Prime Minister Thatcher -The Mod Made Thread

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Sources. Where are your sources?

Is there a point? It appears you will ignore them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... esia.world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/fe ... .politics1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4dHRN2Dug

The more reasonable elements in the Khmer Rouge. Can't let Vietnam take down Pol Pot, that'd be just terrible.

To be fair, Vietnam wasn't exactly the land of milk and honey back then either...

[Britannic Realms]

The only thing Thatchers legacy has any value as is as an example of how to fuck a country over. We are still living her 'legacy' outside of London...with poverty, no pride in our communities as they have been decimated, low wages, no industries that are British...no...frankly her legacy is one of abandonment, hatred and "I'm all right jack". Fuck that shit.

You do you realise that the North and 'outside of London' aren't the same places, don't you? Because down here in Somerset we've been having a jolly good time with our cider and other British industries. We also have jobs around here where the pay is above minimum wage, surely a rarity outside of London. We also have plenty of place that aren't poverty-ridden; I live on the edge of a council estate (in a privately-owned house), and everybody seems perfectly nice, apart from my neighbours. I have enough money to eat and drink and bathe and shop and holiday and other such things, that amount of money is a sight seen rarely outside of the confines of London, I'm sure. I'll also have you know that we have plenty of community pride, we have local newspapers, and nice schools where people aren't stabbed, and Clarks Village of course. And all of this rare affluence set in the glorious countryside with Burnham, Weston, Minehead, Weymouth, Poole and other such places not very far away. Oh, I do like living outside of London in Thatcherite Britain.

[Souseiseki]

Is there a point? It appears you will ignore them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... esia.world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/fe ... .politics1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4dHRN2Dug

The more reasonable elements in the Khmer Rouge. Can't let Vietnam take down Pol Pot, that'd be just terrible.

To be fair, Vietnam wasn't exactly the land of milk and honey back then either...

I'm fairly sure Vietnam was better than Pol Pot.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

The only thing Thatchers legacy has any value as is as an example of how to fuck a country over. We are still living her 'legacy' outside of London...with poverty, no pride in our communities as they have been decimated, low wages, no industries that are British...no...frankly her legacy is one of abandonment, hatred and "I'm all right jack". Fuck that shit.

You do you realise that the North and 'outside of London' aren't the same places, don't you? Because down here in Somerset we've been having a jolly good time with our cider and other British industries. We also have jobs around here where the pay is above minimum wage, surely a rarity outside of London. We also have plenty of place that aren't poverty-ridden; I live on the edge of a council estate (in a privately-owned house), and everybody seems perfectly nice, apart from my neighbours. I have enough money to eat and drink and bathe and shop and holiday and other such things, that amount of money is a sight seen rarely outside of the confines of London, I'm sure. I'll also have you know that we have plenty of community pride, we have local newspapers, and nice schools where people aren't stabbed, and Clarks Village of course. And all of this rare affluence set in the glorious countryside with Burnham, Weston, Minehead, Weymouth, Poole and other such places not very far away. Oh, I do like living outside of London in Thatcherite Britain.

You obviously haven't a clue what you've written have you?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

To be fair, Vietnam wasn't exactly the land of milk and honey back then either...

I'm fairly sure Vietnam was better than Pol Pot.

Yes, the land where they impale people with bamboo plants must be paradise.

[Britannic Realms]

You do you realise that the North and 'outside of London' aren't the same places, don't you? Because down here in Somerset we've been having a jolly good time with our cider and other British industries. We also have jobs around here where the pay is above minimum wage, surely a rarity outside of London. We also have plenty of place that aren't poverty-ridden; I live on the edge of a council estate (in a privately-owned house), and everybody seems perfectly nice, apart from my neighbours. I have enough money to eat and drink and bathe and shop and holiday and other such things, that amount of money is a sight seen rarely outside of the confines of London, I'm sure. I'll also have you know that we have plenty of community pride, we have local newspapers, and nice schools where people aren't stabbed, and Clarks Village of course. And all of this rare affluence set in the glorious countryside with Burnham, Weston, Minehead, Weymouth, Poole and other such places not very far away. Oh, I do like living outside of London in Thatcherite Britain.

You obviously haven't a clue what you've written have you?

I know exactly what I wrote. Let me condense it a little: not everywhere outside of London is as desolate as you make it out to be.

[Soviet Post Punk]

If that does not make an organisation an exponent of terrorism

I didn't say that.

2) You were not in possession of all the facts at the time.

ding ding

[Souseiseki]

I'm fairly sure Vietnam was better than Pol Pot.

Yes, the land where they impale people with bamboo plants must be paradise.

Alright. Vietnam in 1970-1980 or the Killing Fields with Pol Pot. Where would you prefer to be?

What about the rest? Was East Timor such a terrible place that supporting fucking genocide isn't that bad, because hey, bamboo or some shit? Was a democratically elected government in Chile and journalists/anyone that don't agree with us just too dangerous?

[Machtergreifung]

The only thing Thatchers legacy has any value as is as an example of how to fuck a country over. We are still living her 'legacy' outside of London...with poverty, no pride in our communities as they have been decimated, low wages, no industries that are British...no...frankly her legacy is one of abandonment, hatred and "I'm all right jack". Fuck that shit.

You do you realise that the North and 'outside of London' aren't the same places, don't you? Because down here in Somerset we've been having a jolly good time with our cider and other British industries. We also have jobs around here where the pay is above minimum wage, surely a rarity outside of London. We also have plenty of place that aren't poverty-ridden; I live on the edge of a council estate (in a privately-owned house), and everybody seems perfectly nice, apart from my neighbours. I have enough money to eat and drink and bathe and shop and holiday and other such things, that amount of money is a sight seen rarely outside of the confines of London, I'm sure. I'll also have you know that we have plenty of community pride, we have local newspapers, and nice schools where people aren't stabbed, and Clarks Village of course. And all of this rare affluence set in the glorious countryside with Burnham, Weston, Minehead, Weymouth, Poole and other such places not very far away. Oh, I do like living outside of London in Thatcherite Britain.

Glad you enjoyed it. The extensive communites around where I live in Glasgow were kicked to death first by the pit closures, then the shipyards and at last the steel.

Feel free to pull out the "those industries were dying" arguement, but the fact remains that ships were being built on the Clyde right up until the end.

[Souseiseki]

You obviously haven't a clue what you've written have you?

I know exactly what I wrote. Let me condense it a little: not everywhere outside of London is as desolate as you make it out to be.

Everywhere has little pockets of Tories living on the edge in private houses, even here!

[Britannic Realms]

I know exactly what I wrote. Let me condense it a little: not everywhere outside of London is as desolate as you make it out to be.

Everywhere has little pockets of Tories living on the edge in private houses, even here!

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.

Glad you enjoyed it. The extensive communites around where I live in Glasgow were kicked to death first by the pit closures, then the shipyards and at last the steel.

Feel free to pull out the "those industries were dying" arguement, but the fact remains that ships were being built on the Clyde right up until the end.

Now, I agree with you that they shouldn't have stopped the shipbuilding, but I feel compelled to remind everyone in this thread, once again, that there are areas to the west of London, not just the north.

[Forsakia]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7952388.stm

Read this, there was a higher % of pit closures before or after her. Those people who believe she is the cause have no grasp of reality.

So the miners strike was a utterly unrelated event that had nothing to do with pit closures?

The miners had gone on strike in the 1970s, and other trade unions had also gone on strike both in the 1970s and the early years of Thatcher's premiership (and even when there weren't strikes there had been threats of them where the government hadn't been in the position to face them down).

The reason it is "THE" Miners' Strike is because of the decision to take it on followed by the government's ultimate defeat of the strike signalling a change in eras of industrial relations rather than a particularly special cause of it.

[Souseiseki]

Everywhere has little pockets of Tories living on the edge in private houses, even here!

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.

Glad you enjoyed it. The extensive communites around where I live in Glasgow were kicked to death first by the pit closures, then the shipyards and at last the steel.

Feel free to pull out the "those industries were dying" arguement, but the fact remains that ships were being built on the Clyde right up until the end.

Now, I agree with you that they shouldn't have stopped the shipbuilding, but I feel compelled to remind everyone in this thread, once again, that there are areas to the west of London, not just the north.

Sometimes the pockets are very very very large.

Yes. I have never been to Somerset.I'll assume you've never been a place like Glasgow in turn. But ssssssssssssssh it's a secret.

[Imperiatom]

Is there a point? It appears you will ignore them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/304516.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... esia.world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/fe ... .politics1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4dHRN2Dug

The more reasonable elements in the Khmer Rouge. Can't let Vietnam take down Pol Pot, that'd be just terrible.

To be fair, Vietnam wasn't exactly the land of milk and honey back then either...

Exactly its like saying who do you prefer, Stalin or Mao?

Can't let Stalin take down Mao that would be awful.

[Souseiseki]

To be fair, Vietnam wasn't exactly the land of milk and honey back then either...

Exactly its like saying who do you prefer, Stalin or Mao?

Can't let Stalin take down Mao that would be awful.

The difference is that in this situation one country is clearly better than the other and Vietnam deposing Pol Pot was clearly an improvement for the people living there.

What do you mean ? Are you saying that helping the Khmer Rouge was a good thing because Vietnam has problems... but was still clearly better than fucking Pol Pot?

[Imperiatom]

You do you realise that the North and 'outside of London' aren't the same places, don't you? Because down here in Somerset we've been having a jolly good time with our cider and other British industries. We also have jobs around here where the pay is above minimum wage, surely a rarity outside of London. We also have plenty of place that aren't poverty-ridden; I live on the edge of a council estate (in a privately-owned house), and everybody seems perfectly nice, apart from my neighbours. I have enough money to eat and drink and bathe and shop and holiday and other such things, that amount of money is a sight seen rarely outside of the confines of London, I'm sure. I'll also have you know that we have plenty of community pride, we have local newspapers, and nice schools where people aren't stabbed, and Clarks Village of course. And all of this rare affluence set in the glorious countryside with Burnham, Weston, Minehead, Weymouth, Poole and other such places not very far away. Oh, I do like living outside of London in Thatcherite Britain.

Glad you enjoyed it. The extensive communites around where I live in Glasgow were kicked to death first by the pit closures, then the shipyards and at last the steel.

Feel free to pull out the "those industries were dying" arguement, but the fact remains that ships were being built on the Clyde right up until the end.

Not enough demand to stop them dying though.

[Imperiatom]

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.




Now, I agree with you that they shouldn't have stopped the shipbuilding, but I feel compelled to remind everyone in this thread, once again, that there are areas to the west of London, not just the north.

Sometimes the pockets are very very very large.

Yes. I have never been to Somerset.I'll assume you've never been a place like Glasgow in turn. But ssssssssssssssh it's a secret.

Where i live (and its not london) The tory pocket is so large that there is very little outside of it. I have been to Glasgow, passing through on the way to the highlands. I'm not a fan.

[Souseiseki]

Where i live (and its not london) The tory pocket is so large that there is very little outside of it.

Oh come on, don't leave us hanging.

[Imperiatom]

Exactly its like saying who do you prefer, Stalin or Mao?

Can't let Stalin take down Mao that would be awful.

The difference is that in this situation one country is clearly better than the other and Vietnam deposing Pol Pot was clearly an improvement for the people living there.

What do you mean ? Are you saying that helping the Khmer Rouge was a good thing because Vietnam has problems... but was still clearly better than fucking Pol Pot?

Its a situation of the west, choosing the best of a bad bunch. That is the realities of being in government, somethings idealists from the left can't fathom as they are very rarely in power in modern Britain.

[Imperiatom]

Where i live (and its not london) The tory pocket is so large that there is very little outside of it.

Oh come on, don't leave us hanging.

Are you a socialist?

[Souseiseki]

The difference is that in this situation one country is clearly better than the other and Vietnam deposing Pol Pot was clearly an improvement for the people living there.

What do you mean ? Are you saying that helping the Khmer Rouge was a good thing because Vietnam has problems... but was still clearly better than fucking Pol Pot?

Its a situation of the west, choosing the best of a bad bunch. That is the realities of being in government, somethings idealists from the left can't fathom as they are very rarely in power in modern Britain.

Yes. And the best in this case is not Pol Pot. But they helped the Khmer Rouge for some reason.

I mean, I don't think it's over ok to knowingly arm genocidal dictators. Though maybe that's just me being an idealistic lefty, heh.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

I'll have you know that Labour are never elected in this county. Around here, it's a two-horse race between the Lib Dems and the Tories. And there are plenty of private houses around here, you have obviously never been to Somerset.

Never? Do you mean only to the House? I do believe there are Labour county councilors etc..

[Souseiseki]

Oh come on, don't leave us hanging.

Are you a socialist?

I asked first. :-)

I won't lie I'm pretty left!!!

[Arlenton]

She was sort of like a UK female Reagan.

[Napkiraly]

The difference is that in this situation one country is clearly better than the other and Vietnam deposing Pol Pot was clearly an improvement for the people living there.

What do you mean ? Are you saying that helping the Khmer Rouge was a good thing because Vietnam has problems... but was still clearly better than fucking Pol Pot?

Its a situation of the west, choosing the best of a bad bunch. That is the realities of being in government, somethings idealists from the left can't fathom as they are very rarely in power in modern Britain.

Yes, sometimes you are left choosing between two evils. The West chose the greater rather than the lesser.