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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:30 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.


Get out of this thread and get psychiatric help. You suffer from violent delusions and a Messiah complex. Your own statements show you to be dangerous to others, and unfit to participate in any civilized public forum.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:31 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:32 am

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Desperate Measures wrote:You're just some guy that when his arguments aren't holding up, resorts to advocating murder. That's all you are.

Based on his view...you are advocating murder.

I don't advocate abortions where they are illegal. I advocate changing the law where abortions are illegal. Murder is the unlawful killing of. Don't play.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:32 am

Liriena wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.


Get out of this thread and get psychiatric help. You suffer from violent delusions and a Messiah complex. Your own statements show you to be dangerous to others, and unfit to participate in any civilized public forum.

You must suffer from a multiple Personality Disorder...you seem to think you're a Psychologist/Psychiatrist.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:33 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

This is child?
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Postby New Naephak » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:33 am

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Get out of this thread and get psychiatric help. You suffer from violent delusions and a Messiah complex. Your own statements show you to be dangerous to others, and unfit to participate in any civilized public forum.

You must suffer from a chronic Split Personality Disorder...you seem to think you're a Psychologist/Psychiatrist.

You use that phrase. That phrase does not mean what you think it means.

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:34 am

New Naephak wrote:
Vazdania wrote:You must suffer from a chronic Split Personality Disorder...you seem to think you're a Psychologist/Psychiatrist.

You use that phrase. That phrase does not mean what you think it means.

fixed :p sorry its late...
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:34 am

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Get out of this thread and get psychiatric help. You suffer from violent delusions and a Messiah complex. Your own statements show you to be dangerous to others, and unfit to participate in any civilized public forum.

You must suffer from a chronic Split Personality Disorder...you seem to think you're a Psychologist/Psychiatrist.


Hahahaha...no. But how cute of you, jumping in to defend him, the guy who said he would murder his own wife if she had an abortion.
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Postby Othelos » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:35 am

The Mighty Warrior Horse wrote:Well, it's time for our monthly abortion thread.
Here's the thread: Kansas to enact life begins at fertilization law.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB ... 6?irpc=932
So,ummmm..... This would constitute abortion in Kansas as murder, which isn't good.
NS, your opinion on this?

Good thing. Now I can use the "abortion is murder" argument.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:35 am

Othelos wrote:
The Mighty Warrior Horse wrote:Well, it's time for our monthly abortion thread.
Here's the thread: Kansas to enact life begins at fertilization law.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSB ... 6?irpc=932
So,ummmm..... This would constitute abortion in Kansas as murder, which isn't good.
NS, your opinion on this?

Good thing. Now I can use the "abortion is murder" argument.

Not under my watch, buddy.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:36 am

Othelos wrote:Good thing. Now I can use the "abortion is murder" argument.

Only in Kansas and only if this passes and isn't struck down.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:37 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Othelos wrote:Good thing. Now I can use the "abortion is murder" argument.

Only in Kansas and only if this passes and isn't struck down.

And it will be struck down by the Supreme Court of Kansas in 3...2...1...
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:38 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

This is child?
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I wonder what language a fleshy jelly bean with no brain would speak? Care to translate Spiritwolf?

Vazdania wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Get out of this thread and get psychiatric help. You suffer from violent delusions and a Messiah complex. Your own statements show you to be dangerous to others, and unfit to participate in any civilized public forum.

You must suffer from a multiple Personality Disorder...you seem to think you're a Psychologist/Psychiatrist.


I think you're confused there.

And do you really want to be coming to the aid of the guy who said things like "I'd gut my wife like a fish if she had an abortion" and "here's a long list of people I advocate executing"?

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Postby Imsogone » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:38 am

Liriena wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Only in Kansas and only if this passes and isn't struck down.

And it will be struck down by the Supreme Court of Kansas in 3...2...1...


We are talking about Kansas here ....
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Postby Othelos » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:38 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:He echoed your sentiment precisely. Everyone present absolutely does know what you are saying.

If you take a life then you deserve to have your life taken. That's a fact. My point is that we should stop abortion because it is taking lives, even if you dont consider them to be "viable outside of the womb lives" they are still lives nonetheless.

If you're so in favor of life, why would you advocate for taking lives? Contradiction.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:38 am

Liriena wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Only in Kansas and only if this passes and isn't struck down.

And it will be struck down by the Supreme Court of Kansas in 3...2...1...

Someone has to challenge it in court first.
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Postby Transnapastain » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:40 am

Spiritwolf wrote:If my Wife aborted my child I would gut her like a fish. That's a fact. A life for a life. Carrying a pregnancy to term is a small thing when put in the balance against taking a childs life through an abortion. You make your choice and I will make mine. And I will sleep like a baby with a clear conscience, believe me.


Spiritwolf wrote:Anyone who takes a life deserves to die. That includes all of those selfish, cold hearted, baby killing women who have abortions. That includes the men who help them pay for the abortions. That includes the Doctors and nurses who perform the abortions. That includes the Legislators who legalized abortions. That even includes the security guards outside who are protecting the abortion clinics as they murder babies.


Ignoring for a moment the fallacy of "A life for a life." as I'm sure someone here latched onto that like a Pitt Bull.

We really, really do not take a good view on wishing death upon anyone. Arguments can be made, and won, without resorting to death threats, be them direct or obtuse. Your second post could be (and in fact is in one particular portion that I can prove) directed at any number of men and woman in our user base, which we take an even dimmer view of.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:40 am

I just thought, wouldn't this be unconstitutional under Roe v. Wade, Eisenstadt v. Baird by illegalising abortion and birth control pills?

Liriena wrote:Hahahaha...no. But how cute of you, jumping in to defend him, the guy who said he would murder his own wife if she had an abortion.

Because they are women, their deaths dont count. *nod*
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:40 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Liriena wrote:And it will be struck down by the Supreme Court of Kansas in 3...2...1...

Someone has to challenge it in court first.

You probably have to be from Kansas and/or have a ton of lawyerin' money, right?
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:40 am

Spiritwolf wrote:I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

Wow, you're pretty darn talented if you know what if feels like to be a fetus.

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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Imsogone » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:40 am

Othelos wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:If you take a life then you deserve to have your life taken. That's a fact. My point is that we should stop abortion because it is taking lives, even if you dont consider them to be "viable outside of the womb lives" they are still lives nonetheless.

If you're so in favor of life, why would you advocate for taking lives? Contradiction.


He ignores that question consistently. I suspect his cognitive dissonance is pathological and one cannot make him see reason.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:41 am

Imsogone wrote:
Othelos wrote:
If you're so in favor of life, why would you advocate for taking lives? Contradiction.


He ignores that question consistently. I suspect his cognitive dissonance is pathological and one cannot make him see reason.

I suspect he doesn't actually believe what he is saying.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:41 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Someone has to challenge it in court first.

You probably have to be from Kansas and/or have a ton of lawyerin' money, right?

I imagine so.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:42 am

Transnapastain wrote: Ignoring for a moment the fallacy of "A life for a life." as I'm sure someone here latched onto that like a Pitt Bull.


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Postby Transnapastain » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:42 am

Liriena wrote:
Transnapastain wrote: Ignoring for a moment the fallacy of "A life for a life." as I'm sure someone here latched onto that like a Pitt Bull.


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