Prime Minister Thatcher -The Mod Made Thread

[Imperiatom]

The boars had to accept that the queen and the British had control of foreign policy in return for the removal of British troops and self control over internal matters. the boars did not chive their aim of Independence.

May I remind you that Canada was an independent country despite not having control of its foreign affairs until 1937.

Note how it is called an independent country from 1881-1902.

We released them from being a vassal in 1884 so they did until 1899 become fully independent again when we again invaded. Obviously i am not proud of outcomes of these wars that led to the subjugation of other people's but i am proud of the fact we were rarely beaten in battle or wars.

[Imperiatom]

The First Boer as well.

None of those were real wars because the definition of war requires that we win. According to "The Making of the British Army from the English Civil War to the War on Terror" (which Imperiatom cites), Mr Alan Mallinson says, 'sixty years after Utrecht, on the eve of the american war, which would see the first and only time the complete defeat of British arms'. If those were really wars, then we should have won them- and since we did not achieve total victory, ergo, its not a war.


And, if you feel there is a preposition missing somewhere in that quotation, it is probably because Mr Mallinson's command of English is just as fluent as Mr Imperiatom's.

Have you ever written a 735 page book on the military history of any nation and served 35 years as an officer in that army rising to the rank of brigadier whilst also holding the job of military attache?


Edit: He also has nearly 30 pages of citations, notes, and recommendations for further reading.

[The Godly Nations]

None of those were real wars because the definition of war requires that we win. According to "The Making of the British Army from the English Civil War to the War on Terror" (which Imperiatom cites), Mr Alan Mallinson says, 'sixty years after Utrecht, on the eve of the american war, which would see the first and only time the complete defeat of British arms'. If those were really wars, then we should have won them- and since we did not achieve total victory, ergo, its not a war.


And, if you feel there is a preposition missing somewhere in that quotation, it is probably because Mr Mallinson's command of English is just as fluent as Mr Imperiatom's.

Have you ever written a 735 page book on the military history of any nation and served 35 years as an officer in that army rising to the rank of brigadier whilst also holding the job of military attache?

I would hope not, if my book turned out as incompetently written and researched as Mr Mallinson's book.

And if he served the nation, good for him and God be with him, but maybe he should have done some research prior to writing his book- and maybe attend an adult literacy class.

Speaking of which, you never did quite tell which dictionary you have been using, which would account for your incompetence in English.

Or is it the fault of the schools- Oh damn that Thatcher!- thanks to the old cow cutting the funds, this poor soul can't communicate in the English language.

Edit: It was either Swift or Pope (one of the Scribblerians) who mentions a practice, some centuries ago, which they attribute to the modern authors- that is, of collecting titles of books to boast their acquaintance with them, as one would of Lords. It seems our good Brigadier had followed upon his illustrious predecessors (whom Pope immortalised as the Dunces of the Dunciad) by imitating their practices. Had he opened those books, however, maybe he would put some consideration into it before making the claim that Britain never lost a war after the American Wars.

[Imperiatom]

Have you ever written a 735 page book on the military history of any nation and served 35 years as an officer in that army rising to the rank of brigadier whilst also holding the job of military attache?

I would hope not, if my book turned out as incompetently written and researched as Mr Mallinson's book.

And if he served the nation, good for him and God be with him, but maybe he should have done some research prior to writing his book- and maybe attend an adult literacy class.

Speaking of which, you never did quite tell which dictionary you have been using, which would account for your incompetence in English.

Or is it the fault of the schools- Oh damn that Thatcher!- thanks to the old cow cutting the funds, this poor soul can't communicate in the English language.

Edit: It was either Swift or Pope (one of the Scribblerians) who mentions a practice, some centuries ago, which they attribute to the modern authors- that is, of collecting titles of books to boast their acquaintance with them, as one would of Lords. It seems our good Brigadier had followed upon his illustrious predecessors (whom Pope immortalised as the Dunces of the Dunciad) by imitating their practices. Had he opened those books, however, maybe he would put some consideration into it before making the claim that Britain never lost a war after the American Wars.

Maybe you should attend a read the book before one make's sweeping statements class?

He uses extracts and quotes from these books he mentions through the main body of his work. Be they the first hand accounts of diary extracts to out of other academic sources. "the first and only time the complete defeat of British arms" this key phrase is accurate.

I find it sad how some individual's such as yourself will dismiss the academic work of another without having read the book or any of the books or first hand sources he quotes. It's rather pathetic that you don't have any academic sources to back up your view that the Army suffered complete defeat more than once. Having read quoted and cited books he has personally studied for the writing of his own book your "EDIT" sounds like a large dose of both sour grapes and an example of your ignorance. If you have any academic books on the subject that contradict what he said then let me know! If you don't then i suggest you read a few to become better informed on the subject before you make such unintelligent sweeping statements on the work of another and all of those who he as used to put across his view.

[Alimprad]

I think we should make a holiday in honor of this brave, iron leader. She had perseverance and much more backbone then pretty much every PM that followed her.

this.

[The Godly Nations]

Maybe you should attend a read the book before one make's sweeping statements class?

He uses extracts and quotes from these books he mentions through the main body of his work. Be they the first hand accounts of diary extracts to out of other academic sources. "the first and only time the complete defeat of British arms" this key phrase is accurate.

I find it sad how some individual's such as yourself will dismiss the academic work of another without having read the book or any of the books or first hand sources he quotes. It's rather pathetic that you don't have any academic sources to back up your view that the Army suffered complete defeat more than once. Having read quoted and cited books he has personally studied for the writing of his own book your "EDIT" sounds like a large dose of both sour grapes and an example of your ignorance. If you have any academic books on the subject that contradict what he said then let me know! If you don't then i suggest you read a few to become better informed on the subject before you make such unintelligent sweeping statements on the work of another and all of those who he as used to put across his view.

Since your quotation proves his complete incompetence in English (unless you should admit to your incompetence at copying, at which point we would have to question the verity of your own quotation, seeing as it is blatantly inaccurate), there is no reason to believe that he is literate enough to go through those books he has mentioned. But, as always, you claim that my disdain for our illiterate Brigadier is simply jealousy, and all hatred is simply jealousy in disguise- from the people's hatred of Thatcher (bah! It's all just jealousy), to the people's hatred of the Tories (jealous!). This does raise the question, however, of whether your own manifest disdain towards me is not simply envy of my superior intellect and my better command of English? Since you deign to give us a single quote, but a quote written in the most wretched English, and with the most blatant and obvious factual error (Britain never lost a War since the American Wars), I see no reason why I could consider to even give it countenence.

[Battenburgia]

... Combining a largely labour/plaid cymru small populated NATION with a largely conservative, largely populated AREA of England is just ridiculous, the areas have little in common either culturally, linguistically or politically. It would make just as much sense to combine the Midlands viewpoint with that of the Belgians

If this poundshop poll cannot manage to grasp the simple fact that the three main political entities that make up Great Britain are Scotland, England and Wales, and make that their starting point before subdividing any further, I think that any conclusions should be taken with a very large pinch of salt....it's at best very lazy polling, a first year undergrad could do a better job, even with such minimal data.

Then I'm puzzled about your little conspiracy theory tbh, because that doesn't exactly shout social research understanding (quite the opposite).

(You're also overstating Plaid).

which conspiracy would that be then, that the poll is simply shit or that it has been biased ? either assertion would lead to the fact that this poll is badly conducted and that is my point..it is!

as for overstating Plaid and social research understanding. I might expect some random person in the Midlands not to know or care that the last Welsh assembly government was a Labour/Plaid Cymru coalition, and by dint of that fact they can be clearly considered to be a politically influential party, so not at all overstated... but wouldn't expect it of someone who believes themselves to be knowledgeable about sampling in political polls

[Battenburgia]

I think we should make a holiday in honor of this brave, iron leader. She had perseverance and much more backbone then pretty much every PM that followed her.

this.

yes lets call it "Ding Dong Day" where people from communities and groups that she shit on all dress up as their favourite Wizard of Oz character and converge on the Ritz for a community sing-a-long

[Britannic Realms]

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.

Never? Do you mean only to the House? I do believe there are Labour county councilors etc..

Out of 58 people on the County Council, two of them are Labour. Those two represent the town of Bridgwater (part of it) and Wellington. It is true, though, that there are never any Labour MPs from around these parts. From 1924 - 2010, my local constituency (Wells) was Tory, it was only in the last election that a Liberal Democrat was elected.

[Horsefish]

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.

Unfortunately he's right. Means I've got to vote lib-dem just to stop the tories.

[Machtergreifung]

lol so yeah, losing a war doesn't count as long as you eventually manage to win the war that comes 40 years later?

i dunno man. i think there was a little bit of violence, and we definitely lost.

Which war above did the British military lose outright?

Yeah we were diplomatically raped in the cod dispute, but a state of war never existed between us and Iceland so the military were not defeated.

Edit: If we had gone to war, What do you think would have happened?

America and the rest of Europe would have told Britain to stop fighting a power with next to no military capability.

None of those were real wars because the definition of war requires that we win. According to "The Making of the British Army from the English Civil War to the War on Terror" (which Imperiatom cites), Mr Alan Mallinson says, 'sixty years after Utrecht, on the eve of the american war, which would see the first and only time the complete defeat of British arms'. If those were really wars, then we should have won them- and since we did not achieve total victory, ergo, its not a war.


And, if you feel there is a preposition missing somewhere in that quotation, it is probably because Mr Mallinson's command of English is just as fluent as Mr Imperiatom's.

Have you ever written a 735 page book on the military history of any nation and served 35 years as an officer in that army rising to the rank of brigadier whilst also holding the job of military attache?


Edit: He also has nearly 30 pages of citations, notes, and recommendations for further reading.

I read Guderian's book myself. Doesn't make the book worth a academic damn, seeing as he seems to forget key events around sensitive issues that could affect his public image. Ditto for most of the German WW2 generals.

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Have you ever written a 735 page book on the military history of any nation and served 35 years as an officer in that army rising to the rank of brigadier whilst also holding the job of military attache?

I would hope not, if my book turned out as incompetently written and researched as Mr Mallinson's book.

And if he served the nation, good for him and God be with him, but maybe he should have done some research prior to writing his book- and maybe attend an adult literacy class.

Speaking of which, you never did quite tell which dictionary you have been using, which would account for your incompetence in English.

Or is it the fault of the schools- Oh damn that Thatcher!- thanks to the old cow cutting the funds, this poor soul can't communicate in the English language.

Edit: It was either Swift or Pope (one of the Scribblerians) who mentions a practice, some centuries ago, which they attribute to the modern authors- that is, of collecting titles of books to boast their acquaintance with them, as one would of Lords. It seems our good Brigadier had followed upon his illustrious predecessors (whom Pope immortalised as the Dunces of the Dunciad) by imitating their practices. Had he opened those books, however, maybe he would put some consideration into it before making the claim that Britain never lost a war after the American Wars.

Maybe you should attend a read the book before one make's sweeping statements class?

He uses extracts and quotes from these books he mentions through the main body of his work. Be they the first hand accounts of diary extracts to out of other academic sources. "the first and only time the complete defeat of British arms" this key phrase is accurate.

I find it sad how some individual's such as yourself will dismiss the academic work of another without having read the book or any of the books or first hand sources he quotes. It's rather pathetic that you don't have any academic sources to back up your view that the Army suffered complete defeat more than once. Having read quoted and cited books he has personally studied for the writing of his own book your "EDIT" sounds like a large dose of both sour grapes and an example of your ignorance. If you have any academic books on the subject that contradict what he said then let me know! If you don't then i suggest you read a few to become better informed on the subject before you make such unintelligent sweeping statements on the work of another and all of those who he as used to put across his view.[/quote]

I've read works that have more extracts than words actually written by the author. Again, still doesn't make them worth a damn. You can state that the moon is green, then have quotes and extracts galore - it doesn't make your statement true, nor add weight to it.

Now, I suggest you go and read this excellent book, and come back and say to us that the British Army hasn't only been defeated several times in it's history, but is being defeated now.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Losing-Small-Wa ... 321&sr=1-1

[Napkiraly]

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.

Unfortunately he's right. Means I've got to vote lib-dem just to stop the tories.

I'm so sorry.

[The Country Of Tjm1999]

Why are some showing compassion thats exactly what she wouldn't have wanted

[Espartius]

Margaret Hilda Thatcher, chemist, barrister, politician, Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven, shall always be remembered for providing me with my favorite three sentences: No. No. No.

[Souseiseki]

e: ^^^^^ Don't click that shit.

Margaret Hilda Thatcher, chemist, barrister, politician, Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven, shall always be remembered for providing me with my favorite three sentences: No. No. No.

My favourite three sentences are "Children who need to be taught to respect traditional moral values are being taught that they have an inalienable right to be gay.", "Economics are the method; the object is to change the heart and soul." and "I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing!".

Though I do need to wonder if "No. No. No." counts as three sentences.

[Espartius]

They are indeed regarded as three single-word sentences here at the site for the Margaret Thatcher Foundation, and also in her article at Wikiquote.

[Olde Engelond]

Why are some showing compassion thats exactly what she wouldn't have wanted

So practically doubling health spending counts as uncompassionate?

[Souseiseki]

Why are some showing compassion thats exactly what she wouldn't have wanted

So practically doubling health spending counts as uncompassionate?

The NHS is something for her hellspawn to take on I'm afraid. Gotta do something with our oil.

[Olde Engelond]

So practically doubling health spending counts as uncompassionate?

The NHS is something for her hellspawn to take on I'm afraid. Gotta do something with our oil.

I agree. They aren't doing enough with the NHS. Cut faster.

[Soviet Post Punk]

I agree. They aren't doing enough with the NHS. Cut faster.

No, it's already on its last legs.

Any more cutting might as well destroy it.

[Souseiseki]

The NHS is something for her hellspawn to take on I'm afraid. Gotta do something with our oil.

I agree. They aren't doing enough with the NHS. Cut faster.

Exactly what I mean!

Remember when "privatise the roads lol!!!" or "privatise the NHS lol!!!" were just jokes that no serious person believed that people used to take the piss out of right-wingers, at which point they got angry at the strawmanning?

Cut funding for government services.
Point at cut services as example of how government is shit.
Use that as an excuse to cut more.

Same old shite time and time again.

Thatcher was too smart to touch it (for whatever reason, privatising cleaning aside, a disaster for the record) but you, you...

[Soviet Post Punk]

shite

um wow please spell it right :)?

[Britannic Realms]

shite

um wow please spell it right ?

'Shite' is used to Britain, mostly, as a way to try and say something's shit without technically swearing. Like the Irish use 'feck'.

[Souseiseki]

um wow please spell it right ?

'Shite' is used to Britain, mostly, as a way to try and say something's shit without technically swearing. Like the Irish use 'feck'.

"RIP LADY THATCHER - She did the right thing. Especially in Indonesia and Vietnam."

You thought that enabling/supporting genocide and protecting the Khmer Rouge was just SO GOOD that you just HAD to let the ENTIRE forums know with every single post you make.

I am... not sure what to say about that.

[Soviet Post Punk]

'Shite' is used to Britain, mostly, as a way to try and say something's shit without technically swearing. Like the Irish use 'feck'.

it was a joke in reference to a prior thatcher arse kissery post