Margaret Thatcher is Dead

[Fulflood]

Yeah, there's one succesful Finnish university that's in Top 100. Switzerland has 3-4, depending on the ranking. It's clear display that our DDR-based comprehensive school system is a massive failure. Finnish school system punishes success and rewards failure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21354932
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/15/us-education-reform-lessons-from-finland
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/02/finnish-lessons.html

Evidently we should be doing more punishing success in school, it really seems to work!

[Napkiraly]

And is appropriate. If it's a waste of funds to give people benefits, then it's a bigger waste to finance her funeral.

I agree. And as influential and as "loved" (In certain circles) as she may be, I've never experienced a PM's funeral before, but are the military honours necessarry?

No. Only two other PM's have received state funerals, Gladstone and Churchill.

[Radiatia]

Hippostania.. Please..
Finland has fot the best education system in the world.
Look at the PISA results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_ ... Assessment

That proves nothing.

Finnish school system heavily emphasizes memorizing things without understanding them. Of course Finns seem smart, when the entire education system is based on memorizing system for the test without understanding anything. The result is grey, semi-intelligent mass of teenagers who have no idea how the world works and have been indoctrinated to support the social democratic system.

Funny, I know someone who is a semi-intelligent Finnish teenager with no idea how the world works. He often posts contradictory and hypocritical statements on NSG supporting extreme right-wing policies, essentially making a fool of himself.

[Yaltabaoth]

I don't have a source (sorry) but my Sky News App just informed me she will receive a full ceremonial funeral with military honours.

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

Oh look at the second comment on this earlier link...

Well, condolences to her family. Gone but not forgiven.

Though I can't but remember this.

For those who can't be assed clicking, it's

We should have her funeral held by the lowest bidder, it's what she would have wanted...



[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

switzerland is not a frozen wilderness, and is a small country. hence the better chances to improve the education system.

[Disserbia]

That's pretty despicable.

It's pretty good considering what I expect most people near where I live will be doing today. She deserved a lot worse.

No. Just no. It's rude, tasteless and vulgar to cheer at her death because you don't like her politics. She was not an oppressive dictator that was killed in a revolution, she was an old woman and a human being. This one dimensional view of her as her political policies instead of an actual person is pretty disgusting. You don't agree with me, I don't care, I have a sense of decency, deal with it.

[Calimera II]

It is the duty of the British government to protect HM's subjects from foreign aggression. You take the one of the few things that the government should be doing (defense) and say that it's irrelevant? Yeah, maybe we should've thrown the money that was used for the Falklands War to chavs? Maybe they could've bought some more beer and weed, 'innit mate?

I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.

The story of your family isn't representative.

[Hippostania]

That proves nothing.

Finnish school system heavily emphasizes memorizing things without understanding them. Of course Finns seem smart, when the entire education system is based on memorizing system for the test without understanding anything. The result is grey, semi-intelligent mass of teenagers who have no idea how the world works and have been indoctrinated to support the social democratic system.

i think it proves that the finns have the best educational system in the world, as suggested by the point of the table

Did you even read my message?

It proves that Finns are good at memorizing certain things. They don't understand it nor do they excel at it. Everyone are just plain average.

[St George]

Certainly a good PM.
Fucked a little around with the Malvinas etc. But still better than Cameron. Horrible..

That's like saying gonorrhea is better than AIDS.

[Calorax]

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

Oh look at the second comment on this earlier link...

Well, condolences to her family. Gone but not forgiven.

Though I can't but remember this.

For those who can't be assed clicking, it's

We should have her funeral held by the lowest bidder, it's what she would have wanted...



I apologise for not checking every comment on every link in this thread.

As I said though, point still stands.

[Arumdaum]

i think it proves that the finns have the best educational system in the world, as suggested by the point of the table

Did you even read my message?

It proves that Finns are good at memorizing certain things. They don't understand it nor do they excel at it. Everyone are just plain average.

Ohoho, if you think Finland focuses only on memorizing, you should come to the US...

[Greed and Death]

The Tory government has announced privatizing the NHS in honor of Mrs. Thatcher.

[Blakullar]

If it ever emerged that Thatcher sent a nuclear missile in the direction of Buenos Aires, by way of a last act of retribution, I can bet you that her last words would have been directed to Galtieri: "Nos vemos en el infierno, muthafucka".

[Fulflood]

Hippostania.. Please..
Finland has fot the best education system in the world.
Look at the PISA results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_ ... Assessment

That proves nothing.

Finnish school system heavily emphasizes memorizing things without understanding them. Of course Finns seem smart, when the entire education system is based on memorizing system for the test without understanding anything. The result is grey, semi-intelligent mass of teenagers who have no idea how the world works and have been indoctrinated to support the social democratic system.

From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/02/finnish-lessons.html

Standardized testing isn't a part of a child's early educational experience. Their work is largely evaluated through samples of their work. Students don't undergo formal testing until their teen years.

Schools are "fear free" places, where homework and standardized testing are not seen as pillars of education.

And from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21354932

There are no national examinations or rankings. We don't have that culture of comparing schools. If a school is not doing well, it is not closed down. It is given more resources.

[Forsakia]

Mm, not nearly as clear-cut as that. Prior to the Falklands war her ratings had been rising significantly and steadily. It's a matter of rather serious academic debate whether that would have continued without the Falklands (and in any case, you play the hand you're dealt).

Ok well you'll need to source that then because the common understanding has always been that she was hovering around 30%...

Bear with me, I'll go digging.

[Calimera II]

i think it proves that the finns have the best educational system in the world, as suggestedu by the point of the table

Did you even read my message?

It proves that Finns are good at memorizing certain things. They don't understand it nor do they excel at it. Everyone are just plain average.

We gave you a lot of sources, you gave us none.

You know, Finnish Ecucation is known for it's creative character etc. And it works. So stop fooling around.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Sky News reporting that the former Prime Minister of Britain has died after a stroke.

Whatever I think about her Premiership, my condolences go out to her family.

Considering her family and her Premiership, my condolences fail to exist.

Yeah not much sympathy on my half then.

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

i think it proves that the finns have the best educational system in the world, as suggested by the point of the table

Did you even read my message?

It proves that Finns are good at memorizing certain things. They don't understand it nor do they excel at it. Everyone are just plain average.

they do excel at it, LOOK AT THE TABLE

[Jolthig]

Though not a conservative, may she rest in peace.

[San Leggera]

I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.

The story of your family isn't representative.

Actually, given the millions of lives she ruined, I'd say it is.

[Glasgia]

It is the duty of the British government to protect HM's subjects from foreign aggression. You take the one of the few things that the government should be doing (defense) and say that it's irrelevant? Yeah, maybe we should've thrown the money that was used for the Falklands War to chavs? Maybe they could've bought some more beer and weed, 'innit mate?

I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.

Re-posting something important to me and ignored by Hippo

[Calimera II]

Certainly a good PM.
Fucked a little around with the Malvinas etc. But still better than Cameron. Horrible..

That's like saying gonorrhea is better than AIDS.

No.

[Liriena]

Let no one in Argentina hear this.

I can already imagine Kirchnerists celebrating...brain-dead brats.

[Eoghania]

Hippostania.. Please..
Finland has fot the best education system in the world.
Look at the PISA results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_ ... Assessment

That proves nothing.

Finnish school system heavily emphasizes memorizing things without understanding them. Of course Finns seem smart, when the entire education system is based on memorizing system for the test without understanding anything. The result is grey, semi-intelligent mass of teenagers who have no idea how the world works and have been indoctrinated to support the social democratic system.

Citation needed.

[Heavenly Peace]

It is the duty of the British government to protect HM's subjects from foreign aggression. You take the one of the few things that the government should be doing (defense) and say that it's irrelevant? Yeah, maybe we should've thrown the money that was used for the Falklands War to chavs? Maybe they could've bought some more beer and weed, 'innit mate?

I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.

The interests of the majority come before a minority. The medicine was bitter but the country needed it.