Would you date a trans person?

[Ora Amaris]

That is a fantastic explanation.
That's probably why transwomen face more stigma than transmen as well.

Here we go with this again....

There a social problem? PATRIARCHY TEH EBUL MEN!!!

I think its a good explanation in this case.

[Gandoor]

Yes I would.

but i am trans so i'm probably one of the worst people to ask about this

[The Emerald Dawn]

That is a fantastic explanation.
That's probably why transwomen face more stigma than transmen as well.

Here we go with this again....

There a social problem? PATRIARCHY TEH EBUL MEN!!!

No. Just...no.

I'm not a freaking feminist and I made this exact same argument using different terms. You look through the history of mankind and being considered "male" is better, by far, than being considered female.

[Distruzio]

Yes. I already have a boyfriend, however, and so it's not very relevant.



The title didn't say "trans man", it said "trans person".

If you date a trans man it might be more complicated, but you'll still have to be a bit gay.

No. You don't. I'm not gay in the slightest. Masculinity is unattractive to me. Femininity, however, is.

[Anachronous Rex]

Yes I would.

but i am trans so i'm probably one of the worst people to ask about this

I suppose it's... possible... someone could be a bigoted trans person.

Regardless, you sell yourself short. Your expertise in the area makes your views more meaningful not less.

[Nailed to the Perch]

That is a fantastic explanation.
That's probably why transwomen face more stigma than transmen as well.

Here we go with this again....

There a social problem? PATRIARCHY TEH EBUL MEN!!!

If you think patriarchy is in any way synonymous with "teh ebul men," I can see why you're confused by it.

Namely, because you apparently don't read, given that the very post you're responding to actually simply and explicitly defines patriarchy in a way that has nothing to do with anyone being "ebul."

this is one of those cases where the hierarchical structure of gender in our society is one hell of a clear explanation.

[Geptal]

do what thou wilt that shall be the whole of the law

[Anachronous Rex]

Here we go with this again....

There a social problem? PATRIARCHY TEH EBUL MEN!!!

No. Just...no.

I'm not a freaking feminist and I made this exact same argument using different terms. You look through the history of mankind and being considered "male" is better, by far, than being considered female.

I blame agriculture.

Everything was going fine until those damn, dirty crops.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Yes I would.

but i am trans so i'm probably one of the worst people to ask about this

I suppose it's... possible... someone could be a bigoted trans person.

Regardless, you sell yourself short. Your expertise in the area makes your views more meaningful not less.

The concept of self-loathing your own identity is not unheard of at all.

Sexism alone means there's people out there who hate themselves for being trans.

[Ibwa]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

[Progressive-Conservative Republics]

I love transsexuals <3

They appreciate everything of their chosen gender their initially opposite sex takes for granted.

[Anachronous Rex]

If you date a trans man it might be more complicated, but you'll still have to be a bit gay.

No. You don't. I'm not gay in the slightest. Masculinity is unattractive to me. Femininity, however, is.

I think, what he means to say is, you have to be secure in your sexuality, and not be frightened of being perceived as gay.

[Fine Fellows]

A conservative anarchist? That's a new one to me. Similar to (modern US) Libertarianism?

Being anarchist doesn't mean he doesn't have a personal opinion you know.

I know, yes. Why do you respond to this if you're being nonsensical anyway?

A conservative anarchist? That's a new one to me. Similar to (modern US) Libertarianism?

More like classical US liberalism or modern European arch-liberalism.

Something similar to this bloke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_von_Kuehnelt-Leddihn ? Got there by googling the-previously-unknown-to-me term 'arch-liberalism'. Like a stake in society-sort of guy?

[New Naephak]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

The difference is that trans people are human and, more importantly, people.

[The Emerald Dawn]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

Non-sequitir, slippery slope, and for my third I chose ad hominem.

[Anachronous Rex]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

Yes. I would date an animal.

Because frankly, the idea of going out with something that isn't a Eukaryote that ingests and digests living material frightens me. Call me bigoted.

[Ibwa]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

The difference is that trans people are human and, more importantly, people.

So your saying because animals cant speak up for themselves they are just tools for our use and enjoyment, and cant have love too?

[Zweite Alaje]

Here we go with this again....

There a social problem? PATRIARCHY TEH EBUL MEN!!!

If you think patriarchy is in any way synonymous with "teh ebul men," I can see why you're confused by it.

Namely, because you apparently don't read, given that the very post you're responding to actually simply and explicitly defines patriarchy in a way that has nothing to do with anyone being "ebul."

this is one of those cases where the hierarchical structure of gender in our society is one hell of a clear explanation.

Ok, sry.

[Anachronous Rex]

The difference is that trans people are human and, more importantly, people.

So your saying because animals cant speak up for themselves they are just tools for our use and enjoyment, and cant have love too?

They can't legally consent. People can.

[Dousmilia]

The difference is that trans people are human and, more importantly, people.

So your saying because animals cant speak up for themselves they are just tools for our use and enjoyment, and cant have love too?

No, they're saying they aren't people.

[Liriena]

The difference is that trans people are human and, more importantly, people.

So your saying because animals cant speak up for themselves they are just tools for our use and enjoyment, and cant have love too?

Dude, if you want to shag your dog, go ahead. It's just not my cup of tea.

[Immoren]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

[Zohai]

No. You don't. I'm not gay in the slightest. Masculinity is unattractive to me. Femininity, however, is.

I think, what he means to say is, you have to be secure in your sexuality, and not be frightened of being perceived as gay.

I don't think people who'd date transsexuals are being honest with themselves if they proclaim to be straight. Maybe they're not secure in their sexuality.

[Ibwa]

So your saying because animals cant speak up for themselves they are just tools for our use and enjoyment, and cant have love too?

Dude, if you want to shag your dog, go ahead. It's just not my cup of tea.

again im not bi-species, but some people may be, so why is it illegal? who gives us the right to determine whether or not love is confined between people?

[Liriena]

What if I asked you this, would you date an animal? for most its illegal, yet we allow trans people to date? whats the difference! as far as im concerned it dosent matter what i think, people should be allowed to have relations with whoever (whatever) with out ridicule, no matter who is against it.

note: I'm not bi-species

Awesome...now, allow me to go see my local genetic engineer...there's a few species of furries that need to be created.