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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:40 pm

New Libertarian States wrote:
Valcouria wrote:...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency (Because gays are icky no equal rights)on society."

Your statement needed fixing, so I fixed it.
Also, why is so immoral about 2 loving people marring each other?

The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:40 pm

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Condunum wrote:So what you're saying is... You do care for happiness.

If you have a drive, you care for happiness.

Not for the trivialities of it, like PDA's and what have you.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:41 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Your statement needed fixing, so I fixed it.
Also, why is so immoral about 2 loving people marring each other?

The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.

True plus there is a natural biological connection between a man and a woman.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:41 pm

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New Libertarian States wrote:So we should accept your ideology, and stick it down our throat?
Like how a lot of people have over hundreds of years to homosexuals?
Why can't they be married? Marriage isn't just for making babies, sorry to burst your bubble.

1. ...If one were to ascribe to the traditional notions of family, decency, and morality...but it seems that society could care less about these anymore.
2. ?
3. Marriage is for one man and one woman, that's why. The love in that relationship is superior to...whatever comparable emotion gays feel for each other. Plus, with one man and one woman, children can naturally follow (it's not necessarily a must, but it can happen without intravenous methods that I personally find detestable).

1)Yes, that's worked well, as we've seen women who were oppressed because that was TRADITION
2) I forget why I wrote that
3)Why, this had been literally your whole thing the whole discussion.
I see plenty of same sex parents raising their children fine.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:42 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Your statement needed fixing, so I fixed it.
Also, why is so immoral about 2 loving people marring each other?

The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.


Proof, love is love is love. Their is the possibility of children for homosexual couples, but the have to be certain they want a child and actively try and get one. (No unwanted children for homosexuals). However a couple gets a child in unimportant (as long as no one is harmed of course). Who cares if it is "natural" (whatever that means).
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:42 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Your statement needed fixing, so I fixed it.
Also, why is so immoral about 2 loving people marring each other?

The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.

WHY?! Why are they superior? You DON'T EXPlAIN. Give us a source that confirms this.
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:42 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Valcouria wrote:1. ...If one were to ascribe to the traditional notions of family, decency, and morality...but it seems that society could care less about these anymore.
2. ?
3. Marriage is for one man and one woman, that's why. The love in that relationship is superior to...whatever comparable emotion gays feel for each other. Plus, with one man and one woman, children can naturally follow (it's not necessarily a must, but it can happen without intravenous methods that I personally find detestable).


1. I do adhere to the values of decency and morality, and the moral and decent thing is to give homosexuals equal rights. There is no such thing as traditional marriage, as marriage has changed significantly throughout the ages. So...which traditional marriage do you mean? Homosexuals feel love, deal with it. The definition of marriage has changed in the past. Homosexuals can have children, either by adoption, or by sperm bank or my surrogacy. It does not matter that right now a female and male body is necessary, since the two raising the child will still be the homosexual couple.

1. Marriage should not change just because society thinks it should. And, again, they already HAVE equal rights in all other categories...and as I've said repeatedly they should not be given access to an institution that has meant the same thing for centuries.
2. Recall I said 'naturally.' All the methods you mention are unnatural...and I personally feel the child should have a right to be with their biological mother and father rather than a gay couple.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:43 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.

True plus there is a natural biological connection between a man and a woman.


Surprise surprise, there is a natural biological connection between a homosexual person and their significant other.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:43 pm

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Anachronous Rex wrote:And by "restore some semblance of moral decency," you mean, "convince a woman to marry me for my money, and pretend to love me."

I don't intend to marry at all. And women who try for money sicken me...they are nothing but well-dressed prostitutes.

The irony being that no man has ever so desperately need to get laid as you.
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:44 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:True plus there is a natural biological connection between a man and a woman.


Surprise surprise, there is a natural biological connection between a homosexual person and their significant other.

No there is nothing but lust not love.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:44 pm

New Libertarian States wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.

WHY?! Why are they superior? You DON'T EXPLAIN. Give us a source that confirms this.

My explanation is there...it is right after my claim.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:45 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The love between a man and a woman is superior to that of gay people...as I have said, there is the possibility of a child being brought into their lives in the natural fashion.


Proof, love is love is love. Their is the possibility of children for homosexual couples, but the have to be certain they want a child and actively try and get one. (No unwanted children for homosexuals). However a couple gets a child in unimportant (as long as no one is harmed of course). Who cares if it is "natural" (whatever that means).

In this sense, 'natural' is the sexual act of procreation between a man and a woman.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:45 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
1. I do adhere to the values of decency and morality, and the moral and decent thing is to give homosexuals equal rights. There is no such thing as traditional marriage, as marriage has changed significantly throughout the ages. So...which traditional marriage do you mean? Homosexuals feel love, deal with it. The definition of marriage has changed in the past. Homosexuals can have children, either by adoption, or by sperm bank or my surrogacy. It does not matter that right now a female and male body is necessary, since the two raising the child will still be the homosexual couple.

1. Marriage should not change just because society thinks it should. And, again, they already HAVE equal rights in all other categories...and as I've said repeatedly they should not be given access to an institution that has meant the same thing for centuries.
2. Recall I said 'naturally.' All the methods you mention are unnatural...and I personally feel the child should have a right to be with their biological mother and father rather than a gay couple.


Marriage is defined by society, it always has been and always will be. Thus when societies change, so will marriage. This has already happened, it has already happened to Christian marriages. They do not have equal rights because they do not have equal rights in this category. Saying they have equal rights in all other categories does not mean they have equal rights, since there is a category in which they do not have equal rights. Who cares if the method is natural, they have a child, deal with it.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:46 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Surprise surprise, there is a natural biological connection between a homosexual person and their significant other.

No there is nothing but lust not love.


proof?
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:47 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:No there is nothing but lust not love.


proof?

Proof of what that a man cannot love a man emotionally as a man could love a woman.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:47 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:WHY?! Why are they superior? You DON'T EXPLAIN. Give us a source that confirms this.

My explanation is there...it is right after my claim.

Can you back up that the love is superior?
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
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It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
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when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Costa Alegria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:47 pm

Why is it all the religious shits turn up every time some country ends centuries of bigoted oppression?

Valcouria wrote:Marriage is for one man and one woman, that's why.


Says you. I don't give two shits what some book written two thousand years ago by people halucinating in the desert says. Neither does any right-thinking government. Stop pretending that religion is a legitimate argument these days because it isn't. Society has largely moved on from fearing witches and the wrath of God.

The love in that relationship is superior to...whatever comparable emotion gays feel for each other.


That's called love too. You really must be devoid of any yourself if you think homosexuals can't feel love. I suppose that's what you feel when you're fondling little children isn't it?

Plus, with one man and one woman, children can naturally follow (it's not necessarily a must, but it can happen without intravenous methods that I personally find detestable).


News flash: some people cannot naturally conceive. Therefore they must turn to science who can assist them in having a baby. Also, it's not for the children's sake because how many children in the developed world are being brought up in broken homes? How many kids are being exploited by their parents in custody battles? Sexual orientation doesn't matter when it comes to raising a child. Homosexual couples are just as capable of being good and crappy parents as heterosexual couples, despite you and that fucktard deity you blindly worship think.

In other words, please, do us all a favour and shut the fuck up. No one wants to see your perverted bigoted bullshit on this forum anymore.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:48 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
proof?

Proof of what that a man cannot love a man emotionally as a man could love a woman.

Yes?
What, do think we're asking you to prove that banana= blue sky?
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:49 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Valcouria wrote:I don't intend to marry at all. And women who try for money sicken me...they are nothing but well-dressed prostitutes.

The irony being that no man has ever so desperately need to get laid as you.

You can think that...but I'd rather not seek an emotional connection to interfere with my plans.
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Postby Thafoo » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:49 pm

Fuck yes. Evil Gays: 1. Homophobes: 0.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:49 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
proof?

Proof of what that a man cannot love a man emotionally as a man could love a woman.


yes.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:Why is it all the religious shits turn up every time some country ends centuries of bigoted oppression?

Valcouria wrote:Marriage is for one man and one woman, that's why.


Says you. I don't give two shits what some book written two thousand years ago by people halucinating in the desert says. Neither does any right-thinking government. Stop pretending that religion is a legitimate argument these days because it isn't. Society has largely moved on from fearing witches and the wrath of God.

The love in that relationship is superior to...whatever comparable emotion gays feel for each other.


That's called love too. You really must be devoid of any yourself if you think homosexuals can't feel love. I suppose that's what you feel when you're fondling little children isn't it?

Plus, with one man and one woman, children can naturally follow (it's not necessarily a must, but it can happen without intravenous methods that I personally find detestable).


News flash: some people cannot naturally conceive. Therefore they must turn to science who can assist them in having a baby. Also, it's not for the children's sake because how many children in the developed world are being brought up in broken homes? How many kids are being exploited by their parents in custody battles? Sexual orientation doesn't matter when it comes to raising a child. Homosexual couples are just as capable of being good and crappy parents as heterosexual couples, despite you and that fucktard deity you blindly worship think.

In other words, please, do us all a favour and shut the fuck up. No one wants to see your perverted bigoted bullshit on this forum anymore.

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by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Thafoo » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:50 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
proof?

Proof of what that a man cannot love a man emotionally as a man could love a woman.

Proof for that, please.

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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:50 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:The irony being that no man has ever so desperately need to get laid as you.

You can think that...but I'd rather not seek an emotional connection to interfere with my plans.

Of denying equality?
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

Literally a Horse
Not a Libertarian, just like the name.[benevolentthomas] horse is a defender leader in multiple region- whore organizations.
23:07 Unibot If an article could have a sack of testicles - it would.

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:51 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Proof of what that a man cannot love a man emotionally as a man could love a woman.


yes.

Hell is there proof that they "can" love each other emotionally?
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