Feminists sabotage yet another talk on men's equality

[The Steel Magnolia]

Besides the fact that you know it does.

Men are privileged in society. That is a fact. There are certain disadvantages they faces because of the patriarchy, yes, but it is inevitably rooted in misogyny when referring to a systematic or institutionalized level.

What is this institutionalized level? You believe in a conspiracy, very similar to that of those who believe in the NWO. Who are these patriarchs?

Patriarchy theory.

The existence of patriarchy is well documented.

For example, one aspect of patriarchy is "a society ruled by men".


Out of 44 presidents ZERO have been women and all 44 have been men, 100% of presidents in the united states have been male.

Only 20 out of 100 senators are women: The highest number of women in history. At 80% men are making the rules.

The house has 79 women (another record number, thanks to feminism) but still that only comes out to 17.7% of all seats held by women. Giving men more than 80% of the rule making power of the house.

Outside of politics there are others who make the rules: About 3% of the CEO's of publicly traded companies are female (The highest percent in history). So 97% of publicly traded companies are ruled by men (Again men are making the rules and doing the ruling)

Another group involved in ruling is police officers. Only 13% of law enforcement positions are held by women.

That number drops further when you consider women in supervisory roles within law enforcement at 7%..

Do you want more numbers to show that men, as a class are doing the ruling? These numbers alone should be sufficient to prove patriarchy.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm referring to the theoretical patriarchy. You claim the scales are tipped against women, I say they're tipped against men as well as against women, and that feminism cannot actually create equality because it doesn't recognize that the scales are tipped against men as well.

Besides the fact that you know it does.

Men are privileged in society. That is a fact. There are certain disadvantages they faces because of the patriarchy, yes, but it is inevitably rooted in misogyny when referring to a systematic or institutionalized level.

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I don't know.

Probably not, if I'm honest - I'm nothing if not a moderate and a realist. That does not mean, however, it's not a goal worth fighting for.

Every piece of resistance, every time I stand in the face of people like TJ and Ostro, every time I assert my value and my agency, every time I defy all of those who would see me dead and devalued - every time I fight for my rights, every time I fight for equality.

I will always do this. Every action of mine is political, my very being is defiant, and it will remain so until I die.

The least I can do is try my hardest to ease the burden on everyone else.

I don't think you're a moderate when you're fighting back. There's no middle ground to be had. It's all or nothing, and we need to fight to the death for the ultimate end goal of a free society.

I'll concede that, yeah. I wouldn't say there's no moderation possible (I had someone on tumblr say I reeked of internal cissexism because I didn't think "lady boner" was transphobic), but yes, absolutely.

[Freelanderness]

Besides the fact that you know it does.

Men are privileged in society. That is a fact. There are certain disadvantages they faces because of the patriarchy, yes, but it is inevitably rooted in misogyny when referring to a systematic or institutionalized level.

What is this institutionalized level? You believe in a conspiracy, very similar to that of those who believe in the NWO. Who are these patriarchs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chief_executive_officers

etc, etc.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Besides the fact that you know it does.

Men are privileged in society. That is a fact. There are certain disadvantages they faces because of the patriarchy, yes, but it is inevitably rooted in misogyny when referring to a systematic or institutionalized level.

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

If you gave more of a shit about violence you'd give a fuck about rape culture.

[Sailsia]

Also, considering feminists are routinely flipping back and forth between
"We'll address your issues too!"
and
"IT'S A WOMENS RIGHTS MOVEMENT WE DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT!"
often from the same poster, how the fuck am I supposed to take anything you say seriously.
Maybe before complaining that people don't understand feminism you should get together and actually make a coherent and cohesive platform or something.

I've been saying this for years. It would make things so much easier, wouldn't it?

[Ostroeuropa]

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

If you gave more of a shit about violence you'd give a fuck about rape culture.

I do care about rape culture. I don't see how that alters anything about my post.

[The Steel Magnolia]

If you gave more of a shit about violence you'd give a fuck about rape culture.

I do care about rape culture.

Liar.

[Ostroeuropa]

I do care about rape culture.

Liar.

Cool argument bro. Rape culture is, from what I understand, a web of falsehoods and misconceptions pervating society and general culture with regard to the issue of rape.
Some of those effect men too, but even if they didn't i'd still care. Gendered violence is abhorrent.

[Freelanderness]

Besides the fact that you know it does.

Men are privileged in society. That is a fact. There are certain disadvantages they faces because of the patriarchy, yes, but it is inevitably rooted in misogyny when referring to a systematic or institutionalized level.

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

Where's your stats?

[Sailsia]

No, but your ideology is entirely focused on eliminating the patriarchy. So are you saying its a goal that is impossible to accomplish?

I don't know.

Probably not, if I'm honest - I'm nothing if not a moderate and a realist. That does not mean, however, it's not a goal worth fighting for.

Every piece of resistance, every time I stand in the face of people like TJ and Ostro, every time I assert my value and my agency, every time I defy all of those who would see me dead and devalued - every time I fight for my rights, every time I fight for equality.

I will always do this. Every action of mine is political, my very being is defiant, and it will remain so until I die.

The least I can do is try my hardest to ease the burden on everyone else.

The funny thing is, all you're doing is BEING a burden on everyone else. You're kicking and screaming for an ideology that is flawed. Why would you waste all that time and effort in something you know won't work? If it's own premise for existence is wrong, why wouldn't you reject the whole thing? You can believe in equality without believing in an ideology. That's the whole premise of being an independent thinker.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Liar.

Cool argument bro. Rape culture is, from what I understand, a web of falsehoods and misconceptions pervating society and general culture with regard to the issue of rape.
Some of those effect men too, but even if they didn't i'd still care. Gendered violence is abhorrent.

You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

[Sailsia]

What is this institutionalized level? You believe in a conspiracy, very similar to that of those who believe in the NWO. Who are these patriarchs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chief_executive_officers

etc, etc.

That tells me nothing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also, considering feminists are routinely flipping back and forth between
"We'll address your issues too!"
and
"IT'S A WOMENS RIGHTS MOVEMENT WE DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT!"
often from the same poster, how the fuck am I supposed to take anything you say seriously.
Maybe before complaining that people don't understand feminism you should get together and actually make a coherent and cohesive platform or something.

I've been saying this for years. It would make things so much easier, wouldn't it?

The problem with this is the same as Christianity: it is so diverse you can't judge people because of their association to feminism, you have to judge them individually.

[Ostroeuropa]

I disagree that women are more disadvantaged in western society than men. I think men are probably more disadvantaged now.
Women have a safety net and won't fall below it. Men are expected to either be rich, conform to gender stereotypes, or suffer.
I fully accept my personal bias may be coloring the issue given that I give more of a shit about violence than capital.

Where's your stats?

Males have a higher workplace mortality
Males are not likely to receive assistance in domestic violence or rape issues.
Males are routinely considered fair game for violence, whereas women are not.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I don't know.

Probably not, if I'm honest - I'm nothing if not a moderate and a realist. That does not mean, however, it's not a goal worth fighting for.

Every piece of resistance, every time I stand in the face of people like TJ and Ostro, every time I assert my value and my agency, every time I defy all of those who would see me dead and devalued - every time I fight for my rights, every time I fight for equality.

I will always do this. Every action of mine is political, my very being is defiant, and it will remain so until I die.

The least I can do is try my hardest to ease the burden on everyone else.

The funny thing is, all you're doing is BEING a burden on everyone else. You're kicking and screaming for an ideology that is flawed. Why would you waste all that time and effort in something you know won't work? If it's own premise for existence is wrong, why wouldn't you reject the whole thing? You can believe in equality without believing in an ideology. That's the whole premise of being an independent thinker.

Crime and poverty are impossible to eliminate too, should we stop fighting against crime then? Should we abolish all our laws because they do not work universally?

[Sailsia]

I do care about rape culture.

Liar.

Wonderful argument.

[Ostroeuropa]

Cool argument bro. Rape culture is, from what I understand, a web of falsehoods and misconceptions pervating society and general culture with regard to the issue of rape.
Some of those effect men too, but even if they didn't i'd still care. Gendered violence is abhorrent.

You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

Why do you think I lack empathy for victims?

[The Steel Magnolia]

You can in no way reconcile your utter lack of empathy for victims and your claimed hatred of rape culture.

Why do you think I lack empathy for victims?

You care nothing for mental health, you care nothing about promoting public safety.

[United Dependencies]

I can just as easily demonstrate that people with hair are dominating society. It wouldn't mean that theres a systematic oppression of bald people. That society is run by people with hair and by men is somewhat a given.
That doesn't address patriarchy theory, you've just defined one part of it, not addressed or sourced it's actual argument.

Seriously? That's your argument?

Let me reiterate that women make up about 1/2 of the people in our society. Now look at all those stats that Natapoc just posted.

Doesn't that strike as the least bit odd? Even a little?

[Natapoc]

Males are routinely considered fair game for violence, whereas women are not.

Where do you get this from? Does this include all forms of violence? I highly doubt this.

And since when is ANYONE fair game for violence? Committing acts of violence against anyone is wrong regardless of their gender.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The funny thing is, all you're doing is BEING a burden on everyone else. You're kicking and screaming for an ideology that is flawed. Why would you waste all that time and effort in something you know won't work? If it's own premise for existence is wrong, why wouldn't you reject the whole thing? You can believe in equality without believing in an ideology. That's the whole premise of being an independent thinker.

You sound like those anti-immigration folks who call themselves "independent thinkers" but reek of stupid bullshit rhetoric.

Free thinking doesn't involve being a fucking douchebag. Free thinking involves taking the best of every doctrine and school of thought and evaluate an idea's merits.

What you are suggesting is intellectual dishonesty and something akin to not being a free thinker.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why do you think I lack empathy for victims?

You care nothing for mental health, you care nothing about promoting public safety.

No. See, like I said, if you want me to pay taxes so people can get therapy i'm all for it. I care a lot about having a quick an visible response to violence.
What I don't care about is peoples feelings being hurt, and the fact you are incapable of seperating the two is sad.

[Sailsia]

The funny thing is, all you're doing is BEING a burden on everyone else. You're kicking and screaming for an ideology that is flawed. Why would you waste all that time and effort in something you know won't work? If it's own premise for existence is wrong, why wouldn't you reject the whole thing? You can believe in equality without believing in an ideology. That's the whole premise of being an independent thinker.

Crime and poverty are impossible to eliminate too, should we stop fighting against crime then? Should we abolish all our laws because they do not work universally?

Except, it's entirely possible to reduce crime and poverty to near non-existence without creating a dictatorship. The same can't be said for feminism.

[Ostroeuropa]

Males are routinely considered fair game for violence, whereas women are not.

Where do you get this from? Does this include all forms of violence? I highly doubt this.

And since when is ANYONE fair game for violence? Committing acts of violence against anyone is wrong regardless of their gender.

Females striking males will often react harshly if they defend themselves and other males will enter the fray to attack the male defending themselves.