Would you date a trans person?

[Ora Amaris]

So, anyway, let's try to put this thread back on course. I think we've beaten the whole pronoun thing to death.

Why do you guys think women are generally more accepting of trans men than guys are of trans women?

Society. Women are expected to be "deviant".

They are? =/

[Choronzon]

So, anyway, let's try to put this thread back on course. I think we've beaten the whole pronoun thing to death.

Why do you guys think women are generally more accepting of trans men than guys are of trans women?

Society. Women are expected to be "deviant".

I read somewhere once that female sexuality tends to be more fluid than male sexuality. I could see that playing a role in man having a harder time getting their head wrapped around the whole thing.

But I am not an expert on these things.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Perhaps you see my point.

I'm still working on trying to see why I would use "they" if the person in question was standing right there.

Webforums are actually one really obvious setting where this might come up. It's pretty common, in a discussion like this, to refer back to things other people posted with the full expectation that they will at some point see what you're writing. For example, I might say, "I think Iffy's argument makes a lot of sense - he's a smart guy, even if he never wears pants."

[Immoren]

Also has any one thought what Chuck Norris thinks?

No-one cares what Mr.Norris thinks.

The unscientific poll at the top.

You know I didn't even see the poll.

You should go to the eye doctor.

[Distruzio]

So, anyway, let's try to put this thread back on course. I think we've beaten the whole pronoun thing to death.

Why do you guys think women are generally more accepting of trans men than guys are of trans women?

Smaller brains, of course.

/sarcasm

Maybe women are used to looking at unattractive guys so when a F2M comes around, it's a relatively pleasant surprise? Men aren't used to seeing unattractive women so when an attractive woman turns out to have once also been an attractive man who was, for whatever reason, waiting to become an attractive woman, our minds are blown.

/more sarcasm.

Honestly though, I've no idea. It's lamentable, though.

[Anachronous Rex]

English should do away with gendered pronouns, buut I don't think that's going to happen.

No, it shouldn't. Indo-European langs have gender classes, it should stay that way unless phonetic mutation or some other natural linguistic process changes it.

A society deciding to change a language is a natural linguistic process.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Society. Women are expected to be "deviant".

Yet same time be Nice and Obedient Housewives. *nods*
Or am I channelling 50ties now?

We can go further back than the 50s. Most societies are patriarchal, with the "strong, provider" being masculine.

Women were expected to match the furniture, anything that even remotely smacked of sexuality was beaten out of them. It'd make sense that they would feel less of a "natural" revulsion to something "unnatural", considering they themselves are, historically "unnatural".

[Choronzon]

You know I didn't even see the poll.

You should go to the eye doctor.

Ooooh, so we're going to be a colossal prick over one disagreement hmm?

[Anachronous Rex]

Society. Women are expected to be "deviant".

They are? =/

Well they certainly are if they intend to be with me.

[Meryuma]

Yes. I already have a boyfriend, however, and so it's not very relevant.

Nope, because i'm not gay or bisexual.

The title didn't say "trans man", it said "trans person".

Being gay or bisexual has nothing to do with it.

I do think you have to be a bit gay if you'd consider it.

I am pretty hetero myself...

Sounds like you're at least tiny little bit gay.

They are women in their gender identification, so they are women.

Sure they self-identify as women, but that doesn't make them 100% female. Maybe 50% or 70%. You'd always know that you're not with a real one imo. Doesn't mean i'm against trans persons, but it's not my cup of tea as a straight guy.

If you date a woman who has a hysterectomy does that make you gay?

You could go as far as saying I am a bit bicurious, but that's about it since I do not like masculine-looking men.

Not all gays like masculine-looking men so that doesn't really mean much.

I'm mostly gay and I can't stand macho guys.

Why don't you say anyone instead of 'anything' that has a penis? Trans people are people too.

Yes, but are they grammatic masculinum or feminimum? I think I'll rank them along "the baby" until the ideological linguistics are over. Besides: the transperson is a grammatic neutrum too, isn't it?

This poster had previous problems with this. He considered Transgenders to be its.

See above. I am not getting again into this ideological minefield of a linguistic chaos. "Person" is grammatic neutrum in english too if I remember correctly after all.

English doesn't have grammatical gender. Stop trying to make yourself look smart.

I would, provided they were able to survive my carefully crafted barrage of pre-dating questions and sign a stringent pre-dating agreement.

srs

Who would agree to that?

English should do away with gendered pronouns, buut I don't think that's going to happen.

No, it shouldn't. Indo-European langs have gender classes, it should stay that way unless phonetic mutation or some other natural linguistic process changes it.

Reverse linguistic prescriptivism? Huh.

[Distruzio]

That's well and good. I wonder, however, would you take issue with a non-Trans girl who couldn't have children? Would you refuse to date her? Would she, then, become an "it?"

actually i would date her, im just against "it's" in general.

Then I think you would do well to reevaluate your reasoning for dismissing the trans community as non-human on the basis of not being genetically capable of have children with you. There are other reasons to dismiss them. Bare in mind that none are logical, but they are out there.

[Immoren]

You should go to the eye doctor.

Ooooh, so we're going to be a colossal prick over one disagreement hmm?

I am making Polite and Friedly suggestion. ;_;
*sniff*Jerk.*sniff*

[Esternial]

You should go to the eye doctor.

Ooooh, so we're going to be a colossal prick over one disagreement hmm?

Colossal might not be the right word.

Gargantuan sounds about right.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm still working on trying to see why I would use "they" if the person in question was standing right there.

Webforums are actually one really obvious setting where this might come up. It's pretty common, in a discussion like this, to refer back to things other people posted with the full expectation that they will at some point see what you're writing. For example, I might say, "I think Iffy's argument makes a lot of sense - he's a smart guy, even if he never wears pants."

Ok, in a written context I can understand that point. (Even though you didn't use they. )

Spoken and written language are, obviously, different kettles of chips.

[Zweite Alaje]

No, it shouldn't. Indo-European langs have gender classes, it should stay that way unless phonetic mutation or some other natural linguistic process changes it.

A society deciding to change a language is a natural linguistic process.

No, it isn't.

That's about as natural as genetic manipulation and cloning.

[Choronzon]

Ooooh, so we're going to be a colossal prick over one disagreement hmm?

I am making Polite and Friedly suggestion. ;_;
*sniff*Jerk.*sniff*

Because not noticing the poll means I can't see amirite

[Ora Amaris]

I read somewhere once that female sexuality tends to be more fluid than male sexuality. I could see that playing a role in man having a harder time getting their head wrapped around the whole thing.

I think some guys are paralyzed by the idea of being seen as gay.
Good to see that people here are more accepting, though.

[Immoren]

A society deciding to change a language is a natural linguistic process.

No, it isn't.

That's about as natural as genetic manipulation and cloning.

What?

I am making Polite and Friedly suggestion. ;_;
*sniff*Jerk.*sniff*

Because not noticing the poll means I can't see amirite

Jest

[Anachronous Rex]

A society deciding to change a language is a natural linguistic process.

No, it isn't.

That's about as natural as genetic manipulation and cloning.

Well, I guess we have to throw out all those words we got from Shakespeare then...

It's a shame, I really liked some of them.

[The Emerald Dawn]

No, it isn't.

That's about as natural as genetic manipulation and cloning.

Well, I guess we have to throw out all those words we got from Shakespeare then...

It's a shame, I really liked some of them.

Shakespeare used words that were "made up".

[Fine Fellows]

more importantly, would they date me?

So yes, this dude prolly would.

[Zweite Alaje]

No, it shouldn't. Indo-European langs have gender classes, it should stay that way unless phonetic mutation or some other natural linguistic process changes it.

Reverse linguistic prescriptivism? Huh.

You could see it like that, I'm against attempts force a language into a certain form. I hate organizations like the French Academy.

Beyond an agreed spelling convention, I don't see a reason for it.

[Anachronous Rex]

Well, I guess we have to throw out all those words we got from Shakespeare then...

It's a shame, I really liked some of them.

Shakespeare used words that were "made up".

Yes... that is what I was saying.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Shakespeare used words that were "made up".

Yes... that is what I was saying.

*smacks sarcometer*

Sorry, batteries must have died.

[Shallowell]

I don't think I'd be able to get over the fact that "she" was once "a guy;" it would just wierd me out too much. So no. I don't actually personally know any trans people (at least, that I know of), so maybe if I did, my opinion would change, but for now, too nasty.