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Thanks to NRA, convicted felons CAN own guns - in LA

Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:49 pm

Credit goes to Rachel Maddow for bringing this little tidbit to attention.

New Orleans judge rules statute forbidding felons from having firearms unconstitutional after 'fundamental right' amendment

This is not a thread about gun control. What it is about is just how indifferent the NRA is to reality in its dedication to pushing gun sales as high as possible. The Maddow segment on this incident was more detailed and if it ever gets posted online I'll probably edit a link to it, but it mentioned that not only Lousiana Governor Bobby Jindal claimed he had no idea that the amendment would allow felons to own guns after championing it, but a few other states have identical proposals being pushed. Still, the NRA is becoming less and less of a responsible mouthpiece for pro-gun arguments, yet it's allowed to continue being the largest and loudest.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:59 pm

Really wish these things would post the name of the case so I can look up the reasoning of the decision.
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Postby Vareiln » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:59 pm

I'm no longer surprised by their actions. All responsible gun owners should abandon the NRA at this point.
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Postby TaQud » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:31 pm

way to go NRA. Great Job! :roll: /sarcasm
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:32 pm

What kind of ''convicted'' felons?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kanery » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:38 pm

At least they're not going down without a fight, or perhaps I should say "allowing firefights to occur."
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:41 pm

Kanery wrote:At least they're not going down without a fight, or perhaps I should say "allowing firefights to occur."


Do we even know what OP means by convicted felons? Because in LA, you can get denied a firearm just for seeing your therapist, and even though no arrest was made they'd still list that under convicted felons.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:57 pm

Case is Louisiana v. Draughter, I still can not find the case or motion even on westlaw.

Here is the bits and pieces I did find.
Draughter was convicted for attempted simple burglary. The judge seems to base his ruling on Draughter being denied due process of law because his crime was not related to violence.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:59 pm

TaQud wrote:way to go NRA. Great Job! :roll: /sarcasm

Not the NRA, the defendant was being represented by the Public defenders.
http://www.thehullabaloo.com/news/artic ... 0f31a.html
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Postby Alowwvia » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:00 pm

>Implying the NRA did this
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:02 pm

Alowwvia wrote:>Implying the NRA did this


If you bothered to read the article, you would have noticed the judge made the ruling based on an NRA-sponsored amendment in the Louisiana constitution regarding gun ownership as a basic freedom like speech.
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Postby Denecaep » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:23 pm

greed and death wrote:
TaQud wrote:way to go NRA. Great Job! :roll: /sarcasm

Not the NRA, the defendant was being represented by the Public defenders.
http://www.thehullabaloo.com/news/artic ... 0f31a.html


The amendment was still NRA sponsored.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:28 pm

This may or may not be legit, but seems relevant. Not sure if its any kind of actual legal justification from an actual lawyer, but it uses the big words and law codes so...

Nevermind, don't think it's relevant.
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Postby Screensaver » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:29 pm

Murderers, rapists, thieves, kidnappers, and thugs owning assault weapons legally. What can possibly go wrong? *sarcasm*
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:29 pm

Denecaep wrote:
greed and death wrote:Not the NRA, the defendant was being represented by the Public defenders.
http://www.thehullabaloo.com/news/artic ... 0f31a.html


The amendment was still NRA sponsored.

No a Judge did this, A trial court judge likely to be over-turned by the state supreme court did this.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:30 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kanery wrote:At least they're not going down without a fight, or perhaps I should say "allowing firefights to occur."


Do we even know what OP means by convicted felons? Because in LA, you can get denied a firearm just for seeing your therapist, and even though no arrest was made they'd still list that under convicted felons.


Do you have any idea, at all, what the term "Convicted Felon" refers to? I'll give you a very good hint: It's a very specific term that in no way applies to what you said it applies to.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:31 pm

Screensaver wrote:Murderers, rapists, thieves, kidnappers, and thugs owning assault weapons legally. What can possibly go wrong? *sarcasm*


Oh im sorry, arent ''assault weapons'' banned in CA?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:31 pm

Seangoli wrote:
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Do we even know what OP means by convicted felons? Because in LA, you can get denied a firearm just for seeing your therapist, and even though no arrest was made they'd still list that under convicted felons.


Do you have any idea, at all, what the term "Convicted Felon" refers to? I'll give you a very good hint: It's a very specific term that in no way applies to what you said it applies to.


Then explain to me what sort of convicted felons would the bill allow to own firearms?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:34 pm

This is in no way a bad idea.

Absolutely nothing bad can happen with this.

Nope. Not a one.

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Postby SaintB » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:34 pm

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Screensaver wrote:Murderers, rapists, thieves, kidnappers, and thugs owning assault weapons legally. What can possibly go wrong? *sarcasm*


Oh im sorry, arent ''assault weapons'' banned in CA?

LA = Louisiana. Read before you comment.
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Postby Undivulged Principles » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:35 pm

Just FYI, not every felony is a violent crime.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:38 pm

SaintB wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Oh im sorry, arent ''assault weapons'' banned in CA?

LA = Louisiana. Read before you comment.


Umm yeah usually when someone uses the abbreviation L.A. Los Angeles usually comes to mind.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Seangoli » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:38 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
Do you have any idea, at all, what the term "Convicted Felon" refers to? I'll give you a very good hint: It's a very specific term that in no way applies to what you said it applies to.


Then explain to me what sort of convicted felons would the bill allow to own firearms?


I'll first explain what convicted felon refers to:

A convicted felon is a person who has been convicted in court of a crime labeled as a felony. You are not a convicted felon if you go to a therapist. You are a convicted felon if you were charged, tried, and found guilty of a felony. In other words a particularly serious crime that has involved prison terms usually. Rape, murder, assault, kidnapping, etc are all felonies. It's that damn simple.

This would allow people who have been convicted of particularly serious crimes to own weapons.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:40 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
SaintB wrote:LA = Louisiana. Read before you comment.


Umm yeah usually when someone uses the abbreviation L.A. Los Angeles usually comes to mind.

There is only one LA and it is a state. Those hippies in California can suck it.
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Postby SaintB » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:40 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
SaintB wrote:LA = Louisiana. Read before you comment.


Umm yeah usually when someone uses the abbreviation L.A. Los Angeles usually comes to mind.

It's why I advised read before posting.
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