Margaret Thatcher is Dead

[Great Nepal]

The interests of the majority come before a minority. The medicine was bitter but the country needed it.

The country also needed Thatcher to invest in those areas she was destroying. She didn't. That is why there is so much hatred towards her.

Country's economy certainly didn't need it as shown by 130% increased GDP per capita, which is higher than French and same level as Germans.

[Forsakia]

Are you defining sane vs insane as "agree with me"?

No.

Over 62 million people voted for him in 04, are they all insane?

No.

A British general election is not the same as a US presidential one (Are you American?)

No.

Re-election is not easy, re-election twice certainly isn't, one term PMs are fairly common. Thatcher was one of the longest serving PMs of the 20th century.

Re-election under a parliamentary system is incredibly easy.

I'm turning up polling about historical rankings rather than like/dislike currently (which has her highly rated). Which is really more than you've done.

Historical rankings mean nothing because they're all relative. For all we know, the top rank could only be popular with 20% of people (unlikely, but it's a possibility).

Further polling

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubli ... ister.aspx

[Glasgia]

She made life worse for many, many more. She created a class divide so massive it still hasn't healed today, and it's leaving us far behind other European countries.

Uhh no. Let me repeat: If she hadn't done what she did, Britain would be an industrial shithole hit by every munor crisis.
This bitch made Britain competitive and much richer. Accept it, your story isn't representative.

But the story of the majority of the UK is.

[Calimera II]

Uhh no. Let me repeat: If she hadn't done what she did, Britain would be an industrial shithole hit by every munor crisis.
This bitch made Britain competitive and much richer. Accept it, your story isn't representative.

But the story of the majority of the UK is.

Source?

[Divair]

No.


No.


No.


Re-election under a parliamentary system is incredibly easy.


Historical rankings mean nothing because they're all relative. For all we know, the top rank could only be popular with 20% of people (unlikely, but it's a possibility).

Further polling

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubli ... ister.aspx

So when compared to other shit PM's, 36% called her capable. How "liked".

[Paradystopia]

The interests of the majority come before a minority. The medicine was bitter but the country needed it.

This, pretty much.

It's unfortunate, but you got to understand that there was no other choice. Funding these inefficient government-owned industrial companies simply wasn't worth it anymore. Thatcher did her best to do the privatization as quickly and painlessly as possible.

So who was the majority? I think the working classes are a pretty large demographic ...

[Hippostania]

Did you even read my message?

It proves that Finns are good at memorizing certain things. They don't understand it nor do they excel at it. Everyone are just plain average.

they do excel at it, LOOK AT THE TABLE

Yes, they excel at memorizing certain things that are asked at PISA tests without understanding them.

[Free Tristania]

Sky News reporting that the former Prime Minister of Britain has died after a stroke.

Whatever I think about her Premiership, my condolences go out to her family.

Considering her family and her Premiership, my condolences fail to exist.

On the one hand.. I think it would be rude not to have any sympathies with her family.. on the other hand I despise her and everything she stood for. So I am torn between expressing my condolences and saying "good riddance !".

[Yaltabaoth]

Oh look at the second comment on this earlier link...



For those who can't be assed clicking, it's


I apologise for not checking every comment on every link in this thread.

As I said though, point still stands.

Sorry, looked like plagiarism. I'll accept coincidence, nevm.

[Fulflood]

I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.

It's unfortunate, but you got to understand that there was no other choice. Funding these inefficient government-owned industrial companies simply wasn't worth it anymore. Thatcher did her best to do the privatization as quickly and painlessly as possible.

Let's assume that the job of a government is to make its citizens happy and fulfilled as opposed to making some GDP numbers go up. In this case, your point fails to stand.

[Hippostania]

I don't understand this.

Everyone here keep complaining about the fact that Lady Thatcher stopped funding inefficient government companies. I'm especially referring to the coal industry in Northern England, which was already suffering and on the brink of collapse as it simply wasn't profitable anymore. What else could have been done? Should shoveling taxpayers' money to these inefficient government companies should've continued, regardless of their economic situation?

French Coal is not "inefficient"? Neither was British.

If it wasn't inefficient, why did the coal mines have to close immidiately after Thatcher cut govenrment subsidies to the coal industry? If coal industry in the UK is still efficient, why are mines being constantly closed as "inefficient"?

[Divair]

Considering her family and her Premiership, my condolences fail to exist.

On the one hand.. I think it would be rude not to have any sympathies with her family.. on the other hand I despise her and everything she stood for. So I am torn between expressing my condolences and saying "good riddance !".

Just express condolences while disagreeing with what she stood for. It's not hard, and rather depressing to watch many people fail at doing that.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Didn't care for her political position, her policies or anything to about here really, but my condolences to her family non the less.

[Glasgia]

The country also needed Thatcher to invest in those areas she was destroying. She didn't. That is why there is so much hatred towards her.

Country's economy certainly didn't need it as shown by 130% increased GDP per capita, which is higher than French and same level as Germans.

increased gdp per capita, huge unemployment, inflation and general unrest.

[Calimera II]

This, pretty much.

It's unfortunate, but you got to understand that there was no other choice. Funding these inefficient government-owned industrial companies simply wasn't worth it anymore. Thatcher did her best to do the privatization as quickly and painlessly as possible.

So who was the majority? I think the working classes are a pretty large demographic ...

Yes of course. But not 100% of these people got fired.

[Hippostania]

I don't understand this.

Everyone here keep complaining about the fact that Lady Thatcher stopped funding inefficient government companies. I'm especially referring to the coal industry in Northern England, which was already suffering and on the brink of collapse as it simply wasn't profitable anymore. What else could have been done? Should shoveling taxpayers' money to these inefficient government companies should've continued, regardless of their economic situation?

it was not on the brink of collapse, it was cumbria's biggest employer. she ruined my county.
go back to lapland and get yourself a brain before you make more comments on this topic.

So just because the coal industry had a lot of employees, it means that it was profitable? Well, it certainly wasn't, as clearly displayed by the fact that the whole industry collapsed after they stopped recieving taxpayers' funds to fund their inefficient industry.

[South Kebabistan]

It's pretty good considering what I expect most people near where I live will be doing today. She deserved a lot worse.

No. Just no. It's rude, tasteless and vulgar to cheer at her death because you don't like her politics. She was not an oppressive dictator that was killed in a revolution, she was an old woman and a human being. This one dimensional view of her as her political policies instead of an actual person is pretty disgusting. You don't agree with me, I don't care, I have a sense of decency, deal with it.

You don't know what it was like. My grandparents worked down the mines and in metal factories for over 12 hours a day for pretty much minimum wages and a house with no heating and 5 kids to feed. Then thatcher comes along and takes even more of their money to give to the rich and puts most of them out of their jobs. If your American you have no right to tell me thatcher deserves respect. If your a Brit then your the most stupid and ignorant posh twat I've ever heard.

[Glasgia]

On the one hand.. I think it would be rude not to have any sympathies with her family.. on the other hand I despise her and everything she stood for. So I am torn between expressing my condolences and saying "good riddance !".

Just express condolences while disagreeing with what she stood for. It's not hard, and rather depressing to watch many people fail at doing that.

Well said. It's said to see anyone die, no matter their politics. However, I'm still gonna hate the living shit out of her government.

[Priory Academy USSR]

She made life worse for many, many more. She created a class divide so massive it still hasn't healed today, and it's leaving us far behind other European countries.

Uhh no. Let me repeat: If she hadn't done what she did, Britain would be an industrial shithole hit by every munor crisis.
This bitch made Britain competitive and much richer. Accept it, your story isn't representative.

She did manage to create a complete overeliance on the banking sector, which is partially to blame as to why we're one of the slowest recovering economies in the world at the moment, and give us a huge trade deficit which will be virtually impossible to shift.

[Slow-Declinesville]

French Coal is not "inefficient"? Neither was British.

If it wasn't inefficient, why did the coal mines have to close immidiately after Thatcher cut govenrment subsidies to the coal industry? If coal industry in the UK is still efficient, why are mines being constantly closed as "inefficient"?

They are actually reopening collieries thanks to new tech. If you want an opinion of her administration and it's effevts on the country as a whole you really need to listen to the opinions of Brits who've had to live with the fallout of her policies.

[Hippostania]

Let's assume that the job of a government is to make its citizens happy and fulfilled as opposed to making some GDP numbers go up. In this case, your point fails to stand.

Keeping the people happy by throwing money at them from the government coffers is not a good long-term plan.

[Calorax]

She made life worse for many, many more. She created a class divide so massive it still hasn't healed today, and it's leaving us far behind other European countries.

Uhh no. Let me repeat: If she hadn't done what she did, Britain would be an industrial shithole hit by every munor crisis.
This bitch made Britain competitive and much richer. Accept it, your story isn't representative.

This isn't just "my" story, this is a majority of Britons. She may have made us competitive and the country may have been richer, but we're not a company, we're a nation. Plus, the poor didn't see any of this money, did they?

Fucking hell, I can see why the Scots and the Welsh hate us now.

[Heavenly Peace]

No. Just no. It's rude, tasteless and vulgar to cheer at her death because you don't like her politics. She was not an oppressive dictator that was killed in a revolution, she was an old woman and a human being. This one dimensional view of her as her political policies instead of an actual person is pretty disgusting. You don't agree with me, I don't care, I have a sense of decency, deal with it.

You don't know what it was like. My grandparents worked down the mines and in metal factories for over 12 hours a day for pretty much minimum wages and a house with no heating and 5 kids to feed. Then thatcher comes along and takes even more of their money to give to the rich and puts most of them out of their jobs. If your American you have no right to tell me thatcher deserves respect. If your a Brit then your the most stupid and ignorant posh twat I've ever heard.

An appeal to emotion is a poor argument. The fact remains that the government was using our money to prop up failing industries for the benefit of a minority.

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

it was not on the brink of collapse, it was cumbria's biggest employer. she ruined my county.
go back to lapland and get yourself a brain before you make more comments on this topic.

So just because the coal industry had a lot of employees, it means that it was profitable? Well, it certainly wasn't, as clearly displayed by the fact that the whole industry collapsed after they stopped recieving taxpayers' funds to fund their inefficient industry.

My county was a whole lot less profitable afterwards, you muppet!
it still has one of the highest unemployent rates in britain.

[Glasgia]

French Coal is not "inefficient"? Neither was British.

If it wasn't inefficient, why did the coal mines have to close immidiately after Thatcher cut govenrment subsidies to the coal industry? If coal industry in the UK is still efficient, why are mines being constantly closed as "inefficient"?

Unfortunately, though admittedly not the best industry, miners still had a large chunk of UK employment. To let the mining business collapse would see even higher unemployment than... Oh wait, she let it collapse. Was it 23% unemployment?