Feminists sabotage yet another talk on men's equality

[The Truth and Light]

Don't trivialize this issue. We're talking about a misogynist meeting on a public university campus.

I mean it's a matter of degree right? If it, were, say, a neo nazi rally and the group was, say, a group of jews and homosexuals who barracaded the doors, pulled the fire alarms, and generally tried to do whatever they could to prevent an assembly of nazis on their campus....I can't say I'd be all that bothered.

I mean, I'm not saying it would be right, but, well...I'd understand.

That would be decent. Then again, what if the actions of that nazi group affected your daily life in a severe way? Then you are completely justified in undermining them at all costs.

[The Rich Port]

"Men's equality"?

Seriously?

[The Truth and Light]

"Men's equality"?

Seriously?

RIGHT?

What is this non-sense?

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you have any proof that it was misogynist.
Incidentally, even if it was, that's no reason to pull fire alarms and barricade doors.

You're going by "/feminists told me it was misogynist. Therefore it must be." never mind that their flier and meeting hammers on the point of gender equality over and over and over.

You're going by the same barometer in the opposite direction.

Not so. Feminists told me there is a pay gap.
I looked at their evidence and accepted it.
They told me it was because of patriarchy.
I asked for evidence, and they flip their shit and call me sexist.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Men's equality"?

Seriously?

RIGHT?

What is this non-sense?

You admitted earlier there are issues which men face in society due to their gender.

[Alimprad]

Normally when im posting on a forum im ranting about why people shouldnt be equal, this is one of the few times I dont think women should be lower than men, but in this day and age, women have rights! WHY THE PROTESTS?

[Neo Art]

I mean it's a matter of degree right? If it, were, say, a neo nazi rally and the group was, say, a group of jews and homosexuals who barracaded the doors, pulled the fire alarms, and generally tried to do whatever they could to prevent an assembly of nazis on their campus....I can't say I'd be all that bothered.

I mean, I'm not saying it would be right, but, well...I'd understand.

It makes sense that you'd be one of those people who "understands" when people use force to prevent ideas spreading.

Do I believe that the use of force is understandable, and at times, even adviseable, to prevent the spread of certain ideas?

Absolutely.

I had family in the camps.

[Cosara]

"Men's equality"?

Seriously?

RIGHT?

What is this non-sense?

Yeah! Men's rights? What are those? Men are just worthless scum who's only use are child conception and labor! FUCK MEN'S RIGHTS! Females are the superior sex!

/sarcasm

[Frisivisia]

You're going by the same barometer in the opposite direction.

Not so. Feminists told me there is a pay gap.
I looked at their evidence and accepted it.
They told me it was because of patriarchy.
I asked for evidence, and they flip their shit and call me sexist.

Ah, so a strawman non sequiter?

[The Truth and Light]

RIGHT?

What is this non-sense?

You admitted earlier there are issues which men face in society due to their gender.

I made it clear that it came from privilege bestowed on them by patriarchy. You cannot remove my words from that context; it is blatant dishonesty.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Mmm, but that's all the men's rights movement have as far as an internal self-image. They exist in opposition to the feminists, who are all either misandrists or witting or unwitting pawns of the misandrists. They have a handful of common cause célèbres, but by and large the movement is simply not intellectually mature enough to be able to say 'this is who we are, and this is what we're fighting for'. And the unfortunate thing is that it seems to be spinning its wheels with regards to actually getting there.

While there's a certain amount of truth in this, it's unhelpful when feminists start screaming at the ones who are more moderate or thoughtful. As the saying goes "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice."

For example: Warren Farrell. Warren Farrell in essence poses questions about men's traditional roles in our society and how we can live successfully in a more egalitarian world. Some have heaped venom on him for things that were said in the 70s, which I find ironic. Feminists have told me that they feel no difficulty in sifting through the works of feminist writers and taking the gems out, as it were, but apparently cannot compare the entire body of a man's work to things that they haven't even read in context.

Sometime have a listen to the guy, follow an entire lecture, read one of his books. He's one of the least menacing people I can think of today, yet he's accused of being a rape apologist? Even though he has on numerous occasions qualified his statements and said "rape is a crime"? I mean you can't be more clear than that, to say "rape is a crime".

Sure you can. You can not ALSO say that a man should never be imprisoned for continuing to fuck a woman who explicitly says "no," provided the man says he thought she looked like she wanted it. You can not ALSO suggest that fathers raping their daughters isn't really so bad, because many of the rapist fathers reported enjoying it (and imply, while you're at it, that the daughters are lying when they say they didn't enjoy being raped).

If Warren Farrell is your idea of a moderate, I shudder at the thought of what a radical looks like.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean it's a matter of degree right? If it, were, say, a neo nazi rally and the group was, say, a group of jews and homosexuals who barracaded the doors, pulled the fire alarms, and generally tried to do whatever they could to prevent an assembly of nazis on their campus....I can't say I'd be all that bothered.

I mean, I'm not saying it would be right, but, well...I'd understand.

That would be decent. Then again, what if the actions of that nazi group affected your daily life in a severe way? Then you are completely justified in undermining them at all costs.

ONLY IF said actions were current and made your life a living hell, and only then only to the specific group of people who are doing so, not to a whole group of unknowns.

It's like people feeling vindictive because they have AIDS and they spread it to the entire members of the sex who transmitted it to them. It's not justified to do harm or use these types of actions to others who have nothing to do with you, not in the slightest.

If people want to be respected, they must give respect; it's simple logic.

[Cosara]

You admitted earlier there are issues which men face in society due to their gender.

I made it clear that it came from privilege bestowed on them by patriarchy. You cannot remove my words from that context; it is blatant dishonesty.

here we go with the partiarchy...

[Ostroeuropa]

It makes sense that you'd be one of those people who "understands" when people use force to prevent ideas spreading.

Do I believe that the use of force is understandable, and at times, even adviseable, to prevent the spread of certain ideas?

Absolutely.

I had family in the camps.

The difference between using force to prevent the implementation of ideas, and the spread of ideas, is a big one. I'll happily tell a fascist he's more than welcome to spout his views in public so everyone knows exactly who he is.
I'll also happily vote to have them shot the moment they pick up a rifle or build a concentration camp.

Normally when im posting on a forum im ranting about why people shouldnt be equal, this is one of the few times I dont think women should be lower than men, but in this day and age, women have rights! WHY THE PROTESTS?

This is an incredibly backward view. There are still many issues facing both genders in society.

[Frisivisia]

RIGHT?

What is this non-sense?

You admitted earlier there are issues which men face in society due to their gender.

Yes, everyone should be equal. We all know this. Unfortunately, men's rights is a ridiculously unnecessary movement given the trouble women face given that they just barely got into the whole "equality" club.

[Neo Art]

If Warren Farrell is your idea of a moderate, I shudder at the thought of what a radical looks like.

Someone who thinks you shouldn't stop when you say no, regardless of when you think she means yes

[Ostroeuropa]

Not so. Feminists told me there is a pay gap.
I looked at their evidence and accepted it.
They told me it was because of patriarchy.
I asked for evidence, and they flip their shit and call me sexist.

Ah, so a strawman non sequiter?

No, you implied i reject whatever feminists say because they are feminists. That isn't the case.

You admitted earlier there are issues which men face in society due to their gender.

Yes, everyone should be equal. We all know this. Unfortunately, men's rights is a ridiculously unnecessary movement given the trouble women face given that they just barely got into the whole "equality" club.

I fail to see the difference between the two movements. Both are unduly focused on the gender issues of one part of society.

[The Rich Port]

RIGHT?

What is this non-sense?

Yeah! Men's rights? What are those? Men are just worthless scum who's only use are child conception and labor! FUCK MEN'S RIGHTS! Females are the superior sex!

/sarcasm

No, see, that's not the way it works.

There's a difference between a couple of crazy women saying crazy shit about men and thousands of years of official and unofficial repression and discrimination of women.

[Neo Art]

The difference between using force to prevent the implementation of ideas, and the spread of ideas, is a big one. I'll happily tell a fascist he's more than welcome to spout his views in public so everyone knows exactly who he is.
I'll also happily vote to have them shot the moment they pick up a rifle or build a concentration camp.

I think we need a new thing. A sorta opposite of the ITG. Let's call it the "IEG" The "internet egalistarian guy". The guy who just CARES about equality SO MUCH he's just so disappointed when those filthy whores forget their place and actually dare to claim that they're still discriminated against, and make things all about THEM and their stupid whore problems, instead of the REAL issues, which is that there are men out there who aren't getting fucked on demand.

....wait, that's sorta what "MRA" is already isn't it?

[Avaerilon]

Yes, because these people are totally representative of the entire corpus of feminist thought. Obviously.

I've been saying this all along but I don't think anyone has listened.

These people are not the sole representation of Feminism.

I know they're not- I should have been more specific, and I've since altered my post; my bad. I have no issue with the feminists interested in genuine equality (i.e. humanist feminists), and agree with them on many issues. It's those who preach misandry and act like idiots, as seen in the footage, that I have a problem with. They're no better than misogynists.

[Cosara]

Yeah! Men's rights? What are those? Men are just worthless scum who's only use are child conception and labor! FUCK MEN'S RIGHTS! Females are the superior sex!

/sarcasm

No, see, that's not the way it works.

There's a difference between a couple of crazy women saying crazy shit about men and thousands of years of official and unofficial repression and discrimination of women.

Look around you. Do you see any women having less rights than men do? You don't do you? I know you don't because WOMEN HAVE EVERY RIGHT THAT MEN DO!

[Nailed to the Perch]

Normally when im posting on a forum im ranting about why people shouldnt be equal, this is one of the few times I dont think women should be lower than men, but in this day and age, women have rights! WHY THE PROTESTS?

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and go with "because there's a lot of people who still happily proclaim that people shouldn't be equal and women should be lower than men."

[Ostroeuropa]

The difference between using force to prevent the implementation of ideas, and the spread of ideas, is a big one. I'll happily tell a fascist he's more than welcome to spout his views in public so everyone knows exactly who he is.
I'll also happily vote to have them shot the moment they pick up a rifle or build a concentration camp.

I think we need a new thing. A sorta opposite of the ITG. Let's call it the "IEG" The "internet egalistarian guy". The guy who just CARES about equality SO MUCH he's just so disappointed when those filthy whores forget their place and actually dare to claim that they're still discriminated against, and make things all about THEM and their stupid whore problems, instead of the REAL issues, which is that there are men out there who aren't getting fucked on demand.

....wait, that's sorta what "MRA" is already isn't it?

If you can't even argue against what i'm saying and have to make shit up, why bother posting at all?
And again. You seem focused on women. I'm arguing against feminists. What are you implying there?

[The Truth and Light]

That would be decent. Then again, what if the actions of that nazi group affected your daily life in a severe way? Then you are completely justified in undermining them at all costs.

ONLY IF said actions were current and made your life a living hell, and only then only to the specific group of people who are doing so, not to a whole group of unknowns.

It's like people feeling vindictive because they have AIDS and they spread it to the entire members of the sex who transmitted it to them. It's not justified to do harm or use these types of actions to others who have nothing to do with you, not in the slightest.

If people want to be respected, they must give respect; it's simple logic.

Women, especially feminists, don't want to be respected by someone else's standards.

They want to be autonomous and respect because of their humanity, and this overwhelming attitude going on in here that these women were "too radical" or "unjustified" are only perpetuating misogyny and misogyny-apologism.

If an anti-woman meeting is going on at a prominent public university, it is as detestable as if it was an anti-Black meeting or an anti-Jew meeting.

Do not criticize or condescend to these feminist protesters, they were justified. Question the group they were protesting.

[Neo Art]

If people want to be respected, they must give respect; it's simple logic.

Remember people, just sit down, don't make a fuss, and when they're ready, I'm SURE they'll let you sit at the front of the bus.

Fuck that noise.