez got to where he was with a coup, didn't he?

Forced? ugh, I can't deal with all this nonsense anymore. Chavez is not a communist, Venezuela is a democracy, and the people are doing extremely better than they were ten years ago in Venezuela. You can't decide that Chavez is bad simply because you don't agree with him, genius.

Tyranny of the brainwashed plebian majority. I believe this is what Marx called the 'Dictatorship of the Proletarian'

That's what they're still doing in their "democracy". Liberating a nation is good, but not if it's done by a foreign nation.

Chavez is a socialist who has implemented socialist and nationalist policies. He has not "freed" the workers, not has he generated complete workplace democracy. Also, the most important part of communism, anarchy, is very absent of his policies as well.

Chavez got popular with his common man background, and he's most famous for giving everyone a right to a private home. The coup was a boost though, yes, but it was caused by the opposition.

Venezuela is most definitely not a dictatorship of the proletarian. It has a government, and a parliamentary democracy, thus is not a dictatorship of the proletarian. Dictatorship of the proletarian would include worker self-control, no central government, etc.

[Angleter]

I hope Caprilles loses, it would be a pity to see Venezuela elect someone who prefers coups to fair and free elections. Caprilles is nothing but a would be tyrant.

Hmm. That would be terrible.

[Blazedtown]

Elect Halliburton so they can undo everything Chavez worked for and put Venezuela back in America's sandbox.

[Kilobugya]

Maduro will win, as he should, but I hope he'll win with a strong enough victory so the opposition won't be able to create chaos. Remember that Capriles Radonski participated in the coup attempt of 2002, he personally participated in assaulting the Cuba embassy and destroying cars, and that recently they uncovered weapons from paramilitaries... if Maduro wins with a short margin, Capriles will refuse to recognize the result (despite the presence of many international observers, from Unasur, Carter Center, ...) and try to create chaos. So I hope Maduro will win with at least as much as Chavez won (55%), enough to make any claim of a fraud be laughable.

[Liriena]

Ugh...Maduro. I pray that the people of Venezuela won't elect that delusional idiot.

[4years]

You don't seem to know what communism is....
Of course Venezuela is more democratic then the US it has been since the new constitution was ratified years ago.

I know Venezuela is not communist. I was just repeating what so called many people in Western nations think say about Venezuela that it was on the road to being communist.

Don't repeat ignorance, it helps a lot. More to the point the many people these days seem to have Stalinism and communism mixed up and your post suggested that you were one of them.