Gay Marriage Legalized In France

[Agymnum]

We cn...do two things at once.

Fighting two wars and trying to fix the national debt is not as important as allowing gays to marry?

Ironically enough, us liberals are not paying much attention to gay marriage.

Really, the nice thing about being a liberal is that gay marriage takes up so little of your time. You have bigger things to worry about, like the national debt, the fact America uses torture, and the fact the American education system is an embarrassment compared to Europe.

It's only those who oppose gay marriage who spend so much time talking about it. I mean, if we just passed a law legalizing gay marriage, maybe we would get more important shit done.

[Valcouria]

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I...but I don't think people have abandoned religion en masse as you say they have, and I doubt they ever will.

Actually, most people have moved on from the whole fearing of God and witches era as you seem to be stuck in. Most Christians I know respect other people's rights. They are progressive.

As I've said before, I consider love and happiness to be personal detriments.

Because they interfere with your apparent unconditional love for God and his unconditional love for everyone, including homosexuals?

Children should only be brought up in stable heterosexual relationships.

Right, because heterosexual relationships are inherently stable. As I said, how many kids are being brought up in broken homes? How many marriages end in divorce?

Divorce is a terrible thing, since it is not only a cop-out to a marriage but, as you said, causes problems for children. People shouldn't marry so frivolously, in my opinion.

Your opinion really doesn't cut the mustard. Some divorces are legitimate and others are not. Would you call a divorce illegitimate when one of the partners is abusing the other one, or abusing a member of the family, or is a danger to the children, or has cheated?

You can try to intimidate me into silence, but I won't bend to the will of others so easily. This should have been apparent by now.

That's your choice. Others wouldn't be so foolish.

1. The only Being I love is God and the Trinity He is in. As for homosexuality, I believe I have said it before, but my take on it is 'hate the sin, love the sinner.' The sinner at least has the possibility of being redeemed from their ways.
2. Most that I've seen have been. The ones that haven't been are the result of two people blindly following their emotions without proper knowledge.
3. Divorce wouldn't be necessary if people didn't blindly follow their emotions into one only later to find out they made a mistake. Abuse falls into that category; a person should know that the other individual is abusive before getting married, otherwise it's their fault.
4. Foolish for sticking to their guns? I would be apt to think that those that don't are the fools.

[Neutraligon]

Appeals to nature are not an argument.

Really? Appealing to the very foundation of society is not an acceptable argument? Then what is? The trivial notion of fairness and equality? Those can change. Natural functions cannot.

Marriage changs, it used to be one man many women, then it was one man owning one woman, then it became one man one woman partners. Marriage changes. Christian marriage changes. The very founding of society is not just reproduction, it is social interaction. That includes , but is not limited to reproduction. Natural functions are irrelevant, especially as one day, there may be artificial wombs, male eggs, and female sperm.

[Thafoo]

"Honey, GET YER GUNS, were going to insure we are the dominant way of thinking ".
I remember a man with a nice mustache having a similar idea like this.

Ya he was a good guy like to hit the needle a bit to much tho but he was a great speaker and turned a defeated nation into a superpower.

When you tell me that Hitler was a good guy...

There are no words to say to you. That's fucking insane to say that the mass murderer of millions was a "good guy who liked to hit the needle too much" then I lose all hope for you.

[Thafoo]

Fighting two wars and trying to fix the national debt is not as important as allowing gays to marry?

Ironically enough, us liberals are not paying much attention to gay marriage.

Really, the nice thing about being a liberal is that gay marriage takes up so little of your time. You have bigger things to worry about, like the national debt, the fact America uses torture, and the fact the American education system is an embarrassment compared to Europe.

It's only those who oppose gay marriage who spend so much time talking about it. I mean, if we just passed a law legalizing gay marriage, maybe we would get more important shit done.

It's people like them who are slowing things down.

[Austerland]

Faith in humanity: +1

[The empire of Washington]

For Christ sake can we have one gay marriage thread that does not turn into petty 6th grade B.S.?

[Benuty]

For Christ sake can we have one gay marriage thread that does not turn into petty 6th grade B.S.?

Your to late for that my friend....to late.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Fighting two wars and trying to fix the national debt is not as important as allowing gays to marry?

Ironically enough, us liberals are not paying much attention to gay marriage.

Really, the nice thing about being a liberal is that gay marriage takes up so little of your time. You have bigger things to worry about, like the national debt, the fact America uses torture, and the fact the American education system is an embarrassment compared to Europe.

It's only those who oppose gay marriage who spend so much time talking about it. I mean, if we just passed a law legalizing gay marriage, maybe we would get more important shit done.

Or if we just ignored it? And what wrong with torture? what are you going to do ask a religious fanatic to give up information nicely?

[Agymnum]

For Christ sake can we have one gay marriage thread that does not turn into petty 6th grade B.S.?

There's no valid anti-same sex marriage argument that isn't petty 6th grade B.S.

Case-in-point, we have people resorting to the fact it's disgusting, to the fact it's unnatural (which is false), to the fact it can't bear children (so can't old people or sterile people or celibate people, but they still get married), and to the fact that it's against their religious beliefs (separation of church and state nullifies this).

[New Libertarian States]

"Honey, GET YER GUNS, were going to insure we are the dominant way of thinking ".
I remember a man with a nice mustache having a similar idea like this.

Ya he was a good guy like to hit the needle a bit to much tho but he was a great speaker and turned a defeated nation into a superpower.

Yes, a man who historically oppressed people, extremely imperialistic, and insane man is who I want to run my nation.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Ya he was a good guy like to hit the needle a bit to much tho but he was a great speaker and turned a defeated nation into a superpower.

When you tell me that Hitler was a good guy...

There are no words to say to you. That's fucking insane to say that the mass murderer of millions was a "good guy who liked to hit the needle too much" then I lose all hope for you.

You had hope for me in the first place?

[Valcouria]

Really? Appealing to the very foundation of society is not an acceptable argument? Then what is? The trivial notion of fairness and equality? Those can change. Natural functions cannot.

Marriage changes, it used to be one man many women, then it was one man owning one woman, then it became one man one woman partners. Marriage changes. Christian marriage changes. The very founding of society is not just reproduction, it is social interaction. That includes , but is not limited to reproduction. Natural functions are irrelevant, especially as one day, there may be artificial wombs, male eggs, and female sperm.

In every example, however, it was man and woman. And as I said, polygamy was only allowed because it was necessary due to a lack of manpower. And I'm focusing on society, I'm focusing on continuing the species of homo sapiens. Once the natural functions of this species are replaced, we won't be humans anymore. As I said, we'll have become some freak-of-nature species that I personally would not want to be a part of.

[New Libertarian States]

Ironically enough, us liberals are not paying much attention to gay marriage.

Really, the nice thing about being a liberal is that gay marriage takes up so little of your time. You have bigger things to worry about, like the national debt, the fact America uses torture, and the fact the American education system is an embarrassment compared to Europe.

It's only those who oppose gay marriage who spend so much time talking about it. I mean, if we just passed a law legalizing gay marriage, maybe we would get more important shit done.

Or if we just ignored it? And what wrong with torture? what are you going to do ask a religious fanatic to give up information nicely?

I just lost all faith in you.
You literally said hitler was good, and now condoning torture.
You get the lost faith in humanity award.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

For Christ sake can we have one gay marriage thread that does not turn into petty 6th grade B.S.?

You came when Pandora's Box was already open.

Sorry, welcome to the twilight zone.

[Benuty]

When you tell me that Hitler was a good guy...

There are no words to say to you. That's fucking insane to say that the mass murderer of millions was a "good guy who liked to hit the needle too much" then I lose all hope for you.

You had hope for me in the first place?

Hope is wasted on the hopeless, when they of few or many despair the gift and spit back at the gifter.

[Condunum]

I'm not being civil? I'm sorry, is my language too much for you? Awww, fucking sucks when something offends you that does no harm to you, huh?

Oh my and your sarcasm meter is fucking broken as well..

Oh, you were being sarcastic? I couldn't tell on account of the lack of /sarcasm, :S, or any sort of language that would be sarcastic.
So sorry for not noticing your OBVIOUS sarcasm.

[Agymnum]

Ironically enough, us liberals are not paying much attention to gay marriage.

Really, the nice thing about being a liberal is that gay marriage takes up so little of your time. You have bigger things to worry about, like the national debt, the fact America uses torture, and the fact the American education system is an embarrassment compared to Europe.

It's only those who oppose gay marriage who spend so much time talking about it. I mean, if we just passed a law legalizing gay marriage, maybe we would get more important shit done.

Or if we just ignored it? And what wrong with torture? what are you going to do ask a religious fanatic to give up information nicely?

People who don't really know the information you want will lie to you if pushed enough by torture. This results in misinformation and is counterproductive to what you want.

It also violates the rights of people to life and liberty, and it's never a valid punishment since it violates cruel and unusual punishment. The inherent point of torture is to be cruel.

Also, ignoring LGBT marriage is like ignoring civil rights for minorities (African Americans, Asians, Latinos, etc). Doesn't make the issue go away.

[New Libertarian States]

Marriage changes, it used to be one man many women, then it was one man owning one woman, then it became one man one woman partners. Marriage changes. Christian marriage changes. The very founding of society is not just reproduction, it is social interaction. That includes , but is not limited to reproduction. Natural functions are irrelevant, especially as one day, there may be artificial wombs, male eggs, and female sperm.

In every example, however, it was man and woman. And as I said, polygamy was only allowed because it was necessary due to a lack of manpower. And I'm focusing on society, I'm focusing on continuing the species of homo sapiens. Once the natural functions of this species are replaced, we won't be humans anymore. As I said, we'll have become some freak-of-nature species that I personally would not want to be a part of.

So a minority of homosexuals will be the downfall of humanity?
Can you accurately source this?
Most mammals have homosexuality, if you didn't know.

[Genivaria]

When you tell me that Hitler was a good guy...

There are no words to say to you. That's fucking insane to say that the mass murderer of millions was a "good guy who liked to hit the needle too much" then I lose all hope for you.

You had hope for me in the first place?

I always hope that the people I talk to embrace logic and rationality, but sometimes I am disappointed.
This is one of those times.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Or if we just ignored it? And what wrong with torture? what are you going to do ask a religious fanatic to give up information nicely?

I just lost all faith in you.
You literally said hitler was good, and now condoning torture.
You get the lost faith in humanity award.

So instead of torture lets ask captured enemys who would gladly strap a bomb to their chest nicely for information?

[Benuty]

For Christ sake can we have one gay marriage thread that does not turn into petty 6th grade B.S.?

You came when Pandora's Box was already open.

Sorry, welcome to the twilight zone.

More like the Twilight zone from Hell.

[The empire of Washington]

Fighting two wars and trying to fix the national debt is not as important as allowing gays to marry?

Ironically enough, us liberals are not paying much attention to gay marriage.

Really, the nice thing about being a liberal is that gay marriage takes up so little of your time. You have bigger things to worry about, like the national debt, the fact America uses torture, and the fact the American education system is an embarrassment compared to Europe.

It's only those who oppose gay marriage who spend so much time talking about it. I mean, if we just passed a law legalizing gay marriage, maybe we would get more important shit done.

Then we have to go through a year long Supreme Court fight over whether or not the Fed can force States that are against gay marriage to allow it. The simplest way would be to allow supporters to legalize it Step by Step then just accept it will never be in some areas.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You came when Pandora's Box was already open.

Sorry, welcome to the twilight zone.

More like the Twilight zone from Hell.

Which ring of hell are we talking about?

[New Libertarian States]

For Christ sake can we have one gay marriage thread that does not turn into petty 6th grade B.S.?

This is N.S.G.
Your lucky to see a 6th grade level argument.