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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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And victim blaming.


How so?
If someone calls you ugly you can either decide to ignore them, or decide you give such a massive shit about their opinion that you've become devestated by it.
It's your fault if you do the latter. It really is just as simple as deciding not to give a fuck. Trust me. I've done it. There is no excuse for bawwing about being offended.


Or acknowledge that it is solely and entirely the fault of those doing the insulting.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:23 pm

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Ora Amaris wrote:And now, the only thing that feminism is lacking are those men who dare to want to not be an uber-masculine body builder fucknut.


The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"


Jesus christ you sicken me.

I mean it`s not like 1 in 5 women are raped or anything, god no.

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Postby Freelanderness » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:23 pm

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Freelanderness wrote:Better question is how can you call yourself an egalitarian and then fire off slurs against other people for their identity?


I've been called a faggot because i'm a bisexual.
I've been called a retard because i suffer from mental health issues.
(depression).

And? All the more reason why you should try to stay away from using slurs against people. I can tell you that being called a "bitch" or a "slut" or a "whore" etc etc (so many slurs, so little time) can fundamentally change how people see themselves.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:24 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How so?
If someone calls you ugly you can either decide to ignore them, or decide you give such a massive shit about their opinion that you've become devestated by it.
It's your fault if you do the latter. It really is just as simple as deciding not to give a fuck. Trust me. I've done it. There is no excuse for bawwing about being offended.


Or acknowledge that it is solely and entirely the fault of those doing the insulting.


You've insulted me. Is it your fault?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:24 pm

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Yep. Because it is. It's their fault if they are offended too. That isn't victimization, it's stating the obvious.


And victim blaming.


Y'know? I find it interesting that he was a victim of abuse, misogyny, and STILL thinks men and women should get the fuck over being offended instead of advocating being nice and polite.

I mean, I sure as hell have been abused emotionally by an ex, and this is why I think so peacefully about it all.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:24 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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Or acknowledge that it is solely and entirely the fault of those doing the insulting.


You've insulted me. Is it your fault?


Yes.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:24 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How so?
If someone calls you ugly you can either decide to ignore them, or decide you give such a massive shit about their opinion that you've become devestated by it.
It's your fault if you do the latter. It really is just as simple as deciding not to give a fuck. Trust me. I've done it. There is no excuse for bawwing about being offended.


Or acknowledge that it is solely and entirely the fault of those doing the insulting.

Pshaw, you mean people are responsible for their actions? Why don't you learn some responsibility instead of making other people be responsible for their own actions! If people were responsible for their actions then we wouldn't need people to be responsible for their own actions!
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:24 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"


Jesus christ you sicken me.

I mean it`s not like 1 in 5 women are raped or anything, god no.


It's not like you'd know from the campaigns.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:25 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
And victim blaming.


Y'know? I find it interesting that he was a victim of abuse, misogyny, and STILL thinks men and women should get the fuck over being offended instead of advocating being nice and polite.

I mean, I sure as hell have been abused emotionally by an ex, and this is why I think so peacefully about it all.


If I didn't get over it i'd be a complete wreck.
Suprisingly, assholes don't care if you call them assholes. PLus in that particular situation talking back isn't really a good idea, so you just have to get over it. If you let it get to you you won't last long.
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Postby Freelanderness » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:26 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ora Amaris wrote:And now, the only thing that feminism is lacking are those men who dare to want to not be an uber-masculine body builder fucknut.


The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"

Why do you insist on speaking for a movement that you're not part of?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:27 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"

Why do you insist on speaking for a movement that you're not part of?


I'm speaking as someone outside the movement telling you exactly what it looks like. People usually get paid for consultation. I'm doing it because i'm appalled by what I see.
The major view of feminism is money money money pay gap pay gap money money money. Occasionally they'll ramp up "End violence against women" campaigns and spam the shit out of everywhere and contribute to male invisibility while doing jack shit to solve female violence issues except ease the conscience of some donaters.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:28 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Or acknowledge that it is solely and entirely the fault of those doing the insulting.


You've insulted me. Is it your fault?

Uh...yes?

Is this supposed to be some sort of trick question?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:28 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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Y'know? I find it interesting that he was a victim of abuse, misogyny, and STILL thinks men and women should get the fuck over being offended instead of advocating being nice and polite.

I mean, I sure as hell have been abused emotionally by an ex, and this is why I think so peacefully about it all.


If I didn't get over it i'd be a complete wreck.
Suprisingly, assholes don't care if you call them assholes. PLus in that particular situation talking back isn't really a good idea, so you just have to get over it. If you let it get to you you won't last long.


I know, but you know, you can be decent and polite to other people so you don't get called an asshole and you get more people on your side.

I've found out that if you fucking talk with people, the less they think you are an asshole. The only people who think I am an asshole now are people who disagree with me on the net. However do I care? Fuck no, doesn't mean I wouldn't want them to be more polite if we were talking IRL.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:30 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
If I didn't get over it i'd be a complete wreck.
Suprisingly, assholes don't care if you call them assholes. PLus in that particular situation talking back isn't really a good idea, so you just have to get over it. If you let it get to you you won't last long.


I know, but you know, you can be decent and polite to other people so you don't get called an asshole and you get more people on your side.

I've found out that if you fucking talk with people, the less they think you are an asshole. The only people who think I am an asshole now are people who disagree with me on the net. However do I care? Fuck no, doesn't mean I wouldn't want them to be more polite if we were talking IRL.


I'm much more rude online than I am in real life. I don't talk much in person. And being polite on the internet doesn't work usually. Except in brony threads and pony boards, actually.
But even if in person I decided to insult someone, it'd be their own problem if they got offended.
When people call me a faggot, i don't get offended. I just mentally re-adjust my perception of the person to "asshole."
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:Why do you insist on speaking for a movement that you're not part of?


I'm speaking as someone outside the movement telling you exactly what it looks like. People usually get paid for consultation. I'm doing it because i'm appalled by what I see.
The major view of feminism is money money money pay gap pay gap money money money. Occasionally they'll ramp up "End violence against women" campaigns and spam the shit out of everywhere and contribute to male invisibility while doing jack shit to solve female violence issues except ease the conscience of some donaters.

You are making shit up in your own mind to justify your reactionary desire to be obtuse and contrarian, and doing absolutely nothing else.
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Postby Avenio » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:32 pm

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I agree. Society could do with a lot more penis fencing.

Way to solve sexism? Completely obliterate the vagina so there's only one sex!


Not.


You seem to have missed the joke there.

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Postby Natapoc » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:Why do you insist on speaking for a movement that you're not part of?


I'm speaking as someone outside the movement telling you exactly what it looks like. People usually get paid for consultation. I'm doing it because i'm appalled by what I see.


As someone who has been paid as a consultant, No offense but, you're doing it wrong. First, you need to establish trust with your client. Your client should see you as an expert in the field you're consulting them on. Second, you've got to offer something of value to your client, ideally you should demonstrate both the problem and a range of solutions that will allow the client to choose the right option in a way that reflects their desires.

There is no end of people giving advice. Everyone wants to be a critic.

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Postby Freelanderness » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:Why do you insist on speaking for a movement that you're not part of?


I'm speaking as someone outside the movement telling you exactly what it looks like. People usually get paid for consultation. I'm doing it because i'm appalled by what I see.
The major view of feminism is money money money pay gap pay gap money money money. Occasionally they'll ramp up "End violence against women" campaigns and spam the shit out of everywhere and contribute to male invisibility while doing jack shit to solve female violence issues except ease the conscience of some donaters.

I can't even. Are you talking about corporate feminism? Because I can't even begin to digest where you're gotten this idea from. What about code pink? What about slutwalk? what about the pro-choice demonstrations? what about the Vagina Monologues? What about bell hooks? What about Toni Morrison? What about Audre Lorde? What about Steubenville? What about Raetah? What about Project Unbreakable? I mean there is so much to feminism, how can you actually just speak like that?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:35 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm speaking as someone outside the movement telling you exactly what it looks like. People usually get paid for consultation. I'm doing it because i'm appalled by what I see.
The major view of feminism is money money money pay gap pay gap money money money. Occasionally they'll ramp up "End violence against women" campaigns and spam the shit out of everywhere and contribute to male invisibility while doing jack shit to solve female violence issues except ease the conscience of some donaters.

I can't even. Are you talking about corporate feminism? Because I can't even begin to digest where you're gotten this idea from. What about code pink? What about slutwalk? what about the pro-choice demonstrations? what about the Vagina Monologues? What about bell hooks? What about Toni Morrison? What about Audre Lorde? What about Steubenville? What about Raetah? What about Project Unbreakable? I mean there is so much to feminism, how can you actually just speak like that?


I'm talking about feminist organizations. I spoke out of turn and too broadly. (The long standing, """multi-issue""" organizations.)
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Postby Ora Amaris » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:37 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ora Amaris wrote:And now, the only thing that feminism is lacking are those men who dare to want to not be an uber-masculine body builder fucknut.


The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"

Is that what you really think feminism is?
A perspective like ours is what's needed to fight off these fuckers.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:37 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"


Jesus christ you sicken me.

I mean it`s not like 1 in 5 women are raped or anything, god no.


Stop complaining and expecting the state to do stuff for you. Women are physically different than men, and if you deny that your are denying reality. Why not accept reality and make the best of the situation, instead of complaining that men are SO....LIKE OMG Abusive. Men and their dicks!
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Postby Ora Amaris » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:40 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Jesus christ you sicken me.

I mean it`s not like 1 in 5 women are raped or anything, god no.


Stop complaining and expecting the state to do stuff for you. Women are physically different than men, and if you deny that your are denying reality. Why not accept reality and make the best of the situation, instead of complaining that men are SO....LIKE OMG Abusive. Men and their dicks!

I give up.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:40 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Jesus christ you sicken me.

I mean it`s not like 1 in 5 women are raped or anything, god no.


Stop complaining and expecting the state to do stuff for you. Women are physically different than men, and if you deny that your are denying reality. Why not accept reality and make the best of the situation, instead of complaining that men are SO....LIKE OMG Abusive. Men and their dicks!


I didn`t know that demanding the end of rape was such a controversial thing.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:40 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Stop complaining and expecting the state to do stuff for you. Women are physically different than men, and if you deny that your are denying reality. Why not accept reality and make the best of the situation, instead of complaining that men are SO....LIKE OMG Abusive. Men and their dicks!


I didn`t know that demanding the end of rape was such a controversial thing.

Privilege is a zero sum game. If you deny him his right to rape you are oppressing him!
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Postby Gypstopolis » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:41 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I personally am for the equality of all people regardless of gender, race, culture or sexual preference and if this group is even remotely for equality, they are sure going about it the wrong way by trying to shut down anyone who doesn't happen to be in line with their ideals. The group they were "protesting" was a group for human equality, not a psuedo-male group against women.


Amen Brotha :lol:
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