Feminists sabotage yet another talk on men's equality

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Crime and poverty are impossible to eliminate too, should we stop fighting against crime then? Should we abolish all our laws because they do not work universally?

Except, it's entirely possible to reduce crime and poverty to near non-existence without creating a dictatorship. The same can't be said for feminism.

Human Rights and Medical Ethics were created without a dictatorship. So your logic is full of shit.

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You care nothing for mental health, you care nothing about promoting public safety.

No. See, like I said, if you want me to pay taxes so people can get therapy i'm all for it. I care a lot about having a quick an visible response to violence.
What I don't care about is peoples feelings being hurt, and the fact you are incapable of seperating the two is sad.

The fact that you live such a privileged life and refuse to even acknowledge how violent, hateful rhetoric leads to tangible violence is a sad.

[Sailsia]

Cool argument bro. Rape culture is, from what I understand, a web of falsehoods and misconceptions pervating society and general culture with regard to the issue of rape.
Some of those effect men too, but even if they didn't i'd still care. Gendered violence is abhorrent.

You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right? See, you've subscribed to this "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality and it's completely removed your ability to see the debate from the other person's point of view.

[Ostroeuropa]

No. See, like I said, if you want me to pay taxes so people can get therapy i'm all for it. I care a lot about having a quick an visible response to violence.
What I don't care about is peoples feelings being hurt, and the fact you are incapable of seperating the two is sad.

The fact that you live such a privileged life and refuse to even acknowledge how violent, hateful rhetoric leads to tangible violence is a sad.

How can rhetoric be violent?
And lemme point out that the number of times someone has called me a faggot or a retard is far, far more than the number of times they did so and then proceeded to attack me. To say one "Leads" to the other is a stupid as saying speech leads to it.

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You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right? See, you've subscribed to this "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality and it's completely removed your ability to see the debate from the other person's point of view.

A person who denies rape culture but insists they are against rape may be sincere in their sentiments, but they inadvertently perpetuate rape culture anyway by denying it.

Road to hell and good intentions and all that shit. Though in my experience, most people who deny rape culture are rape apologists.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right? See, you've subscribed to this "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality and it's completely removed your ability to see the debate from the other person's point of view.

Rape culture relies mostly on apologetic logic.

Feminists have said Rape culture relies on apologetic logic.

I fail to see where is the disconnect here.

[Sailsia]

I've been saying this for years. It would make things so much easier, wouldn't it?

The problem with this is the same as Christianity: it is so diverse you can't judge people because of their association to feminism, you have to judge them individually.

I do this very thing. To me, feminism is a very different thing than it is to you. I judge your brand of feminism as extreme and pushy.

[United Dependencies]

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right?

What does that even mean?

Rape culture isn't a plan for stopping rape. It's a set of observations about the type of culture we live in.

[Ostroeuropa]

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right? See, you've subscribed to this "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality and it's completely removed your ability to see the debate from the other person's point of view.

Rape culture relies mostly on apologetic logic.

Feminists have said Rape culture relies on apologetic logic.

I fail to see where is the disconnect here.

To clarify, i've explicitly said in this thread that I accept rape culture given that, as I see it, it's a web of misconceptions and misinformation that pervades media and society that effects both genders on the issue of rape.

[Freelanderness]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chief_executive_officers

etc, etc.

That tells me nothing.

And that tells me everything. 4.2% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are female. 20% senators are women, 18.3% in congress, and 17.9% in the house, and it's the most that America has ever had in one sitting! Govt Participation by Women

Do you see the problem yet?

[Sailsia]

The funny thing is, all you're doing is BEING a burden on everyone else. You're kicking and screaming for an ideology that is flawed. Why would you waste all that time and effort in something you know won't work? If it's own premise for existence is wrong, why wouldn't you reject the whole thing? You can believe in equality without believing in an ideology. That's the whole premise of being an independent thinker.

You sound like those anti-immigration folks who call themselves "independent thinkers" but reek of stupid bullshit rhetoric.

Free thinking doesn't involve being a fucking douchebag. Free thinking involves taking the best of every doctrine and school of thought and evaluate an idea's merits.

What you are suggesting is intellectual dishonesty and something akin to not being a free thinker.

- Comparing me to people in a completely different debate... check
- Name calling... check

[The Steel Magnolia]

You care nothing for mental health, you care nothing about promoting public safety.

No. See, like I said, if you want me to pay taxes so people can get therapy i'm all for it. I care a lot about having a quick an visible response to violence.
What I don't care about is peoples feelings being hurt, and the fact you are incapable of seperating the two is sad.

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

[Sailsia]

No. See, like I said, if you want me to pay taxes so people can get therapy i'm all for it. I care a lot about having a quick an visible response to violence.
What I don't care about is peoples feelings being hurt, and the fact you are incapable of seperating the two is sad.

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

You really like applying labels, don't you?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Crime and poverty are impossible to eliminate too, should we stop fighting against crime then? Should we abolish all our laws because they do not work universally?

Except, it's entirely possible to reduce crime and poverty to near non-existence without creating a dictatorship. The same can't be said for feminism.

How is it not entirely possible for feminism?

[Ostroeuropa]

No. See, like I said, if you want me to pay taxes so people can get therapy i'm all for it. I care a lot about having a quick an visible response to violence.
What I don't care about is peoples feelings being hurt, and the fact you are incapable of seperating the two is sad.

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

It's fairly typical of feminists to come out in favor of censorship these days. Gail dines would be proud.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The problem with this is the same as Christianity: it is so diverse you can't judge people because of their association to feminism, you have to judge them individually.

I do this very thing. To me, feminism is a very different thing than it is to you. I judge your brand of feminism as extreme and pushy.

It may surprise you, but I am not what you may call a feminist.

I am just a pretty cold-minded individual who is a man that can see the good and bad points about everything, analyze, understand and most importantly, admit when I am wrong. I may come across as an arrogant asshole, but it isn't new to me that people think of me as such, so you really are not insulting me, I just find it amusing you think I am an extreme feminist.

[The Steel Magnolia]

You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

You are aware that one can be against rape, and believe that the concept of rape culture as interpreted by feminism just isn't the right way to reduce the number of rapes that occur, right? See, you've subscribed to this "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mentality and it's completely removed your ability to see the debate from the other person's point of view.

If you are not against rape culture, or at the very least the concept of rape culture, you are actually for the legitimization of rape.

I can see his point of view well enough. I find it abhorrent.

[United Dependencies]

Except, it's entirely possible to reduce crime and poverty to near non-existence without creating a dictatorship. The same can't be said for feminism.

What the hell are you even talking about? What does this mean?

[Ostroeuropa]

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

You really like applying labels, don't you?

Identity politics is a bunch of people who share a label blaming another label for things while labeling them.

[Ora Amaris]

It does, yes.

Which is not misandry.

This argument is starting to bother me.

So I will join in and get even more bothered.

It is misogyny because it is not about "hating men" it is about "hating men who act like women." That's the whole fucking point. If you "act LIKE A WOMAN" you are discriminated against, not if you "are a man."

THIS x1000
You put it perfectly, Maritimes.

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

If you believe that men are getting fucked over, then you'd be right, because not every man can conform to the perfect alpha male standard. And I agree that women don't look at this in feminism enough, much in the same way that the second wave didn't look at women of colour or transwomen. So, while feminists do think these issues warrant attention, they pay more attention to issues that directly affect women, such as the rape culture and pay gap.

THIS is why feminism (imo) needs to have a male perspective in order to carry forward, because the issues that men face in society when it comes to issues relating to gender come directly from the fact that men can't conform to the perfect alpha male standard.

While you definitely should be upset that you were discriminated in your domestic abuse case, instead of shunning feminism you should be the one to go up to them and say "This is why you need me."

[The Steel Magnolia]

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

You really like applying labels, don't you?

And you really like posts with no content, don't you?

[United Dependencies]

It's fairly typical of feminists to come out in favor of censorship these days. Gail dines would be proud.

You say that like censorship is always a bad thing.

[Freelanderness]

The fact that you live such a privileged life and refuse to even acknowledge how violent, hateful rhetoric leads to tangible violence is a sad.

How can rhetoric be violent?
And lemme point out that the number of times someone has called me a faggot or a retard is far, far more than the number of times they did so and then proceeded to attack me. To say one "Leads" to the other is a stupid as saying speech leads to it.

Better question is how can you call yourself an egalitarian and then fire off slurs against other people for their identity?

[Condunum]

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

It's fairly typical of feminists to come out in favor of censorship these days. Gail dines would be proud.

How did you get censorship out of this.

[The Steel Magnolia]

So like I said. You care nothing about preventative measures, nor about victims, nor about their feelings nor sense of selves.

So I mean hey! Good job encouraging suicide.

I believe the appropriate label is, at this point: "sociopathic."

It's fairly typical of feminists to come out in favor of censorship these days. Gail dines would be proud.

I wasn't aware that exercising my right of free speech was censorship now.