Gay Marriage Legalized In France

[Veceria]

See, people like him give me a reason to say that my country needs looser gun-laws

Nothing baffles me more than people actually preaching for a holy war against gay marriage.

Seriously? What's the big fucking deal? We're not telling you you can't be a homophobic religious prick. In fact, knock yourself out with that holy water and misrepresented scripture.

Mass suicide by holy water? Sounds like a fun headline ...

[Blekksprutia]

Liriena, could you please stop it with the "Stop lying" thing ? It´s very rude to call people liars only because their opinions are different than yours. Who do you think you are, some kind of truth-bearer ?
Please stop it. thank you.

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Blekksprutia]

Nothing baffles me more than people actually preaching for a holy war against gay marriage.

Seriously? What's the big fucking deal? We're not telling you you can't be a homophobic religious prick. In fact, knock yourself out with that holy water and misrepresented scripture.

Mass suicide by holy water? Sounds like a fun headline ...

Great headline.

[Neutraligon]

Liriena, could you please stop it with the "Stop lying" thing ? It´s very rude to call people liars only because their opinions are different than yours. Who do you think you are, some kind of truth-bearer ?
Please stop it. thank you.

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So, what about how someone was raised affects their sexuality?

[St George]

this is a big leap forward in the path of individual freedom!

It really isn't.

I mean it's great for French homosexuals and everything, but they had marriage in everything but name beforehand. It's a step forward rather than a leap.

A leap would be one of the 73 countries where homosexuality is illegal making it legal. But no one ever mentions that.

[Blekksprutia]

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So, what about how someone was raised affects their sexuality?

I don't know. It might be subconscious. It's just my theory. It could be something decided in utero, but until scientists can isolate a gene and prove that, I'm sticking with my theory.

[Liriena]

this is a big leap forward in the path of individual freedom!

It really isn't.

1) I mean it's great for French homosexuals and everything, but they had marriage in everything but name beforehand. It's a step forward rather than a leap.

2) A leap would be one of the 73 countries where homosexuality is illegal making it legal. But no one ever mentions that.

1) Not true. They had almost all rights associated with marriage, except when it came to parenting. This new law finally gives same-sex couples and their children the exact same rights as all other families.

2) When the Western hemisphere finally gets its shit together and sets a proper example, those 73 countries will be next in line.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Liriena, could you please stop it with the "Stop lying" thing ? It´s very rude to call people liars only because their opinions are different than yours. Who do you think you are, some kind of truth-bearer ?
Please stop it. thank you.

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I can´t, because I think you are correct. Homosexuals are victims of either nature or nurture. So they try to deal with it pretending it´s ok, in some cathartic way - with gay parades and gay prides and the whole show.
I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

[Herrebrugh]

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I can´t, because I think you are correct. Homosexuals are victims of either nature or nurture. So they try to deal with it pretending it´s ok, in some cathartic way - with gay parades and gay prides and the whole show.
I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

I'm not a victim of anything...

[Neutraligon]

So, what about how someone was raised affects their sexuality?

I don't know. It might be subconscious. It's just my theory. It could be something decided in utero, but until scientists can isolate a gene and prove that, I'm sticking with my theory.

So random guess. It isn't a theory, it is a guess, and one not scientifically supported. There is evidence that hormones in utero affect gay men. Also, it would be hihgly unlikely that one gene would affect sexuality, if sexuality is affected by genes.

[Liriena]

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

Do you get actively marginalized for being heterosexual? Have you ever been denied housing or a job for your heterosexuality? Have you been hated on by your family and friends for being heterosexual?

If not, then it's unlikely you will ever understand the meaning behind pride parades.

[Neutraligon]

The other things may be opinion, but it isn't true for most people that sexuality is something that can be changed at will, that people have complete control over. I don't think it's something that one would be born with, either. I think the deciding factor is in how the person was raised, mostly. Unless you can choose how you're raised, you can't choose your sexuality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I can´t, because I think you are correct. Homosexuals are victims of either nature or nurture. So they try to deal with it pretending it´s ok, in some cathartic way - with gay parades and gay prides and the whole show.
I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality either. It might be more rare, but so is being left handed. Homosexuality itself does not directly harm the human.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

I can´t, because I think you are correct. Homosexuals are victims of either nature or nurture. So they try to deal with it pretending it´s ok, in some cathartic way - with gay parades and gay prides and the whole show.
I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality either. It might be more rare, but so is being left handed. Homosexuality itself does not directly harm the human.

What about left-handed homosexuals ? Are they even rarer than others ?
No...I wouldn´t use it as a way to compare. But I understand, homosexuality really is a biological condition. A natural mishap.

[Ovisterra]

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality either. It might be more rare, but so is being left handed. Homosexuality itself does not directly harm the human.

What about left-handed homosexuals ? Are they even rarer than others ?
No...I wouldn´t use it as a way to compare. But I understand, homosexuality really is a biological condition. A natural mishap.

...let's not use the word mishap. Mishap implies it's worse. It's inferior. It's the wrong thing.

It's not. I'm not really fond of sitting here and listening to people telling me that untold numbers of my friends and family and classmates are a "mishap". Fuck that noise.

[St George]

It really isn't.

1) I mean it's great for French homosexuals and everything, but they had marriage in everything but name beforehand. It's a step forward rather than a leap.

2) A leap would be one of the 73 countries where homosexuality is illegal making it legal. But no one ever mentions that.

1) Not true. They had almost all rights associated with marriage, except when it came to parenting. This new law finally gives same-sex couples and their children the exact same rights as all other families.

Fair enough then. It's a greater step forward than I thought.

2) When the Western hemisphere finally gets its shit together and sets a proper example, those 73 countries will be next in line.

Belize. Antigua and Barbuda. Barbados. Dominica. Grenada. Jamaica (homophobia capital of the world). Saint Kitts and Nevis. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Trinidad and Tobago. Guyana.

And that's ignoring African countries in the Western hemisphere.

[Benuty]

Response to western critics of LGBT marriage.

[Ovisterra]

(Image)

I'd be like "no shit".

And then I'd spend some time wishing we would, therefore, get a move on and legalise it.

[The Carlisle]

Great job France. Hopefully other countries will follow suit in the next few years.

[Benuty]

(Image)

I'd be like "no shit".

And then I'd spend some time wishing we would, therefore, get a move on and legalise it.

We need to get these old regime farts out of the political field in the worlds democracies ( one of the many reasons why equal marriage has only spread to 14 countries or part of countries)

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

Do you get actively marginalized for being heterosexual? Have you ever been denied housing or a job for your heterosexuality? Have you been hated on by your family and friends for being heterosexual?

I´d never deny a homosexual a job or a house, I´d give him both - they say homosexuals are great at arts and crafts.

[Blekksprutia]

Homosexuals are victims of either nature or nurture.

"Victims?" Homosexuality is not victimization. It's a sexuality just like heterosexuality or bisexuality.

So they try to deal with it pretending it´s ok, in some cathartic way - with gay parades and gay prides and the whole show.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being gay.

I´m straight. Do I go around flaunting my heterosexuality ? Of course not, because there´s nothing wrong with MY sexuality.

...implying that there's something wrong with homosexuality, which I have already stated my opinion on.

I can't tell you that you have to stop believing that homosexuality is wrong. You have the right to believe what you believe. I'm simply stating my beliefs as well.

I´d never deny a homosexual a job or a house, I´d give him both - they say homosexuals are great at arts and crafts.

That's stereotyping, which, even if it's flattering, it's always wrong. That I'm going to tell you is wrong.

[Ovisterra]

Do you get actively marginalized for being heterosexual? Have you ever been denied housing or a job for your heterosexuality? Have you been hated on by your family and friends for being heterosexual?

I´d never deny a homosexual a job or a house, I´d give him both

There, good. You're being civ-

- they say homosexuals are great at arts and crafts.

And you ruined it. You had to throw in a stereotype.

[Condunum]

Does it hurt them? No.

Does it affect them directly? No.

Does it benefit society? Yes.

**** your bigotry.

Changing the definition of marriage hardly benefits society; rather, it seems to harm it since morality is compromised and permanent institutions are no longer permanent. In addition, being anti-gay is not bigotry. Finally, using foul language is the very mark of immaturity.

Translation: BOOHOO MY MARRIAGE WILL BE THE SAME BUT OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE MARRIAGES TOO AND I DON'T LIKE THAT I'M A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE.

And I'll use foul language whenever the fuck I want, and I don't give two shits about what you think.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Changing the definition of marriage hardly benefits society; rather, it seems to harm it since morality is compromised and permanent institutions are no longer permanent. In addition, being anti-gay is not bigotry. Finally, using foul language is the very mark of immaturity.

Translation: BOOHOO MY MARRIAGE WILL BE THE SAME BUT OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE MARRIAGES TOO AND I DON'T LIKE THAT I'M A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE.

And I'll use foul language whenever the fuck I want, and I don't give two shits about what you think.

But do you give one shit? Or three shits?

[Condunum]

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality either. It might be more rare, but so is being left handed. Homosexuality itself does not directly harm the human.

What about left-handed homosexuals ? Are they even rarer than others ?
No...I wouldn´t use it as a way to compare. But I understand, homosexuality really is a biological condition. A natural mishap.

Mishap? Really? Life ITSELF is a mishap.