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Postby Nadkor » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 am

greed and death wrote:The Tory government has announced privatizing the NHS in honor of Mrs. Thatcher.


Oh, that happened last week.

I guess with that happening, the huge changes to the welfare system that came in last week as well, and with the changes to disability benefits coming in today she decided that her work was done.
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Postby Disserbia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 am

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Disserbia wrote:That's pretty despicable.


Thatcher is/was reviled by a fairly significant proportion of the population for pretty legitimate reasons. It's hardly a surprise.

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Cilef wrote:Well, condolences to her family. Gone but not forgiven.

Though I can't but remember this.

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Postby Glasgia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 am

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No.

Umm... yeah. Cameron's constrictive spending policies haven't helped the economy, Thatcher's privatisation didn't either
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 am

San Leggera wrote:
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The story of your family isn't representative.

Actually, given the millions of lives she ruined, I'd say it is.


-GDP per capita rose
-More welfare projects
-She turned britain into a competitive state
-She improved life of millions british

If she hadn't done all this, britain would be a industrial shithole hit by every minor crisis,

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Postby Hippostania » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:44 am

Radiatia wrote:At the moment that only anti-Thatcher arguments that I'm really willing to accept are a) There were job losses as a result of her reforms

I don't understand this.

Everyone here keep complaining about the fact that Lady Thatcher stopped funding inefficient government companies. I'm especially referring to the coal industry in Northern England, which was already suffering and on the brink of collapse as it simply wasn't profitable anymore. What else could have been done? Should shoveling taxpayers' money to these inefficient government companies should've continued, regardless of their economic situation?
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Postby Azurand » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:44 am

One of my favorite women leaders :(
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:44 am

Glasgia wrote:
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No.

Umm... yeah. Cameron's constrictive spending policies haven't helped the economy, Thatcher's privatisation didn't either

Still no.

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Postby St George » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:45 am

Heavenly Peace wrote:The interests of the majority come before a minority. The medicine was bitter but the country needed it.

The country also needed Thatcher to invest in those areas she was destroying. She didn't. That is why there is so much hatred towards her.
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Ok well you'll need to source that then because the common understanding has always been that she was hovering around 30%...


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Calimera II wrote:
San Leggera wrote:Actually, given the millions of lives she ruined, I'd say it is.


-GDP per capita rose
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-She turned britain into a competitive state
-She improved life of millions british

If she hadn't done all this, britain would be a industrial shithole hit by every minor crisis,

She made life worse for many, many more. She created a class divide so massive it still hasn't healed today, and it's leaving us far behind other European countries.
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Radiatia wrote:At the moment that only anti-Thatcher arguments that I'm really willing to accept are a) There were job losses as a result of her reforms

I don't understand this.

Everyone here keep complaining about the fact that Lady Thatcher stopped funding inefficient government companies. I'm especially referring to the coal industry in Northern England, which was already suffering and on the brink of collapse as it simply wasn't profitable anymore. What else could have been done? Should shoveling taxpayers' money to these inefficient government companies should've continued, regardless of their economic situation?


it was not on the brink of collapse, it was cumbria's biggest employer. she ruined my county.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:46 am

I don't really know much about Mrs. Thatcher's administration (still unsure how to classify that), but would someone mind giving me a quick rundown of the former Prime Minister's policies and their effects? Is it right to assume she was a friend, politically I mean, of Reagan?

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Postby Heavenly Peace » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:46 am

St George wrote:
Heavenly Peace wrote:The interests of the majority come before a minority. The medicine was bitter but the country needed it.

The country also needed Thatcher to invest in those areas she was destroying. She didn't. That is why there is so much hatred towards her.


Why should the taxpayer have to subsidize failing industries? What right does any politician have to place our money into the pockets of big corporations and trade unions?
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Radiatia wrote:At the moment that only anti-Thatcher arguments that I'm really willing to accept are a) There were job losses as a result of her reforms

I don't understand this.

Everyone here keep complaining about the fact that Lady Thatcher stopped funding inefficient government companies. I'm especially referring to the coal industry in Northern England, which was already suffering and on the brink of collapse as it simply wasn't profitable anymore. What else could have been done? Should shoveling taxpayers' money to these inefficient government companies should've continued, regardless of their economic situation?

French Coal is not "inefficient"? Neither was British.
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Postby Oppressorion » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:46 am

I disagreed with her politics, but I respected her will and strength. Despite the riots and strikes, at least she stuck to her guns. And, I believe, wrote a comedy sketch satirising herself.
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I will not condemn her to Hell; but may God have mercy on her soul.
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Postby Kazinstan » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:46 am

Ding Dong, the witch is dead.

Terrible, Terrible Prime-Minister, Horrible Woman.


But I do not know weather to extend my condolences, so at this current time, regrettably no.


Or maybe yes, I do not know.

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Postby Calimera II » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:47 am

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Postby Slow-Declinesville » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:47 am

Calimera II wrote:
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I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.


The story of your family isn't representative.


Though it is representative of an awful lot of people. The fact that she sold off and privatized most of our national industries has also left us with uncontrollably expensive rail fares, gas, electricity and so forth. Sad for her family, but there is a lot of agreement that many of her decisions have lead to the poor state of the nations finances and welfare system.
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Postby Hippostania » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:48 am

Heavenly Peace wrote:
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I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.


The interests of the majority come before a minority. The medicine was bitter but the country needed it.

This, pretty much.

It's unfortunate, but you got to understand that there was no other choice. Funding these inefficient government-owned industrial companies simply wasn't worth it anymore. Thatcher did her best to do the privatization as quickly and painlessly as possible.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:49 am

Calorax wrote:
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-GDP per capita rose
-More welfare projects
-She turned britain into a competitive state
-She improved life of millions british

If she hadn't done all this, britain would be a industrial shithole hit by every minor crisis,

She made life worse for many, many more. She created a class divide so massive it still hasn't healed today, and it's leaving us far behind other European countries.


Uhh no. Let me repeat: If she hadn't done what she did, Britain would be an industrial shithole hit by every munor crisis.
This bitch made Britain competitive and much richer. Accept it, your story isn't representative.

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