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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:37 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:You should watch a few movies here is a list:
Forest Gump
1984
Star Ship Troopers

What do these have to do with fucking anything.

Thats where the whole "stupid is as stupid does" quote came from.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:37 pm

The Marxist State wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Legitimizing homosexuality will lead to lower birth rates.

HOW! NO ONE who makes this argument has been able to provide a SINGLE piece of evidence for this from any of the many states and countries that have legalized marriage, let alone a decent explanation.

And, as I have said, it will open the floodgates of more morally depraved behavior (legalized incest, polygamy, pederasty, zoophilia, etc.)

And as everyone else has said, this is a fucking stupid argument because.
A. Incest has very clear negative effects are far as health goes.
B. What's wrong with polygamy if all parties are consenting?
C. Children can't give consent to marriage.
D. FOR GOD'S SAKE ANIMALS ARE NOT CAPABLE OF GIVING CONSENT


If gay people can marry as heterosexual people, then they will be less inclined (and be unnaturally able) to procreate. Maybe not right away, but over time this will likely become apparent.
A. You're putting up a double standard with polygamy, since, as you say, 'what's wrong if all parties are consenting?' But yes, incest will have horrible effects on the human population.
B. The relationship between one man and one woman is superior to that of many men and women...for one, the specter of jealousy is much less present, and it is impossible to love more than one person the same way.
C./D. Consent is a subjective thing...it could be changed at will by society to allow for these, if it so desired.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:38 pm

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Valcouria wrote:Legitimizing homosexuality will lead to lower birth rates.


And do you have proof? Japan hasn't legalised gay marriage and it's birth rate has been declining for decades.

And as for other mammals with homosexuality, they only serve to augment my argument that they do not contribute to the procreation of their species, and are thus nothing but defects.


God created all animals. Therefore, God created animals with homosexuality. And if God created man in his image, therefore he might have had a fabulous side himself. After all, if he is such a benevolent and all-loving God, I can't imagine that his image is reflected in people like you.

Oh, and as for homosexuals being defects, I suggest one looks in the mirror. I think ultra-religious people have some sort of defect in that they believe the most abhorrent bullshit.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:38 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:You should watch a few movies here is a list:
Forest Gump
1984
Star Ship Troopers

What do these have to do with fucking anything.
Mind not threadjacking to get around your stupid comments?


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Where the hell do you get those awesome pictures of cats?! They are awesome!
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:39 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Condunum wrote:What do these have to do with fucking anything.

Thats where the whole "stupid is as stupid does" quote came from.

No, that's where they were popularized. You're still dodging the fact that you made a completely fucking stupid statement that proves you have absolutely zero knowledge of human psychology.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:40 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Condunum wrote:What do these have to do with fucking anything.
Mind not threadjacking to get around your stupid comments?


I know this is off-topic, but I'll ask anyways:

Where the hell do you get those awesome pictures of cats?! They are awesome!

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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:40 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Legitimizing homosexuality will lead to lower birth rates.


And do you have proof? Japan hasn't legalised gay marriage and it's birth rate has been declining for decades.

And as for other mammals with homosexuality, they only serve to augment my argument that they do not contribute to the procreation of their species, and are thus nothing but defects.


God created all animals. Therefore, God created animals with homosexuality. And if God created man in his image, therefore he might have had a fabulous side himself. After all, if he is such a benevolent and all-loving God, I can't imagine that his image is reflected in people like you.

Oh, and as for homosexuals being defects, I suggest one looks in the mirror. I think ultra-religious people have some sort of defect in that they believe the most abhorrent bullshit.

That's because Japan is, I believe, doing what the rest of us should do; practice abstinence.
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Postby Agymnum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:40 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Thats where the whole "stupid is as stupid does" quote came from.

No, that's where they were popularized. You're still dodging the fact that you made a completely fucking stupid statement that proves you have absolutely zero knowledge of human psychology.


I would suggest he widen his frame of reference if he believes "stupid is as stupid does" was actually invented on Forrest Gump, 1984, or Starship Troopers.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:40 pm

Valcouria wrote:
The Marxist State wrote:HOW! NO ONE who makes this argument has been able to provide a SINGLE piece of evidence for this from any of the many states and countries that have legalized marriage, let alone a decent explanation.


And as everyone else has said, this is a fucking stupid argument because.
A. Incest has very clear negative effects are far as health goes.
B. What's wrong with polygamy if all parties are consenting?
C. Children can't give consent to marriage.
D. FOR GOD'S SAKE ANIMALS ARE NOT CAPABLE OF GIVING CONSENT


If gay people can marry as heterosexual people, then they will be less inclined (and be unnaturally able) to procreate. Maybe not right away, but over time this will likely become apparent.
A. You're putting up a double standard with polygamy, since, as you say, 'what's wrong if all parties are consenting?' But yes, incest will have horrible effects on the human population.
B. The relationship between one man and one woman is superior to that of many men and women...for one, the specter of jealousy is much less present, and it is impossible to love more than one person the same way.
C./D. Consent is a subjective thing...it could be changed at will by society to allow for these, if it so desired.

A)Where does gay marriage lead to incest?
B)FOR GODS SAKE, source this, or stop making this bullshit statement
C)No,means no, yes means yes.
Not that hard.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:41 pm

Wazkyraque wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:So, since France legalized gay marriage, following US foreign policy, we need to invade Belgium.

Clearly, this is the only logical course of action left to us to prevent the Great Gay Horde from taking over global cheese markets.

Belgium hasn't legalized it either?
.-.
That's odd, considering that their president is fabulously homosexual.

Erm...Belgium's a monarchy.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:41 pm

Valcouria wrote:First, I find it humorous that you are trying to shame me into silence.


No need for me to do anything. I'm not the one that believes that homosexuals are defects and defends domestic violence by saying "dat bitch had it coming".

Those Christians prefer to focus solely on the love part rather than the institutional part of marriage.


Because that's what most marriages are about. Love. Sealing the bond in front of whatever deity you worship has been done for thousands of years before Christianity even existed.

It should be a balance, and my own belief is toward the latter rather than the former.


Whatever you believe doesn't count for shit. It's about time you learnt this.

To the educated person, someone's habits and traits should make it obvious. But, when blinded by petty emotion, the logic tends to go out the window.


Firstly, you wouldn't be talking about yourself now? Because no educated person would even make an attempt to assume that anyone had it coming. Secondly, people find telling what people are really like difficult in some ways.

Ties in to three; they don't deserve it.


Oh, so that makes it all better. Apparently, if you had it coming, you didn't deserve whatever it was. Logic at it's finest.

I wouldn't support domestic abuse at all.


Bullshit. You said that people who got abused had it coming.

What you call an argument I would prefer to call 'verbal shaming.' But, to each his own.


What argument? I'm merely saying "you're wrong" to everything you say. If there is any shaming being done, it's because you have such shameful opinions. Don't blame me for your hateful bigoted opinions just because I, and everyone else, sees them for what they really are.
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Postby Agymnum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:43 pm

Valcouria wrote:That's because Japan is, I believe, doing what the rest of us should do; practice abstinence.
God created homosexuality to test our love for His dual creation of man and woman; the strong are able to overcome the defect, while the weak succumb to it.

And as for trying to shame me into silence (again), I already know I'm destined for purgatory. I accept it.


Well I'm destined to be worm food, and I accept that. Maybe a tree will grow on me one day, who knows?

And if abstinence is so great, why does God object to homosexual relations? Clearly he's against heterosexual relations if he's pro-abstinence, and yet people say sex is a holy act. Should not homosexual relations be a holy act under this logic as well?

Or is God just being a douche?
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:43 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:

And do you have proof? Japan hasn't legalised gay marriage and it's birth rate has been declining for decades.



God created all animals. Therefore, God created animals with homosexuality. And if God created man in his image, therefore he might have had a fabulous side himself. After all, if he is such a benevolent and all-loving God, I can't imagine that his image is reflected in people like you.

Oh, and as for homosexuals being defects, I suggest one looks in the mirror. I think ultra-religious people have some sort of defect in that they believe the most abhorrent bullshit.

That's because Japan is, I believe, doing what the rest of us should do; practice abstinence.
God created homosexuality to test our love for His dual creation of man and woman; the strong are able to overcome the defect, while the weak succumb to it.

And as for trying to shame me into silence (again), I already know I'm destined for purgatory. I accept it.

We're not shaming you, your pulling bullocks out your ass, were striking it down with facts.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:44 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Wazkyraque wrote:Belgium hasn't legalized it either?
.-.
That's odd, considering that their president is fabulously homosexual.

Erm...Belgium's a waffle .

Fixed
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by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
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It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
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there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:47 pm

New Libertarian States wrote:
Valcouria wrote:
If gay people can marry as heterosexual people, then they will be less inclined (and be unnaturally able) to procreate. Maybe not right away, but over time this will likely become apparent.
A. You're putting up a double standard with polygamy, since, as you say, 'what's wrong if all parties are consenting?' But yes, incest will have horrible effects on the human population.
B. The relationship between one man and one woman is superior to that of many men and women...for one, the specter of jealousy is much less present, and it is impossible to love more than one person the same way.
C./D. Consent is a subjective thing...it could be changed at will by society to allow for these, if it so desired.

A)Where does gay marriage lead to incest?
B)FOR GODS SAKE, source this, or stop making this bullshit statement
C)No,means no, yes means yes.
Not that hard.

A. If marriage between people of the same sex becomes the norm, then other unnatural relationships will likely be legalized (such as marriages between siblings and the like).
B. I already have. Man and woman can naturally have children via the sex act. To me, this makes their relationship superior to gay ones, since the latter cannot naturally (via the sex act) replicate the outcome.
C. Indeed...as of now, the law says children cannot give consent, nor can animals...but children can say 'yes' or 'no', and animals in heat can demonstrate their consent in a physical manner.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:48 pm

Valcouria wrote:That's because Japan is, I believe, doing what the rest of us should do; practice abstinence.


Wrong again.

Both of them attribute high working hours and high job insecurity for younger people are some of the reasons why the Japanese birth rate is falling.

God created homosexuality to test our love for His dual creation of man and woman; the strong are able to overcome the defect, while the weak succumb to it.


Therefore, God must love homosexuals. After all, he created them, did he not? And he has unconditional love for everyone, does he not?

And as for trying to shame me into silence (again), I already know I'm destined for purgatory. I accept it.


And as I said, blame me all you want but you have no one but yourself to blame.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:48 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:A)Where does gay marriage lead to incest?
B)FOR GODS SAKE, source this, or stop making this bullshit statement
C)No,means no, yes means yes.
Not that hard.

A. If marriage between people of the same sex becomes the norm, then other unnatural relationships will likely be legalized (such as marriages between siblings and the like).
B. I already have. Man and woman can naturally have children via the sex act. To me, this makes their relationship superior to gay ones, since the latter cannot naturally (via the sex act) replicate the outcome.
C. Indeed...as of now, the law says children cannot give consent, nor can animals...but children can say 'yes' or 'no', and animals in heat can demonstrate their consent in a physical manner.

A) Source?
B) Should the elderly and infertile be able to marry?
C) Yes or no from a child does not consent make.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:51 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:A)Where does gay marriage lead to incest?
B)FOR GODS SAKE, source this, or stop making this bullshit statement
C)No,means no, yes means yes.
Not that hard.

A. If marriage between people of the same sex becomes the norm, then other unnatural relationships will likely be legalized (such as marriages between siblings and the like).
B. I already have. Man and woman can naturally have children via the sex act. To me, this makes their relationship superior to gay ones, since the latter cannot naturally (via the sex act) replicate the outcome.
C. Indeed...as of now, the law says children cannot give consent, nor can animals...but children can say 'yes' or 'no', and animals in heat can demonstrate their consent in a physical manner.


1 - No not necessarily. There has to be a de-sensitivity of these "taboos" first before allowing it. Incest is pretty much still not acceptable at all by even gay people.

2 - So having a child is burden of superiority? Does that mean infertile women are "inferior"? How dignified of you Mr. Good Will!

3 - Animals don't even have the same cognitive reasoning as a human. And children are not mature enough to give proper consent.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:54 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Valcouria wrote:First, I find it humorous that you are trying to shame me into silence.


No need for me to do anything. I'm not the one that believes that homosexuals are defects and defends domestic violence by saying "dat bitch had it coming".

Those Christians prefer to focus solely on the love part rather than the institutional part of marriage.


Because that's what most marriages are about. Love. Sealing the bond in front of whatever deity you worship has been done for thousands of years before Christianity even existed.

It should be a balance, and my own belief is toward the latter rather than the former.


Whatever you believe doesn't count for shit. It's about time you learnt this.

To the educated person, someone's habits and traits should make it obvious. But, when blinded by petty emotion, the logic tends to go out the window.


Firstly, you wouldn't be talking about yourself now? Because no educated person would even make an attempt to assume that anyone had it coming. Secondly, people find telling what people are really like difficult in some ways.

Ties in to three; they don't deserve it.


Oh, so that makes it all better. Apparently, if you had it coming, you didn't deserve whatever it was. Logic at it's finest.

I wouldn't support domestic abuse at all.


Bullshit. You said that people who got abused had it coming.

What you call an argument I would prefer to call 'verbal shaming.' But, to each his own.


What argument? I'm merely saying "you're wrong" to everything you say. If there is any shaming being done, it's because you have such shameful opinions. Don't blame me for your hateful bigoted opinions just because I, and everyone else, sees them for what they really are.

1. You can try to twist my words to allow for you to shame me as you see fit, but I don't support domestic violence at all. I merely said that those people who are abused were foolish in the first place for allowing their emotions to get in the way of blatant facts.
2. If my beliefs don't count, then yours don't either; it's all relative.
5. I could really care less about your opinions on my beliefs; they won't change no matter how much shaming you try (matter of fact, they might get worse because of it).
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Postby Wazkyraque » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:55 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Wazkyraque wrote:Belgium hasn't legalized it either?
.-.
That's odd, considering that their president is fabulously homosexual.

Erm...Belgium's a monarchy.

They have a prime minister, Elio di Rupo, who is gay. I shouldn't have used the term "President", my mistake.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:56 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:A)Where does gay marriage lead to incest?
B)FOR GODS SAKE, source this, or stop making this bullshit statement
C)No,means no, yes means yes.
Not that hard.

A. If marriage between people of the same sex becomes the norm, then other unnatural relationships will likely be legalized (such as marriages between siblings and the like).
B. I already have. Man and woman can naturally have children via the sex act. To me, this makes their relationship superior to gay ones, since the latter cannot naturally (via the sex act) replicate the outcome.
C. Indeed...as of now, the law says children cannot give consent, nor can animals...but children can say 'yes' or 'no', and animals in heat can demonstrate their consent in a physical manner.

A)Because..... Why?I don't see too many incest pride parades
B)Where can I find said source? Unless its from you, which ISN'T a source.
3)Were not talking about dogs or cats, were talking about PEOPLE.
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Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Not a Libertarian, just like the name.[benevolentthomas] horse is a defender leader in multiple region- whore organizations.
23:07 Unibot If an article could have a sack of testicles - it would.

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:57 pm

Valcouria wrote:1. You can try to twist my words to allow for you to shame me as you see fit, but I don't support domestic violence at all. I merely said that those people who are abused were foolish in the first place for allowing their emotions to get in the way of blatant facts.
2. If my beliefs don't count, then yours don't either; it's all relative.
5. I could really care less about your opinions on my beliefs; they won't change no matter how much shaming you try (matter of fact, they might get worse because of it).


1 - Bullshit, when you are with someone you HAVE to use emotions. Shit, it seems you have never loved anyone.

2 - Your beliefs are pathetic, and as a fellow Christian I have no reservations telling you so

5 - As a Christian, I also find your close-mindedness completely idiotic. You are the kind of people Jesus was warning people about not becoming. Self-Righteous people don't belong in a society which was primarily founded on love and harmony.
Soldati senza confini: Better than an iPod in shuffle more with 20,000 songs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

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Thafoo
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Postby Thafoo » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:59 pm

This is going the way of all debates ._.

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