Would an AI have a right to live?

[The Rich Port]

Call me a bad person, but I don't believe in an AI's right to live.

I think living is more of a privilege.

well he's wright.

I don't care if he's Wilbur Wright's cousin.

What he said is fucking stupid.

[Anachronous Rex]

Or let it design its own reproduction.

ok, but what if it had problems makeing the reproduction and it go's wrouge it would be a disater it would need help to program a duplicate.

... what?

Nevermind an AI, I'm pretty sure this wouldn't pass a turing test.

[Ovon]

You made that up completely.
Personhood is not a biological concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

Shoe me one example where personhood has been attributed to a non-biological or non human entity. This is beating a dead horse.

[Alowwvia]

So people with prosthetics are less of a person than people without prosthetics?

We already went over this. My definitions of what people and person and alive is all biological not the ethical or philosophical ones. What do you hope to achieve by continuing the argument ?

Inb4 someone asks what the biological definition is, it is attributed to humans.

Amount given a fuck about the biological definition of human: 0.

[Ovon]

well he's wright.

I don't care if he's Wilbur Wright's cousin.

What he said is fucking stupid.

no, if you think about it he is right.

and dont you have to be born in order to be alive.

[Zweite Alaje]

Not AL, AI, as in artificial intelligence

Er, she was making a joke.

Call me a bad person, but I don't believe in an AI's right to live.
I think living is more of a privilege.

I don't think life is either a privilege or a right.

It is a right, at least to the innocent.

[Conscentia]

You made that up completely.
Personhood is not a biological concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person
Shoe me one example where personhood has been attributed to a non-biological or non human entity. This is beating a dead horse.

Thy source does not state that personhood is a biological concept.
In fact, they source states:

"A person is a being, such as a human, that has certain capacities or attributes constituting personhood, which in turn is defined differently by different authors in different disciplines, and by different cultures in different times and places."

And also:

the category of "person" may be taken to include such non-human entities as animals, artificial intelligences, or extraterrestrial life, as well as legal entities such as corporations, sovereign states and other polities, or estates in probate.

[Conscentia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person
Shoe me one example where personhood has been attributed to a non-biological or non human entity. This is beating a dead horse.

Don't praise those who are completely wrong.

[Ovon]

well that escalated quickly.

[Ovon]

Don't praise those who are completely wrong.

but he is right.

[Conscentia]

well that escalated quickly.

Actually, it was already escalated, and there was an armistice.

[Aghny]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person
Shoe me one example where personhood has been attributed to a non-biological or non human entity. This is beating a dead horse.

Thy source does not state that personhood is a biological concept.
In fact, they source states:

"A person is a being, such as a human, that has certain capacities or attributes constituting personhood, which in turn is defined differently by different authors in different disciplines, and by different cultures in different times and places."

And also:

the category of "person" may be taken to include such non-human entities as animals, artificial intelligences, or extraterrestrial life, as well as legal entities such as corporations, sovereign states and other polities, or estates in probate.

The key point being the difference between "what it is atm" and "what it may be".

Currently, no non-human entities have been classified as a person.

[Conscentia]

Thy source does not state that personhood is a biological concept.
In fact, they source states:

And also:

The key point being the difference between "what it is atm" and "what it may be".
Currently, no non-human entities have been classified as a person.

Er, I'm quite sure legal corporations exist, and according to the laws of many nations (such as the USA) they are persons.

[Ovon]

im with Aghny show me some prof.

[Alowwvia]

Er, she was making a joke.

I don't think life is either a privilege or a right.

It is a right, at least to the organisms who also so happen to be suitably close to my genome, and who I find morally acceptable.

Fixed that to better get your message across.

[Aghny]

The key point being the difference between "what it is atm" and "what it may be".
Currently, no non-human entities have been classified as a person.

Er, I'm quite sure legal corporations exist, and according to the laws of many nations (such as the USA) they are persons.

And what are these legal corporations comprised of ?

[Anachronous Rex]

You made that up completely.
Personhood is not a biological concept.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

Show me one example where personhood has been attributed to a non-biological or non human entity. This is beating a dead horse.

Let me explain to you how citation works:
When you make a claim, you cite evidence to prove it. You don't cite a source and then tell them to point out to you something that the source in all likelihood does not say, and if they can't do it that means you're right by default.

Because sources, even wikipedia, are not obligated to cover all possible contingencies. For instance show me where in this article, it says that Jews can be biracial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

You can't. That must mean they can't. Checkmate.

[Alowwvia]

im with Aghny show me some prof.

Proof
Of
What?

[Conscentia]

Er, I'm quite sure legal corporations exist, and according to the laws of many nations (such as the USA) they are persons.

And what are these legal corporations comprised of ?

Humans & property.

[Ovon]

thats it im geting off fro a little bit before i ( )

[Alowwvia]

thats it im geting off fro a little bit before i ( )

Please do, you'll have to get up early tommorow, I hear they're starting elementary school classes earlier and earlier these days.

[Conscentia]

thats it im geting off fro a little bit before i ( )

This is the relatively serious part of NS. Prolonged exposure is unwise unless you have built up an immunity.

[Aghny]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

Show me one example where personhood has been attributed to a non-biological or non human entity. This is beating a dead horse.

Let me explain to you how citation works:
When you make a claim, you cite evidence to prove it. You don't cite a source and then tell them to point out to you something that the source in all likelihood does not say, and if they can't do it that means you're right by default.

Because sources, even wikipedia, are not obligated to cover all possible contingencies. For instance show me where in this article, it says that Jews can be biracial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

You can't. That must mean they can't. Checkmate.

You could have just as easily said that you don't consider a wikipedia article as reliable source. Well then by all means, feel free to prove me wrong with a better source yourself.

And what are these legal corporations comprised of ?

Humans & property.

But certainly not property alone. And if it was cats and property, will you still call it "person" ? The common denominator is "human"

[Salandriagado]

No. A simulation of life is a simulation of life.

Kindly demonstrate that you are not "simulating" life. Then explain what the fuck the difference is.

[Conjoined Empire]

To me, 'living' is a very sketchy concept. Technically an AI (Artificial Intelligence) is not 'alive' at all. It is merely a series of algorithm designed to log and archive experiences upon which to model replies and reactions on certain conditions and stimuli...