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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:10 pm

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Where are they promoting their lifestyle (whatever that means), they are simply trying to get equal rights. They are also trying to show the world that there is no reason to be ashamed of being homosexual, something that has been drilled into them by society. They are allowed to have parades, parades snarl up traffic, deal with it.

First, I'll clarify...as much as I know it will cause contention, I do believe homosexuality is, in the end, a choice; one could choose to ignore the defective nature of homosexuality, but instead they embrace it. :eyebrow:

As I've said before, they already have equal rights...their parades are merely a grab for attention. Let them be gay if they want...but they don't need to flaunt it like they do...that only irritates the sensibilities of others (come to think of it, it does sound similar to other group's agendas in parades...the KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc.).

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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:13 pm

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Valcouria wrote:1. I find all forms of PDA's to be a gross indecency of public order...everything, from holding hands (in these instances I try to aim for between them) to kissing.

Um, because what people choose to do in public is your business? How authoritarian of you.

That doesn't change the fact that you've specifically pointed out gay people as people who have to hide their sexuality at all costs.

Valcouria wrote:2. ...I've been called this before...repeatedly...and I should warn you it doesn't affect my beliefs or sensibilities.

I'm not expecting it to. I'm warning everyone who started reading the thread from this point that you're a homophobic bigot.

Valcouria wrote:3. Well, they get a special one...in the interests of "equality" there needs to be one specifically for heterosexuals.

No you don't. You have cisgender hetronormative privilege. You don't need one, every single day is a straight pride day.

1. PDA's contribute nothing to the functionality of society...and I personally find it detestable that people need to show each other affection when everyone else can see it.
2. I am rather convinced that most people would have known this from a while back. But it still doesn't change my opinions or beliefs.
3. I'm just trying to prove a point, since some people are hung up on gays getting equal treatment. If heterosexuals don't have their own pride parades, then they are being discriminated against in that regard.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:16 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Um, because what people choose to do in public is your business? How authoritarian of you.

That doesn't change the fact that you've specifically pointed out gay people as people who have to hide their sexuality at all costs.

I'm not expecting it to. I'm warning everyone who started reading the thread from this point that you're a homophobic bigot.

No you don't. You have cisgender hetronormative privilege. You don't need one, every single day is a straight pride day.

1. PDA's contribute nothing to the functionality of society...and I personally find it detestable that people need to show each other affection when everyone else can see it.

Then that's your problem, isn't it?

Valcouria wrote:2. I am rather convinced that most people would have known this from a while back. But it still doesn't change my opinions or beliefs.

I know that, but it must be stated constantly that you are one nevertheless.

Valcouria wrote:3. I'm just trying to prove a point, since some people are hung up on gays getting equal treatment. If heterosexuals don't have their own pride parades, then they are being discriminated against in that regard.

No you're not. Again, you have cisgender hetronormative privilege, you can't suddenly say discrimination when gay people start demanding that they have the right to marry who they love and the right to get the exact same federal and state legal benefits as heterosexual married couples do.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:16 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Um, because what people choose to do in public is your business? How authoritarian of you.

That doesn't change the fact that you've specifically pointed out gay people as people who have to hide their sexuality at all costs.


I'm not expecting it to. I'm warning everyone who started reading the thread from this point that you're a homophobic bigot.


No you don't. You have cisgender hetronormative privilege. You don't need one, every single day is a straight pride day.

1. PDA's contribute nothing to the functionality of society...and I personally find it detestable that people need to show each other affection when everyone else can see it.
2. I am rather convinced that most people would have known this from a while back. But it still doesn't change my opinions or beliefs.
3. I'm just trying to prove a point, since some people are hung up on gays getting equal treatment. If heterosexuals don't have their own pride parades, then they are being discriminated against in that regard.

We're not aganist the parades, but it seem like a assholish thing to do, since, you know, you have more rights.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:17 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Um, because what people choose to do in public is your business? How authoritarian of you.

That doesn't change the fact that you've specifically pointed out gay people as people who have to hide their sexuality at all costs.


I'm not expecting it to. I'm warning everyone who started reading the thread from this point that you're a homophobic bigot.


No you don't. You have cisgender hetronormative privilege. You don't need one, every single day is a straight pride day.

1. PDA's contribute nothing to the functionality of society...and I personally find it detestable that people need to show each other affection when everyone else can see it.

So your only reasoning is that it's icky.

3. I'm just trying to prove a point, since some people are hung up on gays getting equal treatment. If heterosexuals don't have their own pride parades, then they are being discriminated against in that regard.

Go ahead and have a pride parade. You'll be hard pressed to find something to be prideful about, considering that the point of pride parades is to break down the stigma against gays, and show that you can be happy with who you are. If there is somewhere that heterosexuals are discriminated against across the board, go ahead.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:18 pm

Condunum wrote:
Valcouria wrote:1. PDA's contribute nothing to the functionality of society...and I personally find it detestable that people need to show each other affection when everyone else can see it.

So your only reasoning is that it's icky.

3. I'm just trying to prove a point, since some people are hung up on gays getting equal treatment. If heterosexuals don't have their own pride parades, then they are being discriminated against in that regard.

Go ahead and have a pride parade. You'll be hard pressed to find something to be prideful about, considering that the point of pride parades is to break down the stigma against gays, and show that you can be happy with who you are. If there is somewhere that heterosexuals are discriminated against across the board, go ahead.

I think I beat you to the "that's icky" conclusion
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:19 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Valcouria wrote:1. PDA's contribute nothing to the functionality of society...and I personally find it detestable that people need to show each other affection when everyone else can see it.

Then that's your problem, isn't it?

Valcouria wrote:2. I am rather convinced that most people would have known this from a while back. But it still doesn't change my opinions or beliefs.

I know that, but it must be stated constantly that you are one nevertheless.

Valcouria wrote:3. I'm just trying to prove a point, since some people are hung up on gays getting equal treatment. If heterosexuals don't have their own pride parades, then they are being discriminated against in that regard.

No you're not. Again, you have cisgender hetronormative privilege, you can't suddenly say discrimination when gay people start demanding that they have the right to marry who they love and the right to get the exact same federal and state legal benefits as heterosexual married couples do.

1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.
2. Now why would you think it prudent to keep reminding people of it? To try to intimidate me into silence? :twisted:
3. I'm just operating off the very same principles that gays are wanting; if something isn't identical, then it is unequal.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:21 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then that's your problem, isn't it?


I know that, but it must be stated constantly that you are one nevertheless.


No you're not. Again, you have cisgender hetronormative privilege, you can't suddenly say discrimination when gay people start demanding that they have the right to marry who they love and the right to get the exact same federal and state legal benefits as heterosexual married couples do.

1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.

Because not everyone has a stick up their ass.

Seriously, what's the harm? Or maybe you're just upset that they have happiness and you don't?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:22 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then that's your problem, isn't it?


I know that, but it must be stated constantly that you are one nevertheless.


No you're not. Again, you have cisgender hetronormative privilege, you can't suddenly say discrimination when gay people start demanding that they have the right to marry who they love and the right to get the exact same federal and state legal benefits as heterosexual married couples do.

1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.
2. Now why would you think it prudent to keep reminding people of it? To try to intimidate me into silence? :twisted:
3. I'm just operating off the very same principles that gays are wanting; if something isn't identical, then it is unequal.


1. To bad, you don't get to tell consenting adults what to do in their free time that isn't directly harming someone.
2. As a warning to those who read what you write
3. That is not the principle homosexuals are operating on, that you think so is ignorant. What homosexuals what is the same rights and privileges that heterosexual people get. Since heterosexual people can already have a pride parade (again not like they need it) there is no problem.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:22 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then that's your problem, isn't it?


I know that, but it must be stated constantly that you are one nevertheless.


No you're not. Again, you have cisgender hetronormative privilege, you can't suddenly say discrimination when gay people start demanding that they have the right to marry who they love and the right to get the exact same federal and state legal benefits as heterosexual married couples do.

1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.
2. Now why would you think it prudent to keep reminding people of it? To try to intimidate me into silence? :twisted:
3. I'm just operating off the very same principles that gays are wanting; if something isn't identical, then it is unequal.

2) Because your advocating equal rights for heterosexuals, and not homosexuals?
Dosent that seem, at ALL, odd to you? You seem to be all for heterosexual rights, but because homosexuals are icky to you, lol no rights?
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:24 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Valcouria wrote:1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.

Because not everyone has a stick up their ass.

Seriously, what's the harm? Or maybe you're just upset that they have happiness and you don't?

I care not for the triviality of happiness...more often than not, I've seen, it is an impediment and distraction to one's goals.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:26 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Because not everyone has a stick up their ass.

Seriously, what's the harm? Or maybe you're just upset that they have happiness and you don't?

I care not for the triviality of happiness...more often than not, I've seen, it is an impediment and distraction to one's goals.


Good for you, other people wish to be happy (their goal), deal with it.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:27 pm

New Libertarian States wrote:
Valcouria wrote:1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.
2. Now why would you think it prudent to keep reminding people of it? To try to intimidate me into silence? :twisted:
3. I'm just operating off the very same principles that gays are wanting; if something isn't identical, then it is unequal.

2) Because your advocating equal rights for heterosexuals, and not homosexuals?
Dosent that seem, at ALL, odd to you? You seem to be all for heterosexual rights, but because homosexuals are icky to you, lol no rights?

As I have said repeatedly, I believe gays are a genetic defect that, rather than attempt to overcome it and live as they should, embrace it and shove it down the throats of everyone around them (the parades) in their attempt at garnering attention. As I also have said, they have all the rights that you and I do except marriage, and I don't feel they should be entitled to it since it not only serves no legitimate purpose, but also has belonged so long to one man and one woman.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:28 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Because not everyone has a stick up their ass.

Seriously, what's the harm? Or maybe you're just upset that they have happiness and you don't?

I care not for the triviality of happiness...more often than not, I've seen, it is an impediment and distraction to one's goals.

Translation: "I desperately need a hug."
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:31 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Valcouria wrote:I care not for the triviality of happiness...more often than not, I've seen, it is an impediment and distraction to one's goals.

Translation: "I desperately need a hug."

...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency on society."
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:32 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:2) Because your advocating equal rights for heterosexuals, and not homosexuals?
Dosent that seem, at ALL, odd to you? You seem to be all for heterosexual rights, but because homosexuals are icky to you, lol no rights?

As I have said repeatedly, I believe gays are a genetic defect that, rather than attempt to overcome it and live as they should, embrace it and shove it down the throats of everyone around them (the parades) in their attempt at garnering attention. As I also have said, they have all the rights that you and I do except marriage, and I don't feel they should be entitled to it since it not only serves no legitimate purpose, but also has belonged so long to one man and one woman.

So we should accpect your ideology, and stick it down our throat?
Like how a lot of people have over hundreds of years to homosexuals?
Why can't they be married? Marriage isn't just for making babies, sorry to burst your bubble.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:33 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:2) Because your advocating equal rights for heterosexuals, and not homosexuals?
Dosent that seem, at ALL, odd to you? You seem to be all for heterosexual rights, but because homosexuals are icky to you, lol no rights?

As I have said repeatedly, I believe gays are a genetic defect that, rather than attempt to overcome it and live as they should, embrace it and shove it down the throats of everyone around them (the parades) in their attempt at garnering attention. As I also have said, they have all the rights that you and I do except marriage, and I don't feel they should be entitled to it since it not only serves no legitimate purpose, but also has belonged so long to one man and one woman.


Proof that it is a genetic defect. Why would a god make a genetic defect like this. They are citizens of the country and deserve equal rights under the law. Don't want to deal with gay marriage, go to a church that doesn't have gay marriage. Not allowing gays to get married is harmful to gay couples, They have every right to be treated equally under the law. Since marriage is a legal institution that carries over 1000 rights, it most definitely has a legitimate purpose, especially since guess what, homosexuals have children.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:33 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Translation: "I desperately need a hug."

...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency on society."

So what you're saying is... You do care for happiness.

If you have a drive, you care for happiness.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:34 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Translation: "I desperately need a hug."

...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency (Because gays are icky no equal rights)on society."

Your statement needed fixing, so I fixed it.
Also, why is so immoral about 2 loving people marring each other?
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When the beating of our ignore cannon
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when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:35 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Translation: "I desperately need a hug."

...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency on society."

And by "restore some semblance of moral decency," you mean, "convince a woman to marry me for my money, and pretend to love me."
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:35 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then that's your problem, isn't it?

I know that, but it must be stated constantly that you are one nevertheless.

No you're not. Again, you have cisgender hetronormative privilege, you can't suddenly say discrimination when gay people start demanding that they have the right to marry who they love and the right to get the exact same federal and state legal benefits as heterosexual married couples do.

1. Indeed it is...and I don't understand why it's an acceptable thing.

Because it's none of your business. You're really just making yourself miserable.

Valcouria wrote:2. Now why would you think it prudent to keep reminding people of it? To try to intimidate me into silence? :twisted:

I don't want you to be silent. In fact, I want you to scream this out loud at the top of your lungs. It better serves my purpose of warning people ahead of time about your homophobic bigotry.

Valcouria wrote:3. I'm just operating off the very same principles that gays are wanting; if something isn't identical, then it is unequal.

No you're not. You want it to flaunt your cisgender hetronormative privilege in front of the oppressed. Gays do it to show people that being LGBT isn't shameful. There's a difference.
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:36 pm

New Libertarian States wrote:
Valcouria wrote:As I have said repeatedly, I believe gays are a genetic defect that, rather than attempt to overcome it and live as they should, embrace it and shove it down the throats of everyone around them (the parades) in their attempt at garnering attention. As I also have said, they have all the rights that you and I do except marriage, and I don't feel they should be entitled to it since it not only serves no legitimate purpose, but also has belonged so long to one man and one woman.

So we should accept your ideology, and stick it down our throat?
Like how a lot of people have over hundreds of years to homosexuals?
Why can't they be married? Marriage isn't just for making babies, sorry to burst your bubble.

1. ...If one were to ascribe to the traditional notions of family, decency, and morality...but it seems that society could care less about these anymore.
2. ?
3. Marriage is for one man and one woman, that's why. The love in that relationship is superior to...whatever comparable emotion gays feel for each other. Plus, with one man and one woman, children can naturally follow (it's not necessarily a must, but it can happen without intravenous methods that I personally find detestable).
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Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Condunum wrote:
Valcouria wrote:...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency on society."

So what you're saying is... You do care for happiness.

If you have a drive, you care for happiness.

Not for the trivialities of it, like PDA's and what have you.
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Valcouria
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Founded: Jul 06, 2012
Corporate Police State

Postby Valcouria » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:38 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Valcouria wrote:...Rather, "I desperately need to accrue power and wealth so that I may be able to restore some semblance of moral decency on society."

And by "restore some semblance of moral decency," you mean, "convince a woman to marry me for my money, and pretend to love me."

I don't intend to marry at all. And women who try for money sicken me...they are nothing but well-dressed prostitutes.
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Anti: Social Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, LGBT/Gay Marriage, Pro-Choice, Secularism, Atheism

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Neutraligon
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Founded: Oct 01, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:39 pm

Valcouria wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:So we should accept your ideology, and stick it down our throat?
Like how a lot of people have over hundreds of years to homosexuals?
Why can't they be married? Marriage isn't just for making babies, sorry to burst your bubble.

1. ...If one were to ascribe to the traditional notions of family, decency, and morality...but it seems that society could care less about these anymore.
2. ?
3. Marriage is for one man and one woman, that's why. The love in that relationship is superior to...whatever comparable emotion gays feel for each other. Plus, with one man and one woman, children can naturally follow (it's not necessarily a must, but it can happen without intravenous methods that I personally find detestable).


1. I do adhere to the values of decency and morality, and the moral and decent thing is to give homosexuals equal rights. There is no such thing as traditional marriage, as marriage has changed significantly throughout the ages. So...which traditional marriage do you mean? Homosexuals feel love, deal with it. The definition of marriage has changed in the past. Homosexuals can have children, either by adoption, or by sperm bank or my surrogacy. It does not matter that right now a female and male body is necessary, since the two raising the child will still be the homosexual couple.
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