Margaret Thatcher is Dead

[Calorax]

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

That joke's been done too many times.

And I thought I'd do it again, cos the point still stands.

[Calimera II]

So you admit you've never actually been to Britain then?

I have. I have been in the UK several times, including one summer in Surrey when I used South West Trains services from Leatherhead almost daily. I never experienced any problems, everything worked better than here in Finland.

So, Hippostania. Any explanation on your Hippocrisy?

I don't see any hypocrisy. Chavez's death was nothing but a punishment for his criminal deeds. Of course, some people might think that somehow, the fact that Thatcher got rid of inefficient and failing state companies that required constant subsidies and that couldn't stand without money from the taxpayers. But yeah, some people are selfish and only think of themselves.

http://www.businessinsider.com/finlands-education-system-best-in-world-2012-11?op=1

Name one succesful Finnish university.

Hippostania.. Please..
Finland has fot the best education system in the world.
Look at the PISA results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_ ... Assessment

[Fulflood]

Election fraud:
http://shark-tank.net/2013/03/25/venezu ... imidation/

Honestly, this was the first link I clicked. I have yet to read the others, but the main flaw I found in this one was that it's purely speculative in every paragraph.

From the article:

It seems as if Venezuela’s upcoming Presidential election could bring much of the same dirty political campaigning and elections corruption the country is known for partaking in.

Venezuela’s current Chavista government is not about to concede power, and will most likely pull out all of the political stops to ensure that the “revolution continues.”

This does not prove he committed voter fraud, similarly to the way me saying "Hippostania may become the President of the Congo" would not prove that Hippostania is or was, or ever will be, President of the Congo.

[Heavenly Peace]

You would only consider her one of the best if you are from the elite/upper-class, do not care about anyone poorer than you and have conservative/reactionary political views.
She took from the poor to give to the rich.

Exactly what David Cameron and George Osborne are doing now.

Ironic when welfare spending and taxes are going up under this government.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Notwithstanding that pre Falklands War she was on target to loose her next election...and after the Falklands she won by massive landslide.

That is why I say both the Argentine and British governments took a gamble in that war (The UK had to, given the circumstances). The only difference is that Thatcher won.

Actually the Thatch didn't actually have to go to war to have resolved the issue...but because she had a dick she felt the need to show the world that the UK was still militarily significant. Which can be seen from the state of our current armed forces, particularly the Royal Navy.

[Luziyca]

I don't have a source (sorry) but my Sky News App just informed me she will receive a full ceremonial funeral with military honours.

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

How about she gets some more hippocrites with her funeral? Just clone Hippostania until you get the standard amount of pallbearers, then use said clones as pallbearers for his heroes...

[Ardboe Eire]

You would only consider her one of the best if you are from the elite/upper-class, do not care about anyone poorer than you and have conservative/reactionary political views.
She took from the poor to give to the rich.

Exactly what David Cameron and George Osborne are doing now.

She closed the mines and tried to re-introduce the poll tax

[Chinese Regions]

I don't have a source (sorry) but my Sky News App just informed me she will receive a full ceremonial funeral with military honours.

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

Thatcher's funeral, sponsored by.....

[Napkiraly]

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

That joke's been done too many times.

And is appropriate. If it's a waste of funds to give people benefits, then it's a bigger waste to finance her funeral.

[Luziyca]

It should be privatised. It's what she'd have wanted, right?

Thatcher's funeral, sponsored by.....

...Alko.

[Individual]

You asked me to name a successful Finnish university.

I did.

Stop shifting the goalposts.

Yeah, there's one succesful Finnish university that's in Top 100. Switzerland has 3-4, depending on the ranking. It's clear display that our DDR-based comprehensive school system is a massive failure. Finnish school system punishes success and rewards failure.

Being on top 100 universities is failure? Go to a higher-class university abroad, since you really sound like you have the money for it, ya Hell's Sink snob.

[Malgrave]

Notwithstanding that pre Falklands War she was on target to loose her next election...and after the Falklands she won by massive landslide.

That is why I say both the Argentine and British governments took a gamble in that war (The UK had to, given the circumstances). The only difference is that Thatcher won.

Thatcher's butchering of the British Armed Forces (including the planned selling of the Invincible in 82 to Australia) led the Argentine government to believe that a takeover of the Falkland Islands would not even be contested and instead the British government would head straight towards the negotiating table.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Notwithstanding that pre Falklands War she was on target to loose her next election...and after the Falklands she won by massive landslide.

Mm, not nearly as clear-cut as that. Prior to the Falklands war her ratings had been rising significantly and steadily. It's a matter of rather serious academic debate whether that would have continued without the Falklands (and in any case, you play the hand you're dealt).

Ok well you'll need to source that then because the common understanding has always been that she was hovering around 30%...

[Lemonius]

That joke's been done too many times.

And is appropriate. If it's a waste of funds to give people benefits, then it's a bigger waste to finance her funeral.

I agree. And as influential and as "loved" (In certain circles) as she may be, I've never experienced a PM's funeral before, but are the military honours necessarry?

[Ardboe Eire]

Thatcher's funeral, sponsored by.....

...Alko.

The PIRA,Gaddafi's family,Argentina lol

[Hippostania]

Hippostania.. Please..
Finland has fot the best education system in the world.
Look at the PISA results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_ ... Assessment

That proves nothing.

Finnish school system heavily emphasizes memorizing things without understanding them. Of course Finns seem smart, when the entire education system is based on memorizing system for the test without understanding anything. The result is grey, semi-intelligent mass of teenagers who have no idea how the world works and have been indoctrinated to support the social democratic system.

[Afalia]

I agree. And as influential and as "loved" (In certain circles) as she may be, I've never experienced a PM's funeral before, but are the military honours necessarry?

Because of the Falklands war, yes.

[Glasgia]

Cost the lives of British men over some islands in Argentina

It is the duty of the British government to protect HM's subjects from foreign aggression. You take the one of the few things that the government should be doing (defense) and say that it's irrelevant? Yeah, maybe we should've thrown the money that was used for the Falklands War to chavs? Maybe they could've bought some more beer and weed, 'innit mate?

I wanna stop you here and tell you you've gone over the fucking line. My nan was one of the most hard working people I ever met. However, the economy meant she couldn't get a job. My mum had to live with her mum, step-dad, nan and granddad all in a council house. It wasn't too bad, under Mrs Thatcher starts fucking up welfare. My mum had to live in, just checked with her, over ten different houses in under five years at home while the Thatcher cabinet was at work selling of any ones her family might've applied for. Meanwhile, my granddad on my dad's side lost his job as an engineer in the car industry thanks to Thatcher's destructive policies. You're lucky to live in Finland with a working system and good quality of life, don't assume everything was perfect in Britain under Thatcher.

[Radiatia]

It is the duty of the British government to protect HM's subjects from foreign aggression. You take the one of the few things that the government should be doing (defense) and say that it's irrelevant? Yeah, maybe we should've thrown the money that was used for the Falklands War to chavs? Maybe they could've bought some more beer and weed, 'innit mate?

Foreign aggression? We invaded Argentina and we lost good men because of that bitch. Sure we didn't lose as much as the other young men defending their land and we won (all so that bitch would win the election). but we lost lives nonetheless, there are no winners in war.

My dad fought in the Falkland's War. It was a good an necessary war to protect British subjects from having their land taken over by a brutal dictatorship, which is precisely what Argentina was at the time.

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At the moment that only anti-Thatcher arguments that I'm really willing to accept are a) There were job losses as a result of her reforms b) She was perhaps too heavy-handed in the way she took on the unions and c) The poor did suffer as a result of her policies

I don't have a lot of time for the rest of the anti-Thatcher arguments, as they seem to be based in irrationality and emotion.

[The Kephkhan-Skarab-Ix Corporation]

Let the decay of her corpse begin.

[Forsakia]

Are you defining sane vs insane as "agree with me"?

No.

Over 62 million people voted for him in 04, are they all insane?

No.

So when you say 'find me a single sane person who liked Bush'...

A British general election is not the same as a US presidential one (Are you American?)

No.

Re-election is not easy, re-election twice certainly isn't, one term PMs are fairly common. Thatcher was one of the longest serving PMs of the 20th century.

Re-election under a parliamentary system is incredibly easy.

It really isn't. Thatcher was the 7th longest serving Prime Minister ever, and the longest of the 20th century. That's how easy what she did was. How many Prime Ministers do you think won 3 elections?

I'm turning up polling about historical rankings rather than like/dislike currently (which has her highly rated). Which is really more than you've done.

Historical rankings mean nothing because they're all relative. For all we know, the top rank could only be popular with 20% of people (unlikely, but it's a possibility).

Then I'd be delighted to see any historical polling you have?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

That is why I say both the Argentine and British governments took a gamble in that war (The UK had to, given the circumstances). The only difference is that Thatcher won.

Thatcher's butchering of the British Armed Forces (including the planned selling of the Invincible in 82 to Australia) led the Argentine government to believe that a takeover of the Falkland Islands would not even be contested and instead the British government would head straight towards the negotiating table.

Which is why they mainly used conscripts...it was never meant to play out into to a full blown war. It was to relieve pressure on the junta...

[Calimera II]

Certainly a good PM.
Fucked a little around with the Malvinas etc. But still better than Cameron. Horrible..

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

Hippostania.. Please..
Finland has fot the best education system in the world.
Look at the PISA results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_ ... Assessment

That proves nothing.

Finnish school system heavily emphasizes memorizing things without understanding them. Of course Finns seem smart, when the entire education system is based on memorizing system for the test without understanding anything. The result is grey, semi-intelligent mass of teenagers who have no idea how the world works and have been indoctrinated to support the social democratic system.

i think it proves that the finns have the best educational system in the world, as suggested by the point of the table

[Hippostania]

Yeah, there's one succesful Finnish university that's in Top 100. Switzerland has 3-4, depending on the ranking. It's clear display that our DDR-based comprehensive school system is a massive failure. Finnish school system punishes success and rewards failure.

Being on top 100 universities is failure? Go to a higher-class university abroad, since you really sound like you have the money for it, ya Hell's Sink snob.

Yes, having one university in Top 100 is a failure when other countries of our size have 3-4. And yeah, that is my plan.