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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:01 pm

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Postby Haydenish People » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:01 pm

People! She had a family who loved loved her, and they deserve respect. Please, don't make this into a debate about Margaret Thatcher. "Good riddance" is not something you say when someone dies. Be respectful, for God's sake! Just because you disagreed with her policies, doesn't mean you should rejoice her death.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:01 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Arglorand wrote:He's not that bad.

He's also not that good.

Stalin would've bitchslapped Putie-poo.

Of course. As far as ability is concerned, Stalin is Putin's superior.

Hence why Putin felt the need to invade Georgia back in 2008. It was all derived from a complex he had with the Russian people constantly comparing him to Stalin and discovering that he was neither as bad a person nor as successful a politician, and Stalin was Georgian. *nods*
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:02 pm

Arglorand wrote:
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Stalin too. Tho I believe Putin is the reincarnated soul of Stalin anyway so it's all good.

He's not that bad.


It was meant as a compliment..
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:02 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:Remember Orgreave, remember Hillsborough, remember The Belgrano, remember Trident, remember Gibraltar, remember Wapping, remember Greenham Common, remember the bombing of Libya, remember the school milk, remember the Poll Tax, remember her support for Pinochet, Apartheid and the Khmer Rouge, remember her calling Nelson Mandela "a terrorist".

A good summary of all that really needs to be remembered about this woman.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:03 pm

Haydenish People wrote:People! She had a family who loved loved her, and they deserve respect. Please, don't make this into a debate about Margaret Thatcher. "Good riddance" is not something you say when someone dies. Be respectful, for God's sake! Just because you disagreed with her policies, doesn't mean you should rejoice her death.


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Now, I'm not saying that the name-calling in that quote applies to the Baroness, but the death of a public figure is always cause for debate regarding their legacy, and to balance the good and evil that they did in life. Let's not assume that her death somehow absolves her of criticism or analysis.

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Postby Juristonia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:04 pm

Haydenish People wrote:People! She had a family who loved loved her, and they deserve respect. Please, don't make this into a debate about Margaret Thatcher. "Good riddance" is not something you say when someone dies. Be respectful, for God's sake! Just because you disagreed with her policies, doesn't mean you should rejoice her death.


Ridiculous.
She was a public figure. You can't talk about Thatcher without talking about the things that she did. Ignoring those things just because they were negative is whitewashing history.
I'm sorry for her family but she was a horrible human being and the world lost absolutely nothing of value today.


Edit: Guardian actually had a good op piece about that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:04 pm

Haydenish People wrote:People! She had a family who loved loved her,
Good for her then.
Haydenish People wrote:and they deserve respect.
I'd say privacy more than anything else.
Haydenish People wrote:Please, don't make this into a debate about Margaret Thatcher.
Literally impossible.
Haydenish People wrote:"Good riddance" is not something you say when someone dies.
It's understandable why some people would say that.
Haydenish People wrote:Be respectful, for God's sake! Just because you disagreed with her policies, doesn't mean you should rejoice her death.
It doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss her time as prime minister.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:04 pm

Haydenish People wrote:People! She had a family who loved loved her, and they deserve respect.


Are you including Mark Thatcher in that? Because if you are I would seriously dispute your claim that they deserve respect.

Please, don't make this into a debate about Margaret Thatcher. "Good riddance" is not something you say when someone dies. Be respectful, for God's sake! Just because you disagreed with her policies, doesn't mean you should rejoice her death.


Neither should we pretend she never did bad things.
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Postby Auskralian Republic » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:04 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
North Paju wrote:Despite what she put this country through, she stood up against an illegal invasion on British territory - probably something that wouldn't happen under this government. I really hate it when people are so fucking bitter and almost overjoyed when someone dies.

Seriously, do you have no respect for the dead? I maintain a middle ground on this.

No I do not automatically respect a person just because they kicked the bucket.



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Postby Arglorand » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:05 pm

Auskralian Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:No I do not automatically respect a person just because they kicked the bucket.



I'll be sure to dance and spit on every grave in Wisconsin seventy years from now.

Look at the list Chinese Regions conveniently provided at the top of this page.

Will all those people have accomplished all those things?
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Auskralian Republic wrote:

I'll be sure to dance and spit on every grave in Wisconsin seventy years from now.

Look at the list Chinese Regions conveniently provided at the top of this page.

Will all those people have accomplished all those things?



I once had a dream in which a neo-Nazi empire found it's beginnings in Wisconsin.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:08 pm

Auskralian Republic wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Look at the list Chinese Regions conveniently provided at the top of this page.

Will all those people have accomplished all those things?



I once had a dream in which a neo-Nazi empire found it's beginnings in Wisconsin.

It'd be more likely to come from Iowa.

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Postby Arglorand » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:08 pm

Auskralian Republic wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Look at the list Chinese Regions conveniently provided at the top of this page.

Will all those people have accomplished all those things?



I once had a dream in which a neo-Nazi empire found it's beginnings in Wisconsin.

Unfortunately, unlike your dream, all those things were real.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:11 pm

Arglorand wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:He's also not that good.

Stalin would've bitchslapped Putie-poo.

Of course. As far as ability is concerned, Stalin is Putin's superior.

Hence why Putin felt the need to invade Georgia back in 2008. It was all derived from a complex he had with the Russian people constantly comparing him to Stalin and discovering that he was neither as bad a person nor as successful a politician, and Stalin was Georgian. *nods*


He beat Georgia decisively though. We should give hm credit.
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Postby Mexicanada » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:12 pm

RIP, but she'll never be as good as Churchill.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:12 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Auskralian Republic wrote:

I once had a dream in which a neo-Nazi empire found it's beginnings in Wisconsin.

It'd be more likely to come from Iowa.

No, Idaho.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:12 pm

Mexicanada wrote:RIP, but she'll never be as good as Churchill.

Yeah, Death kind of makes that a certainty.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:13 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:It'd be more likely to come from Iowa.

No, Idaho.

Idaho doesn't exist. There's nothing between Oregon/Washington and Montana.

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Mexicanada wrote:RIP, but she'll never be as good as Churchill.

And not even remotely close to Attlee.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:14 pm

Mexicanada wrote:RIP, but she'll never be as good as Churchill.


Churchill wasn't particularly good; she's not got much to live up to there.
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Postby Sabara » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:14 pm

South Kebabistan wrote:The worst prime minister in British history, but still R.I.P.


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Postby Arglorand » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Of course. As far as ability is concerned, Stalin is Putin's superior.

Hence why Putin felt the need to invade Georgia back in 2008. It was all derived from a complex he had with the Russian people constantly comparing him to Stalin and discovering that he was neither as bad a person nor as successful a politician, and Stalin was Georgian. *nods*


He beat Georgia decisively though. We should give hm credit.

He invaded a country the size of a single Russian autonomous republic, and not one of the big ones. Georgia could not even suitably defend itself because the gorges in the Caucasus Mountains that it could block to hamper Russian advancement were controlled by South Ossetian secessionist forces. There was nothing to give credit for, it was a zerg rush.

Anyway, that is neither here nor there.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:RIP, but she'll never be as good as Churchill.


Churchill wasn't particularly good; she's not got much to live up to there.



He was ok. Better then Chamberlain and Atlee. Tho not as good as Uncle Joe.
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