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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:34 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Living in East LA or Detroit without a gun is not smart or safe.

I've been to Detroit a great many times unarmed; I'm not at all sure that you need a gun to live there safely.


I've also been to Detroit several times. I wouldn't be caught dead without a gun there.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:43 pm

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Freiheit Reich wrote:Living in East LA or Detroit without a gun is not smart or safe.

I've been to Detroit a great many times unarmed; I'm not at all sure that you need a gun to live there safely.

A significant difference between where movement is held and the rest of Detroit.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:48 pm

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Alien Space Bats wrote:I've been to Detroit a great many times unarmed; I'm not at all sure that you need a gun to live there safely.

A significant difference between where movement is held and the rest of Detroit.

Believe it or not, I've only been to Detroit once (other than at the airport terminal).

I was driving a tractor trailer at the time, where you're not allowed to carry firearms.

The yard was fenced, with barbed wire, they had an armed guard on the roof next door with a rifle, and they told me not to leave the yard.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:50 pm

oh look the lamestream media at it again. Now all I have to do is wait for faux news to spin zone its away around this issue.
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Postby Kavadevo » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:02 pm

Eh, I don't see an issue with letting convicted felons buy a firearm. We afford them all other rights after they've been released and are off parole, so why should the right to own a firearm be any different? If our prison system focused or rehabilitation rather than putting the bad guys in timeout, this wouldn't even be an issue.

If Louisiana doesn't want felons to own guns, they should change their constitution.
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Postby Reichsland » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:20 am

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Who's everyone? And care to elaborate on these ''dumb things'' you mentioned? Because last time I checked supporting your rights isnt dumb.

Everyone was obviously an exaggeration. The Second Amendment is honestly not very positively viewed in Europe and Canada and the NRA Leadership is just not helping their case by bitching all day about how nothing is the fault of guns.


Its really none of Europe's or Canada's business what we can and can't do inside the states.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:40 am

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The Zeonic States wrote:I don't see anything wrong with non violent Felons being able to legally purchase and own a Firearm.

My Aunt's Boyfreind is a perfect example of a former gun owner who had to sell his firearms after a conviction for a Monetary related crime.

As for two strike jim who just served a dime for possession and battery? Those folks should not be able to obtain legally a firearm.

But as they say the devil is in the details when it comes such cases.

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which is why places like Germany make it illegal for those with violent criminal records, or signs of mental instability, not something as arbitrary as felony.
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Postby Cassadaigua » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:46 am

Convicted felons can own guns anywhere. They get them on the black market. Move on.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:52 am

Cassadaigua wrote:Convicted felons can own guns anywhere. They get them on the black market. Move on.
(This is why gun control will never work).


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Postby Fireye » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:10 am

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Its really none of Europe's or Canada's business what we can and can't do inside the states.

Truer words have never been spoken.
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Postby Alyekra » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:15 am

To be fair, Felons could own guns before: just not legally.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:15 am

Nice approach by the NRA top brass.

Feel like you're losing ground -> endorse totally insane standpoints for some dumbshit reason.

Someone really needs to clean out the old and get some fresh heads in there. Figure most of them are rotten.

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Postby Skrilenia » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:16 am

About time someone shoot the NRA dead by all sense of the word.
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Postby Alyekra » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:18 am

Esternial wrote:Nice approach by the NRA top brass.

Feel like you're losing ground -> endorse totally insane standpoints for some dumbshit reason.

Someone really needs to clean out the old and get some fresh heads in there. Figure most of them are rotten.


The way I look at it is the NRA and anti-gun groups are (Kind of) like the two parties in court. If either one existed by itself we'd be in trouble. Each team exists to balance out the other.

It'll balance out soon.
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Postby Jesoni » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:22 am

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Postby Fireye » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:24 am

Alyekra wrote:
Esternial wrote:Nice approach by the NRA top brass.

Feel like you're losing ground -> endorse totally insane standpoints for some dumbshit reason.

Someone really needs to clean out the old and get some fresh heads in there. Figure most of them are rotten.


The way I look at it is the NRA and anti-gun groups are (Kind of) like the two parties in court. If either one existed by itself we'd be in trouble. Each team exists to balance out the other.

It'll balance out soon.

It's nice to see two people who haven't fully read the OP & the article debating the merits of the issue so inaccurately.
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Postby Hiersolis Most High » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:04 am

Chernoslavia wrote:What kind of ''convicted'' felons?


The convicted kind, I assume.

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Postby Esternial » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:00 am

Fireye wrote:
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The way I look at it is the NRA and anti-gun groups are (Kind of) like the two parties in court. If either one existed by itself we'd be in trouble. Each team exists to balance out the other.

It'll balance out soon.

It's nice to see two people who haven't fully read the OP & the article debating the merits of the issue so inaccurately.

My comment about the NRA leadership is applicable in most cases.

Like their shared opposition towards the UN gun treaty with Syria, Iran and North Korea. Obviously they all fight for freedom.

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:25 am

I wonder just how many people know that a convicted felon can petition his states governor for a reinstatement of his rights?

Apparently not many.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:26 am

They want to let felons own guns? :?
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:26 am

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Its really none of Europe's or Canada's business what we can and can't do inside the states.

Truer words have never been spoken.


Indeed.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:27 am

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Ainin wrote:Everyone was obviously an exaggeration. The Second Amendment is honestly not very positively viewed in Europe and Canada and the NRA Leadership is just not helping their case by bitching all day about how nothing is the fault of guns.


Its really none of Europe's or Canada's business what we can and can't do inside the states.


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Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:29 am

Kavadevo wrote:Eh, I don't see an issue with letting convicted felons buy a firearm. We afford them all other rights after they've been released and are off parole, so why should the right to own a firearm be any different? If our prison system focused or rehabilitation rather than putting the bad guys in timeout, this wouldn't even be an issue.


Actually, in America, they don't get all their rights back. http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286 In some cases, felons can be permanently disenfranchised. I don't support denying felons the right to vote, but if the felony is for assault with a firearm, I don't think they should be permitted to own guns.
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Postby Neo Art » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:30 am

Big Jim P wrote:I wonder just how many people know that a convicted felon can petition his states governor for a reinstatement of his rights?

Apparently not many.


Really? you honestly believe that most people here haven't heard of a pardon?

Or is the more likely scenario that most people don't waste energy discussing something that, while technically an option, virtually never happens?

Did you really just make this post in some vein effort to have a chance to go "I know something you don't know, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" under the bizarre notion that because most people don't feel the need to waste time by pointing out that while yes, pardons and clemency do exist, they're not worth discussing in any meaningful sense because their success rate is virtually nonexitent, this means that you hold some special secret knowledge that the dirty plebs don't?

How infantile.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:30 am

Galloism wrote:
greed and death wrote:A significant difference between where movement is held and the rest of Detroit.

Believe it or not, I've only been to Detroit once (other than at the airport terminal).

I was driving a tractor trailer at the time, where you're not allowed to carry firearms.

The yard was fenced, with barbed wire, they had an armed guard on the roof next door with a rifle, and they told me not to leave the yard.


Truckers are not allowed to carry guns? :eyebrow:
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