Gay Marriage Legalized In France

[The Emerald Dawn]

In vitro.

You're wrong.

Next.

But I just suggested in vitro and no one listened....

*cries in a corner*

I GEIF EWE KOOKEE.

[Mkuki]

No it isn't. The to people copulating, while performing heterosexual sex, are still homosexual.

They are performing a heterosexual act, which is normal for procreation. Whether they are gay or not in this scenario has no bearing on this.

But you said it does.

Two gays cannot naturally procreate by themselves.

[Valcouria]

Marriage (as it should be) is also a religious institution, outside the frivolous whims of society. And many don't think it's a sin because, from my vantage point, many are deviating away from proper religious orthodoxy.

Society is only demonstrating how it is becoming debauched, debased, and depraved.

In case you didn't realize, religion depends on society. Which explains the rapid liberalization of the Church.

Last time I checked, religion depends on Scripture, which explains why the good old Catholic Church has not bowed to the pressures of society.

[Neutraligon]

No it isn't. The to people copulating, while performing heterosexual sex, are still homosexual.

They are performing a heterosexual act, which is normal for procreation. Whether they are gay or not in this scenario has no bearing on this.

they are still homosexuals who are capable of procreating. As soon as the act is complete they can go right back to their normal partner and enjoy life with them.

[Agymnum]

In case you didn't realize, religion depends on society. Which explains the rapid liberalization of the Church.

Last time I checked, religion depends on Scripture, which explains why the good old Catholic Church has not bowed to the pressures of society.

Catholic Church accepted evolution and a heliocentric universe.

LAWL

[Ainin]

In case you didn't realize, religion depends on society. Which explains the rapid liberalization of the Church.

Last time I checked, religion depends on Scripture, which explains why the good old Catholic Church has not bowed to the pressures of society.

Last time I checked, the Catholic Church wasn't persecuting atheists and heliocentric believers anymore, was it?

[Mystletainn]

In case you didn't realize, religion depends on society. Which explains the rapid liberalization of the Church.

Last time I checked, religion depends on Scripture, which explains why the good old Catholic Church has not bowed to the pressures of society.

Last time I checked the Catholic church is more liberal now than it was a decade ago.

Tada~~

[Agymnum]

Last time I checked, religion depends on Scripture, which explains why the good old Catholic Church has not bowed to the pressures of society.

The Catholic Church isn't persecuting atheists and heliocentric believers anymore, is it?

It has bowed.

Must be just me, but the last time I stopped by a Catholic Church they didn't tie me up and pelt me to death with rocks.

Must've been one of those edgy, liberal churches.

You know, the ones that show up everywhere?

[Mystletainn]

The Catholic Church isn't persecuting atheists and heliocentric believers anymore, is it?

It has bowed.

Must be just me, but the last time I stopped by a Catholic Church they didn't tie me up and pelt me to death with rocks.

Must've been one of those edgy, liberal churches.

You know, the ones that show up everywhere?

[Ainin]

The Catholic Church isn't persecuting atheists and heliocentric believers anymore, is it?

It has bowed.

Must be just me, but the last time I stopped by a Catholic Church they didn't tie me up and pelt me to death with rocks.

Must've been one of those edgy, liberal churches.

You know, the ones that show up everywhere?

Hipsters...

[Anachronous Rex]

In case you didn't realize, religion depends on society. Which explains the rapid liberalization of the Church.

Last time I checked, religion depends on Scripture, which explains why the good old Catholic Church has not bowed to the pressures of society.

Really?

They totally have, many times.

Like, how you can get a Bible in English now. Or how, as of 1964, antisemitism is no longer an official doctrine of the Church (better late then never?)

[Valcouria]

Marriage (as it should be) is also a religious institution, outside the frivolous whims of society. And many don't think it's a sin because, from my vantage point, many are deviating away from proper religious orthodoxy.

Society is only demonstrating how it is becoming debauched, debased, and depraved.

Hmm Im not sure if your joking, but how is gay marriage cause a debaucherous society exactly?

It's not just that...it's pretty much everything since the 60s, when it became normal to go out and have sex 'for fun'...since then, things like abortion, STDs, and this gay marriage have become commonplace. There's no respect for the human body, really...it seems to have devolved into a 'who can sleep with the most people' contest, and with a clear way out (via abortions), there's nothing to turn it back except people like me.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Let the gays marry, continue human race by in vitro-fertilization.


Problem solved for the conservatives...

No damn breeders, no heteros in your way... no religion, no moral whatsoever ...everybody multiple gay marrying everybody...no restraints, only "free love"....Life being just one big endless orgy...
Yes, that would the perfect homosexual society, wouldn´t it ? A gay utopia...

[Ena Zale]

Firstly, let me say this- at 7 point something BILLION people on the planet many of which we cannot afford to feed, 50% of all straight marriages ending in divorce, more and more children every year in the foster care system, and the fact that teenage pregnancy in young girls is on the rise and getting younger every year- why the heck are people against gay marriage? Firstly, 'marriage' was NOT coined by the Christians.It was actually coined by the Sumarians 5000 years ago, wherein a man captured a breeder for his children by kidnapping her from her own family. (this by the way was done multiple times, with an entire harem of women AND men serving one warrior) so the fact that Christians somehow think they own marriage and have the right to say who can and cannot marry is absolute elitist nonsense. I am not anti-christian, by the way, I am against people with no basic common sense who fall back on God at every opportunity to defend beliefs they have no logical reason to support except that it makes them feel icky.

Scientifically speaking, gay marriage is a good idea because it gives legitimacy to a biological imperative. Sex is in human nature, on the hierarchy of basic human needs it falls as a base concern along with food and shelter. there is no reason why two well adjusted gay people, be they women or men, cannot raise children- goodness knows enough 'good, straight and god-fearing people' throw babies in trash cans or put them in the system, which can't afford to care for all of them. It's a sad state that the majority of the people in my country would rather see a crack baby born to a twelve year old and a pedophile than two gay people raising children in a loving home.

By legalizing gay marriage, these couple would be able to work with the system and get those needy children out of foster care. And on the subject of marriage as a tool for breeding? A lot of women can't have children. Should we all become nuns? If a gay couple should want a biological child, what of it? There's plenty of women, who, for a little bit of money or even out of the goodness of their hearts, will gladly help a well adjusted couple welcome a child in their lives.

Children are a blessing regardless, but at our species' stage of development we should be beyond these petty conflicts. a marriage is an act meant to bind two individuals together. Honestly, if the Christians don't want their god brought into it, why not give homosexual companies their own ceremony, one that STRAIGHT people can't partake in? something that reflects THEIR values. Not every wedding ceremony is even christian! i myself prefer handfasting. These people can hold down jobs, love, make friends, raise children and make an impact on others regardless of who they choose to love. So many people hide themselves away in shame, despite all they could do for society, just because of some stupid little thing.

In short- GOOD FOR YOU, FRANCE!

[Mystletainn]

Let the gays marry, continue human race by in vitro-fertilization.


Problem solved for the conservatives...

No damn breeders, no heteros in your way... no religion, no moral whatsoever ...everybody multiple gay marrying everybody...no restraints, only "free love"....Life being just one big endless orgy...
Yes, that would the perfect homosexual society, wouldn´t it ? A gay utopia...

Pessimists

[Agymnum]

Hmm Im not sure if your joking, but how is gay marriage cause a debaucherous society exactly?

It's not just that...it's pretty much everything since the 60s, when it became normal to go out and have sex 'for fun'...since then, things like abortion, STDs, and this gay marriage have become commonplace. There's no respect for the human body, really...it seems to have devolved into a 'who can sleep with the most people' contest, and with a clear way out (via abortions), there's nothing to turn it back except people like me.

'Who cam sleep with the most people'?

Please, I have contests with my friends to see who can go the longest without sex.

I've never lost. Ever.

[Ainin]

Let the gays marry, continue human race by in vitro-fertilization.


Problem solved for the conservatives...

No damn breeders, no heteros in your way... no religion, no moral whatsoever ...everybody multiple gay marrying everybody...no restraints, only "free love"....Life being just one big endless orgy...
Yes, that would the perfect homosexual society, wouldn´t it ? A gay utopia...

Don't get a gay marriage if you don't wanna. But why deprive the people who do want one? What bad could possibly happen as a result of letting two people who have true love for each other marry?

[Mystletainn]

Firstly, let me say this- at 7 point something BILLION people on the planet many of which we cannot afford to feed, 50% of all straight marriages ending in divorce, more and more children every year in the foster care system, and the fact that teenage pregnancy in young girls is on the rise and getting younger every year- why the heck are people against gay marriage? Firstly, 'marriage' was NOT coined by the Christians.It was actually coined by the Sumarians 5000 years ago, wherein a man captured a breeder for his children by kidnapping her from her own family. (this by the way was done multiple times, with an entire harem of women AND men serving one warrior) so the fact that Christians somehow think they own marriage and have the right to say who can and cannot marry is absolute elitist nonsense. I am not anti-christian, by the way, I am against people with no basic common sense who fall back on God at every opportunity to defend beliefs they have no logical reason to support except that it makes them feel icky.

Scientifically speaking, gay marriage is a good idea because it gives legitimacy to a biological imperative. Sex is in human nature, on the hierarchy of basic human needs it falls as a base concern along with food and shelter. there is no reason why two well adjusted gay people, be they women or men, cannot raise children- goodness knows enough 'good, straight and god-fearing people' throw babies in trash cans or put them in the system, which can't afford to care for all of them. It's a sad state that the majority of the people in my country would rather see a crack baby born to a twelve year old and a pedophile than two gay people raising children in a loving home.

By legalizing gay marriage, these couple would be able to work with the system and get those needy children out of foster care. And on the subject of marriage as a tool for breeding? A lot of women can't have children. Should we all become nuns? If a gay couple should want a biological child, what of it? There's plenty of women, who, for a little bit of money or even out of the goodness of their hearts, will gladly help a well adjusted couple welcome a child in their lives.

Children are a blessing regardless, but at our species' stage of development we should be beyond these petty conflicts. a marriage is an act meant to bind two individuals together. Honestly, if the Christians don't want their god brought into it, why not give homosexual companies their own ceremony, one that STRAIGHT people can't partake in? something that reflects THEIR values. Not every wedding ceremony is even christian! i myself prefer handfasting. These people can hold down jobs, love, make friends, raise children and make an impact on others regardless of who they choose to love. So many people hide themselves away in shame, despite all they could do for society, just because of some stupid little thing.

In short- GOOD FOR YOU, FRANCE!

You win a cupcake of fantabulousness.

[Agymnum]

Let the gays marry, continue human race by in vitro-fertilization.


Problem solved for the conservatives...

No damn breeders, no heteros in your way... no religion, no moral whatsoever ...everybody multiple gay marrying everybody...no restraints, only "free love"....Life being just one big endless orgy...
Yes, that would the perfect homosexual society, wouldn´t it ? A gay utopia...

Hey, point me in that direction! Sounds like fun!

Well, except for the orgy part, since I'm an asexual and all that.

[Valcouria]

Even before monotheistic religions, marriage was still largely considered to be between one man and one woman.

And as for trying to extinguish our religions, I can assure you that you will have quite a fight on your hands if you try to do that.

Reason will extinguish religion. Logic always triumphs over superstition.

Your God's power is waning with every scientific discovery we make. Soon he will be nothing more than a pittance.

I will refrain from saying what I want to say...and instead will say that you are entitled to your beliefs as much as I am to mine. And mine say that religion will NEVER be extinguished, because, whether you like it or not, faith drives reason. By reasoning, you display faith in a particular fact.

[Ainin]

Reason will extinguish religion. Logic always triumphs over superstition.

Your God's power is waning with every scientific discovery we make. Soon he will be nothing more than a pittance.

I will refrain from saying what I want to say...and instead will say that you are entitled to your beliefs as much as I am to mine. And mine say that religion will NEVER be extinguished, because, whether you like it or not, faith drives reason. By reasoning, you display faith in a particular fact.

Prove your bullshit.

EDIT: Faith =/= Religion

[Mystletainn]

Reason will extinguish religion. Logic always triumphs over superstition.

Your God's power is waning with every scientific discovery we make. Soon he will be nothing more than a pittance.

I will refrain from saying what I want to say...and instead will say that you are entitled to your beliefs as much as I am to mine. And mine say that religion will NEVER be extinguished, because, whether you like it or not, faith drives reason. By reasoning, you display faith in a particular fact.

Reason=/=Faith

[Agymnum]

Reason will extinguish religion. Logic always triumphs over superstition.

Your God's power is waning with every scientific discovery we make. Soon he will be nothing more than a pittance.

I will refrain from saying what I want to say...and instead will say that you are entitled to your beliefs as much as I am to mine. And mine say that religion will NEVER be extinguished, because, whether you like it or not, faith drives reason. By reasoning, you display faith in a particular fact.

Faith =/= trust

I trust in particular facts. But I do not put faith in them. Faith is blind, trust is based on prior knowledge and reasoning.

I refuse to be blind.

/end off-topic

[Valcouria]

AGAIN...not about the fact of overpopulation. It's about the ability to create the next generation (THE ABILITY, NOT THE FACT). Gays cannot do this. Only man and woman can do this.

In vitro.

You're wrong.

Next.

In vitro...REQUIRES A MALE SPERM AND A FEMALE EGG...a man...and a woman...why is this so hard to accept? Man and woman are NEEDED to procreate, even by unnatural methods.

[The Emerald Dawn]

In vitro.

You're wrong.

Next.

In vitro...REQUIRES A MALE SPERM AND A FEMALE EGG...a man...and a woman...why is this so hard to accept? Man and woman are NEEDED to procreate, even by unnatural methods.

You're saying gays can't do it. Give me a turkey baster and I'll prove you wrong.