Feminists sabotage yet another talk on men's equality

[Ostroeuropa]

This argument is starting to bother me.

So I will join in and get even more bothered.

It is misogyny because it is not about "hating men" it is about "hating men who act like women." That's the whole fucking point. If you "act LIKE A WOMAN" you are discriminated against, not if you "are a man."

THIS x1000
You put it perfectly, Maritimes.

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

If you believe that men are getting fucked over, then you'd be right, because not every man can conform to the perfect alpha male standard. And I agree that women don't look at this in feminism enough, much in the same way that the second wave didn't look at women of colour or transwomen. So, while feminists do think these issues warrant attention, they pay more attention to issues that directly affect women, such as the rape culture and pay gap.

THIS is why feminism (imo) needs to have a male perspective in order to carry forward, because the issues that men face in society when it comes to issues relating to gender come directly from the fact that men can't conform to the perfect alpha male standard.

While you definitely should be upset that you were discriminated in your domestic abuse case, instead of shunning feminism you should be the one to go up to them and say "This is why you need me."

The focus on women is inherent to feminism and feminist theory. It won't stop, so the only alternative is a gender egalitarian or gender abolitionist movement.

[Sailsia]

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right? See, you've subscribed to this "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality and it's completely removed your ability to see the debate from the other person's point of view.

If you are not against rape culture, or at the very least the concept of rape culture, you are actually for the legitimization of rape.

Stop. Just stop now.

[The Steel Magnolia]

If you are not against rape culture, or at the very least the concept of rape culture, you are actually for the legitimization of rape.

Stop. Just stop now.

When faced against you and your ilk? Never.

[Ostroeuropa]

How can rhetoric be violent?
And lemme point out that the number of times someone has called me a faggot or a retard is far, far more than the number of times they did so and then proceeded to attack me. To say one "Leads" to the other is a stupid as saying speech leads to it.

Better question is how can you call yourself an egalitarian and then fire off slurs against other people for their identity?

I've been called a faggot because i'm a bisexual.
I've been called a retard because i suffer from mental health issues.

(depression).

[United Dependencies]

Stop. Just stop now.

Stop what? and why?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Better question is how can you call yourself an egalitarian and then fire off slurs against other people for their identity?

I've been called a faggot because i'm a bisexual.
I've been called a retard because i suffer from mental health issues.

(depression).

Which in no way excuses your victimization of others along those lines.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's fairly typical of feminists to come out in favor of censorship these days. Gail dines would be proud.

How did you get censorship out of this.

The context of her attack there is that i'm not in favor of punishing people for saying things like "Tranny" or for being offensive. Since i'm not in favor of punishing people for words they speak, I apparently support suicide etc.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've been called a faggot because i'm a bisexual.
I've been called a retard because i suffer from mental health issues.

(depression).

Which in no way excuses your victimization of others along those lines.

Where did I do that?

[Ora Amaris]

THIS x1000
You put it perfectly, Maritimes.


If you believe that men are getting fucked over, then you'd be right, because not every man can conform to the perfect alpha male standard. And I agree that women don't look at this in feminism enough, much in the same way that the second wave didn't look at women of colour or transwomen. So, while feminists do think these issues warrant attention, they pay more attention to issues that directly affect women, such as the rape culture and pay gap.

THIS is why feminism (imo) needs to have a male perspective in order to carry forward, because the issues that men face in society when it comes to issues relating to gender come directly from the fact that men can't conform to the perfect alpha male standard.

While you definitely should be upset that you were discriminated in your domestic abuse case, instead of shunning feminism you should be the one to go up to them and say "This is why you need me."

The focus on women is inherent to feminism and feminist theory. It won't stop, so the only alternative is a gender egalitarian or gender abolitionist movement.

Because women are the ones who got fucked over the most in society. The only reason why men do too is because they're perceived as being womanlike. This is the reason why MtF transpeople face much more discrimination than FtM transpeople.

[The New Sea Territory]

I personally have two testicles and don't find the need to have them removed by the Feminine Führer and his band of merry Feminazis, thank you. Equal legal rights, sure. Feminine supremacy, not so much.

[The Steel Magnolia]

How did you get censorship out of this.

The context of her attack there is that i'm not in favor of punishing people for saying things like "Tranny" or for being offensive. Since i'm not in favor of punishing people for words they speak, I apparently support suicide etc.

I'm in favour of using your free speech to pressure other people into not being bigots and not encouraging violence.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Which in no way excuses your victimization of others along those lines.

Where did I do that?

The part where you said it's your fault for being offended?

[Ostroeuropa]

The focus on women is inherent to feminism and feminist theory. It won't stop, so the only alternative is a gender egalitarian or gender abolitionist movement.

Because women are the ones who got fucked over the most in society. The only reason why men do too is because they're perceived as being womanlike. This is the reason why MtF transpeople face much more discrimination than FtM transpeople.

Despite my dislike of feminism i've regularly stated it was a necessary movement.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I personally have two testicles and don't find the need to have them removed by the Feminine Führer and his band of merry Feminazis, thank you. Equal legal rights, sure. Feminine supremacy, not so much.

Not all feminists are female supremacists

[The New Sea Territory]

THIS x1000
You put it perfectly, Maritimes.


If you believe that men are getting fucked over, then you'd be right, because not every man can conform to the perfect alpha male standard. And I agree that women don't look at this in feminism enough, much in the same way that the second wave didn't look at women of colour or transwomen. So, while feminists do think these issues warrant attention, they pay more attention to issues that directly affect women, such as the rape culture and pay gap.

THIS is why feminism (imo) needs to have a male perspective in order to carry forward, because the issues that men face in society when it comes to issues relating to gender come directly from the fact that men can't conform to the perfect alpha male standard.

While you definitely should be upset that you were discriminated in your domestic abuse case, instead of shunning feminism you should be the one to go up to them and say "This is why you need me."

The focus on women is inherent to feminism and feminist theory. It won't stop, so the only alternative is a gender egalitarian or gender abolitionist movement.

Or you could be like me and not give two shits. that would work. Let people hold opinions, but keep them out of legality.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I personally have two testicles and don't find the need to have them removed by the Feminine Führer and his band of merry Feminazis, thank you. Equal legal rights, sure. Feminine supremacy, not so much.

Thank gawd no one has done that.

[Ostroeuropa]

Where did I do that?

The part where you said it's your fault for being offended?

Yep. Because it is. It's their fault if they are offended too. That isn't victimization, it's stating the obvious.

[The Steel Magnolia]

The part where you said it's your fault for being offended?

Yep. Because it is. It's their fault if they are offended too. That isn't victimization, it's stating the obvious.

And victim blaming.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

I personally have two testicles and don't find the need to have them removed by the Feminine Führer and his band of merry Feminazis, thank you. Equal legal rights, sure. Feminine supremacy, not so much.

The Feminine Führer is a bloke? Even Feminism is the Patriarchy!

[Ostroeuropa]

Yep. Because it is. It's their fault if they are offended too. That isn't victimization, it's stating the obvious.

And victim blaming.

How so?
If someone calls you ugly you can either decide to ignore them, or decide you give such a massive shit about their opinion that you've become devestated by it.
It's your fault if you do the latter. It really is just as simple as deciding not to give a fuck. Trust me. I've done it. There is no excuse for bawwing about being offended.

[Ora Amaris]

Because women are the ones who got fucked over the most in society. The only reason why men do too is because they're perceived as being womanlike. This is the reason why MtF transpeople face much more discrimination than FtM transpeople.

Despite my dislike of feminism i've regularly stated it was a necessary movement.

And now, the only thing that feminism is lacking are those men who dare to want to not be an uber-masculine body builder fucknut.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I personally have two testicles and don't find the need to have them removed by the Feminine Führer and his band of merry Feminazis, thank you. Equal legal rights, sure. Feminine supremacy, not so much.

The Feminine Führer is a bloke? Even Feminism is the Patriarchy!

LOL! Dude, this was awesome

[Ostroeuropa]

Despite my dislike of feminism i've regularly stated it was a necessary movement.

And now, the only thing that feminism is lacking are those men who dare to want to not be an uber-masculine body builder fucknut.

The core of feminist theory prevents it from properly addressing mens issues so long as there is even a small issue effecting women.
Hence my current hatred for feminists.

"Why won't you shut up about MRA'S? ohmygod, feminism is going to deal with domestic abuse and all that."
"GIVE US OUR FUCKING MONEY! MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RAPE AND ABUSE! MONEY!"
"Oh my god, stop whining about domestic violence, we'll get around to it!"
"WE'RE PAID 3 CENTS LESS EVERY DOLLAR! GIVE US OUR MONEY! IT'S THE BIGGEST FUCKING DEAL GUYS!"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Despite my dislike of feminism i've regularly stated it was a necessary movement.

And now, the only thing that feminism is lacking are those men who dare to want to not be an uber-masculine body builder fucknut.

You already got me in the shadows, so that makes this whole thing a full circle

[Ora Amaris]

And victim blaming.

How so?
If someone calls you ugly you can either decide to ignore them, or decide you give such a massive shit about their opinion that you've become devestated by it.
It's your fault if you do the latter. It really is just as simple as deciding not to give a fuck. Trust me. I've done it. There is no excuse for bawwing about being offended.

I can't agree with you here. Bullying is a real thing; that girl in Halifax killed herself because of it. Not everyone has the luxury of being thick-skinned. Maybe we should encourage basic human fucking decency instead of encouraging people to ignore it?