Feminists sabotage yet another talk on men's equality

[Cosara]

These feminists pulled the fire alarm to get the "Evil Oppresive Men" out of there so they could yell at them face-to-face. The one who pulled the fire-alarm should be fined $500 and left alone past that. No one was hurt.

Strawman.

A $500 fine for a fucking fire alarm? Are you insane?

I just came up with a random number. It should be somewhere around 100 or something

[Frisivisia]

THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT FEMINISM! Not fire alarms or anything else.

This is a thread on what they did.. and feminism. SO IT INVLOVES FIRE ALARMS GOOD SIR.

The goalposts belong in the back of the end zone. Stop moving them.

[Ostroeuropa]

These feminists pulled the fire alarm to get the "Evil Oppresive Men" out of there so they could yell at them face-to-face. The one who pulled the fire-alarm should be fined $500 and left alone past that. No one was hurt.

Strawman.

A $500 fine for a fucking fire alarm? Are you insane?

Careful, you might get reported by truth and light. It's totally to do with calling people insane. not opposing his views at all. yup.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

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Yes it does.

But words mean what Ostroeuropa wants them to mean. Didn't you get the memo?

I admit his definition of Orwellian sounds as cute as what seemed to be your apologetic stance of women not being bad because they were not oppressed.

I admit that if you want to use the scholarly definition that's fine by me though, we can talk in similar terms if that's what you want. However, the main point was the feminists who did all this shit storm on a group of people being wrong. Which is still wrong, no matter how you slice it.

[Eerienar]

The radical feminist movement is kind of the reason I adopted the name "gender egalitarian."

[Valkmar]

You're arguing that pulling a fire alarm unnecessarily is manslaughter? You understand how stupid and convoluted that is.

I'll answer it for him. Very stupid and colvuluted!

I said if someone died as a result, of course it couldn't be accuratly proven and no one would be convicted, but someone COULD have died, and the chances are rather slim, ill admit that, but still it is plausible that a death can result.

[Main]

THIS THREAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT FEMINISM. Let's try to get back on topic, okay?

[The Truth and Light]

Thank goodness for those radical shit-stains that do nothing but ruin the name of Feminism.

OP, I do hope you do not expect us to believe that ALL feminists are like these extremists.

Oh, here we go.

[Neo Art]

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Yes it does.

That was phrased poorly I admit. It may imply totalitarianism, but doesn't necessitate it, especially in the use of language. Certain actions by various news corporations are "Orwellian." as an example

Tell me someone sees the irony here? Please?

"attempting to redefine words is Orwellian!"
"actually the phrase "orwellian' means evocative of the works of George Orwell, most often 1984, and is meant to describe the behavior of a totalitarian/authoritarian state, not individual actors"
"NO IT DOESN'T!"

[Frisivisia]

Strawman.

A $500 fine for a fucking fire alarm? Are you insane?

I just came up with a random number. It should be somewhere around 100 or something

There's an appropriate consequence for what's been done, and it's been handed out if they know who did it. Can we get back to the actual fucking discussion?

[Ostroeuropa]

But words mean what Ostroeuropa wants them to mean. Didn't you get the memo?

I admit his definition of Orwellian sounds as cute as what seemed to be your apologetic stance of women not being bad because they were not oppressed.

I admit that if you want to use the scholarly definition that's fine by me though, we can talk in similar terms if that's what you want. However, the main point was the feminists who did all this shit storm on a group of people being wrong. Which is still wrong, no matter how you slice it.

It's not my definition, it's the dictionaries.

[Ostroeuropa]

That was phrased poorly I admit. It may imply totalitarianism, but doesn't necessitate it, especially in the use of language. Certain actions by various news corporations are "Orwellian." as an example

Tell me someone sees the irony here? Please?

"attempting to redefine words is Orwellian!"
"actually the phrase "orwellian' means evocative of the works of George Orwell, most often 1984, and is meant to describe the behavior of a totalitarian/authoritarian state, not individual actors"
"NO IT DOESN'T!"

Do you have a source for that claim, i've got my source. Lemme grab it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

It is not necessary to apply it to the state, nor prohibited of individual actors. You've pulled that out of your ass.

"Orwellian" is an adjective describing the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson"

[Snafturi]

Well fundamentally it depends on how you define "sexism". From a sociological perspective, the various "isms" are considered the social application of bias. Which is to say that anyone can be "gender biased" or "gender discriminatory". A woman can certainly be biased against men, she can be discriminatory against men. But "sexism" is more than merely bias and discrimination. It's bias and discriminiation instituted on a societal level. So to be an "ist" it's not that merely you are biased and discriminatory, it's that you are so, against a specific subclass, AND you belong to the subclass that institutes that discrimination on a societal level.

In that vein, women can be gender biased, and gender discriminatory, but they can't be sexist, because to be sexist, you must belong to the sex that has the socioeconomic power to institute that discirmination on a societal level.

It's the same reason, the argument goes, that a black person can't be racist. He can be race biased, certainly. He can discriminate on the basis of race. Nobody is saying otherwise. But "racism" is more than that, it's about the bias and discrimination implimented on a social level, and in this country, the only race favored by the socioeconomic conditions is white.

Complete bunk magicked up by professional victims in an attempt to make their shit smell like gold.
Ofcourse it's feminist theory so it's gotta be right, right? Women can't be sexists. Feminism says so.
I'm going to assume, given that you are actually intelligent, that you only know the details of this theory and don't subscribe to it.

As an example of why this is an absurd and sexist way to think, women are perfectly capable of upholding the patriarchy, yes?
And thereby oppressing both men and women in various ways. But it's not sexism if she doesn't have a penis.
If the judgement of your action changes dependent on your sex, or your perception of a person changes because of their sex, you are a sexist. I can't state it any clearer than that.
If people subscribe to this theory, they are explicitly sexist in that they judge people differently based on their gender.


EDIT:
What does gold even smell like...


And so long as we're redefining words anyway, if you subscribe to this theory you are de-facto discriminatory and bigotted too. If you want to play a redefining game thats fine, the words themselves don't hold the bad association. I don't need to call someone a racist, I can just say they hate black people. It gets the point across just fine.

The fuck? Until recently, I've only heard the technical definition of -isms used by the civil rights crowd in regards to racism. Are you really going to blame feminists for the fact that some words don't mean what you think they mean?

[Natapoc]

These are not talks on men's equality. These are talks by anti feminist groups who hate women at their core. A pro rape, anti female, hate group was invited to the campus and these brave protestors confronted them.

I'm proud of the protesters for effectively shutting down the misogynists and letting them know that they are unwelcome on their campus.

[The Truth and Light]

Strawman.

A $500 fine for a fucking fire alarm? Are you insane?

Careful, you might get reported by truth and light. It's totally to do with calling people insane. not opposing his views at all. yup.

I could report you for baiting, if that's what you want. But I won't use the mods as a weapon. Just stop to make yourself look better.

[Neo Art]

I admit his definition of Orwellian sounds as cute as what seemed to be your apologetic stance of women not being bad because they were not oppressed.

No matter how many times we preface it by saying that "sexims is really a socially instituted construct, and women just aren't the dominant sex, but women can totally be biased" that's not good enough. It's not good enough to go "we can ALL admit that women can be individually biased on the basis of gender, and nobody's arguing with you there, but in academia it's important to distinguish individual bias from social bias and the "isms" have generally come to be understood as SOCIETAL bias, as opposed to individual" that's still not good enough. It's not good enough to all agree that individual bias exists and leave it at that. This side wants to plant their feet in the sand, and refuse to let the conversation actually move on, screaming "No, not good enough, say women can be sexist! Say it. SAY ALL WOMEN ARE FILTHY SEXIST WHORES! SAAAAAAAY IIIIIIIIIITTTTT"

[Frisivisia]

I'll answer it for him. Very stupid and colvuluted!

I said if someone died as a result, of course it couldn't be accuratly proven and no one would be convicted, but someone COULD have died, and the chances are rather slim, ill admit that, but still it is plausible that a death can result.

So we don't pull the fire alarm for no reason, because it's bad. That doesn't mean it's manslaughter, that doesn't mean it's something we should kill feminists for, it just means that it's bad and you shouldn't do it.

[The Truth and Light]

These are not talks on men's equality. These are talks by anti feminist groups who hate women at their core. A pro rape, anti female, hate group was invited to the campus and these brave protestors confronted them.

I'm proud of the protesters for effectively shutting down the misogynists and letting them know that they are unwelcome on their campus.

Thank. God.

Someone gets it.

[Eerienar]

These are not talks on men's equality. These are talks by anti feminist groups who hate women at their core. A pro rape, anti female, hate group was invited to the campus and these brave protestors confronted them.

I'm proud of the protesters for effectively shutting down the misogynists and letting them know that they are unwelcome on their campus.

Effectively shutting them down by pulling the fire alarm.

That's not "shutting them down," that's oppressing them, which, at its core, is the very thing the Feminist movement is trying to stop. You don't claim to be a feminist, and then suppress the opinions of others through idiotic ways out of your own misandry.

In essence, by silencing these men, the women have been doing to them, what had been done to them, before the feminist movement gained popularity.

[Frisivisia]

Tell me someone sees the irony here? Please?

"attempting to redefine words is Orwellian!"
"actually the phrase "orwellian' means evocative of the works of George Orwell, most often 1984, and is meant to describe the behavior of a totalitarian/authoritarian state, not individual actors"
"NO IT DOESN'T!"

Do you have a source for that claim, i've got my source. Lemme grab it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

It is not necessary to apply it to the state, nor prohibited of individual actors. You've pulled that out of your ass.

""Orwellian" is an adjective describing the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society."

Doesn't fit.

[The Truth and Light]

That's not "shutting them down," that's oppressing them

Grooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaan.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you have a source for that claim, i've got my source. Lemme grab it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

It is not necessary to apply it to the state, nor prohibited of individual actors. You've pulled that out of your ass.

""Orwellian" is an adjective describing the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society."

Doesn't fit.

I explained where I initially called the move orwellian that it does. Lemme grab the post.

viewtopic.php?p=13919111#p13919111


(Wasn't initially,was a post later I explained.)

[Neo Art]

Do you have a source for that claim, i've got my source. Lemme grab it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian

It is not necessary to apply it to the state, nor prohibited of individual actors. You've pulled that out of your ass.

""Orwellian" is an adjective describing the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society."

Doesn't fit.

Women trying to convince us that they're not all filthy stupid whores is destructive to the welfare of an open society.

God, don't you know anything?

[The Serbian Empire]

The radical feminist movement is kind of the reason I adopted the name "gender egalitarian."

Now just wait for the radicals to call themselves that instead.

[Eerienar]

That's not "shutting them down," that's oppressing them

Grooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaan.

Not picking apart the argument in a legitimate refutation. Just make snide comments about the argument.

10/10 expert reasoning skills there.

The radical feminist movement is kind of the reason I adopted the name "gender egalitarian."

Now just wait for the radicals to call themselves that instead.

I wait for the day.