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Postby Utopialand » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:52 am

Letting convicted criminals have guns with them is like handing a bank robber the vault key. You're just ASKING for trouble here.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:53 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:It is against federal law for a convicted felon to possess/own firearms, regardless of state laws (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1)). This is nothing more than an excuse to attack the NRA.

If the states did not enforce their own law federal law enforcement would be unable to enforce it uniformly. Just not a federal officers.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:56 am

It doesn't strike me as the NRA is involved in this.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:58 am

Utopialand wrote:Letting convicted criminals have guns with them is like handing a bank robber the vault key. You're just ASKING for trouble here.


They can't own guns in prison. Punish them and then let them be free men. Don't give them a life sentence for their crime which might be stealing a TV or robbing a store. Treat them as 100% equal after prison (a reason I believe all criminal records should be sealed and trials should never be televised or photographed).
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:01 am

The one major flaw in the judges reasoning is you can lose rights as a result of due process of law ( trial by jury in this case).
For instance voting is a right, yet laws that forbid felons from voting have been upheld.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:02 am

greed and death wrote:The one major flaw in the judges reasoning is you can lose rights as a result of due process of law ( trial by jury in this case).
For instance voting is a right, yet laws that forbid felons from voting have been upheld.


Reading the ruling, this is why I disagree.

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Postby Hockenberg » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:07 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:It is against federal law for a convicted felon to possess/own firearms, regardless of state laws (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1)). This is nothing more than an excuse to attack the NRA.
Meh, you shouldn't need an excuse to attack them.
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Postby Fireye » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:13 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Good, after prison the ex-con should be able to have full rights (including voting rights).

The fact they have been released means they are safe to return to society.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!!!!!!


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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:18 am

Fireye wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Good, after prison the ex-con should be able to have full rights (including voting rights).

The fact they have been released means they are safe to return to society.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!!!!!!


Have you SEEN our prison system? It's not a rehabilitative system, it's a punitive system, where rehabilitation is optional and rarely sought out.

This shall create an incentive for rehabilitation.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:23 am

Fireye wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Good, after prison the ex-con should be able to have full rights (including voting rights).

The fact they have been released means they are safe to return to society.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!!!!!!


Have you SEEN our prison system? It's not a rehabilitative system, it's a punitive system, where rehabilitation is optional and rarely sought out.


True, but I believe that it is unfair to give life sentences for most crimes. Banning them from guns is a life sentence. Especially considering many live in poor and dangerous areas. Living in East LA or Detroit without a gun is not smart or safe.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:42 am

Gauthier wrote:Credit goes to Rachel Maddow for bringing this little tidbit to attention.

New Orleans judge rules statute forbidding felons from having firearms unconstitutional after 'fundamental right' amendment

This is not a thread about gun control. What it is about is just how indifferent the NRA is to reality in its dedication to pushing gun sales as high as possible. The Maddow segment on this incident was more detailed and if it ever gets posted online I'll probably edit a link to it, but it mentioned that not only Lousiana Governor Bobby Jindal claimed he had no idea that the amendment would allow felons to own guns after championing it, but a few other states have identical proposals being pushed. Still, the NRA is becoming less and less of a responsible mouthpiece for pro-gun arguments, yet it's allowed to continue being the largest and loudest.


Skimmed through the article and found only one mention of the NRA in that the amendment was "NRA-backed," while the OP seems to imply the NRA was directly responsible. Maybe I missed something but that's what it looks like to me.
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Postby Choronzon » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:46 am

They also oppose background checks. Its obvious to anyone but the NRA's brainwashed cronies that they have no interest in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

Remind me again why they should be part of the conversation about gun control?

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:49 am

Put convicted felons with guns in schools.
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:56 am

Its fine, we will just have have one good felon with guns for every bad felon with guns. Problem solved.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:00 am

Screensaver wrote:Murderers, rapists, thieves, kidnappers, and thugs owning assault weapons legally. What can possibly go wrong? *sarcasm*

Don't worry, it'll be even more interesting when the mentally ill - no matter what illness - invoke their rights as well.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:05 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Living in East LA or Detroit without a gun is not smart or safe.

I've been to Detroit a great many times unarmed; I'm not at all sure that you need a gun to live there safely.
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Postby Screensaver » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:12 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Screensaver wrote:Murderers, rapists, thieves, kidnappers, and thugs owning assault weapons legally. What can possibly go wrong? *sarcasm*


Oh im sorry, arent ''assault weapons'' banned in CA?


The OP meant LA as in Louisiana.

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Postby Screensaver » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:14 am

It is amazing how many people didn't read the OP and assume that LA here means Los Angeles. The OP explicitly states that it is Louisiana whose state initials are LA.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:18 am

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Living in East LA or Detroit without a gun is not smart or safe.

I've been to Detroit a great many times unarmed; I'm not at all sure that you need a gun to live there safely.


There are probably a few good pockets left in Detroit and I am sure downtown is heavily policed. I sure would feel better having a gun in my home if somebody broke into my home.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:21 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:I've been to Detroit a great many times unarmed; I'm not at all sure that you need a gun to live there safely.


There are probably a few good pockets left in Detroit and I am sure downtown is heavily policed. I sure would feel better having a gun in my home if somebody broke into my home.

The main problem is the hoods randomly setting homes on fire in the area.
More likely you need a oxygen tank and mask and a fire extinguisher.
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Herein begins the anarchy. Next they can own bazookas and their own private armies.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:24 am

I don't see anything wrong with non violent Felons being able to legally purchase and own a Firearm.

My Aunt's Boyfreind is a perfect example of a former gun owner who had to sell his firearms after a conviction for a Monetary related crime.

As for two strike jim who just served a dime for possession and battery? Those folks should not be able to obtain legally a firearm.

But as they say the devil is in the details when it comes such cases.
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Postby Cosara » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:28 am

The Zeonic States wrote:I don't see anything wrong with non violent Felons being able to legally purchase and own a Firearm.

My Aunt's Boyfreind is a perfect example of a former gun owner who had to sell his firearms after a conviction for a Monetary related crime.

As for two strike jim who just served a dime for possession and battery? Those folks should not be able to obtain legally a firearm.

But as they say the devil is in the details when it comes such cases.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:32 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:It doesn't strike me as the NRA is involved in this.


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