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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:08 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:That's fine. We can go on with not accepting your input because it does not matter. :)

And we will continue to advocate for it to be illegal. Yay, I'm not a murderous psycho like Spiritwolf, I'm not going to kill a woman when she walks out of an abortion clinic....I might pelt her with eggs though.

You better not be getting chemotherapy or surgery to remove a tumor, you killer of human life you! It has human DNA and is alive and growing inside of you! ACCEPT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR SMOKING CIGARETTES YOU WHOER
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:09 am

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Desperate Measures wrote:Would you at least ask if she were there for an abortion before pelting her?

No, probably not, to be honest. They could lie.

Dick move to begin with and now with more dick.
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Postby Divair » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:09 am

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Zweite Alaje wrote:No, probably not, to be honest. They could lie.

Dick move to begin with and now with more dick.

Dicktacular.

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Postby New Naephak » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:10 am

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Desperate Measures wrote:Dick move to begin with and now with more dick.

Dicktacular.

Now with 20% more dick!

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Postby Agritum » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:10 am

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Could not find direct source. A rape victim's child will probably face a higher rate of abuse than a normal child. IF this is true than:

http://www.safehorizon.org/index/what-w ... s-304.html

According to a National Institute of Justice study, abused and neglected children were 11 times more likely to engage in criminal behavior as teens, are 2.7 times more likely to be arrested for violent and criminal behavior as an adult, and are 3.1 times more likely to be arrested for one of many forms of violent crime.

This literally has fuck all to do with so called "violent genes"


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Postby Imsogone » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:11 am

New Naephak wrote:
Divair wrote:Dicktacular.

Now with 20% more dick!


Positively Dickensian.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:12 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:And we will continue to advocate for it to be illegal. Yay, I'm not a murderous psycho like Spiritwolf, I'm not going to kill a woman when she walks out of an abortion clinic....I might pelt her with eggs though.

You better not be getting chemotherapy or surgery to remove a tumor, you killer of human life you! It has human DNA and is alive and growing inside of you! ACCEPT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR SMOKING CIGARETTES YOU WHOER

I don't get it.

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Divair wrote:Dicktacular.

Now with 20% more dick!

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Postby Divair » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:12 am

New Naephak wrote:
Divair wrote:Dicktacular.

Now with 20% more dick!

For only 19.99?

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:14 am

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Desperate Measures wrote:Would you at least ask if she were there for an abortion before pelting her?

No, probably not, to be honest. They could lie.


Yes, you've definitely got the moral high ground here. Throw an egg at someone who:

A. was planning to have an abortion but decided not to go through with it.
B. doesn't personally believe in abortion but went there to support someone who decided to have an abortion (because you know, love and all that means people can want to help those they care for, even if they don't like abortion)
C. is entirely unrelated who needed to go there, like a cleaner, reporter etc

Clearly you take your resistance plans from PETA.
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Postby New Naephak » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:15 am

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New Naephak wrote:Now with 20% more dick!

For only 19.99?

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Postby Imsogone » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:18 am

Transhuman Proteus wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:No, probably not, to be honest. They could lie.


Yes, you've definitely got the moral high ground here. Throw an egg at someone who:

A. was planning to have an abortion but decided not to go through with it.
B. doesn't personally believe in abortion but went there to support someone who decided to have an abortion (because you know, love and all that means people can want to help those they care for, even if they don't like abortion)
C. is entirely unrelated who needed to go there, like a cleaner, reporter etc

Clearly you take your resistance plans from PETA.


Or even someone who was getting a PAP test, a mammogram or a prenatal checkup because she was unable to afford regular medical care and so called abortion clinics also run women's health clinics for the indigent.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:19 am

Transhuman Proteus wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:No, probably not, to be honest. They could lie.


Yes, you've definitely got the moral high ground here. Throw an egg at someone who:

A. was planning to have an abortion but decided not to go through with it.
B. doesn't personally believe in abortion but went there to support someone who decided to have an abortion (because you know, love and all that means people can want to help those they care for, even if they don't like abortion)
C. is entirely unrelated who needed to go there, like a cleaner, reporter etc

Clearly you take your resistance plans from PETA.


Boo-whoo.

A.) Getting an abortion shouldn't have even been in your thoughts.
B.) You supported an abortion, you are pro-abortion.
C.) You work at an abortion clinic, tough shit.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:20 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:To be honest, I wish my state would pass a law like this. Good thing it could realistically happen here too (I'm from NC). 8)

Absolutely not

We've embarassed ourselves enough, thank you very much.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:21 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:To be honest, I wish my state would pass a law like this. Good thing it could realistically happen here too (I'm from NC). 8)

Absolutely not

We've embarassed ourselves enough, thank you very much.

Absolutely yes. We'd be with North Dakota and Kansas as defenders of morality.
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Postby Spiritwolf » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:24 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:If you take a life then you deserve to have your life taken. That's a fact. My point is that we should stop abortion because it is taking lives, even if you dont consider them to be "viable outside of the womb lives" they are still lives nonetheless. Is it so wrong for me to be an advocate of allowing children to live? Is it really such an imposition on a woman to carry a pregnancy to term so that a child may live? What is intrinsically wrong with being 100% in favor of life?

Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

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Postby Imsogone » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:25 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Absolutely not

We've embarassed ourselves enough, thank you very much.

Absolutely yes. We'd be with North Dakota and Kansas as defenders of morality.


Question for you: given that what you call abortion clinics are also providers of health care for indigent women - providing things like mammograms, PAP tests, prenatal care - and that this is frequently the only source of health care available to these women and this particular form of care actually consitutes more than 90% of the service they give, why would you automatically assume that the woman exiting the building was there on abortion related business?
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:26 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Transhuman Proteus wrote:
Yes, you've definitely got the moral high ground here. Throw an egg at someone who:

A. was planning to have an abortion but decided not to go through with it.
B. doesn't personally believe in abortion but went there to support someone who decided to have an abortion (because you know, love and all that means people can want to help those they care for, even if they don't like abortion)
C. is entirely unrelated who needed to go there, like a cleaner, reporter etc

Clearly you take your resistance plans from PETA.


Boo-whoo.

A.) Getting an abortion shouldn't have even been in your thoughts.
B.) You supported an abortion, you are pro-abortion.
C.) You work at an abortion clinic, tough shit.


Zweite Alaje, ladies and gentlemen, proving it is really him and his side that care about women's rights.

Yep, you're on the side that really cares about woman and their rights. Best way to show that is to victimize them and, you know, upset them. Maybe if you do it loud enough and with enough eggs you'll stress them to miscarriage, thus helping them avoid the need to visit at all. Especially in the case of the first girl I used as an example. I know that latter bit might come as a shock to you, since you're of the opinion anyone going into or out of an abortion clinic couldn't be anything other than some hedonistic party girl having her fifth abortion.

And holy fuck - "getting an abortion shouldn't have even been in your thoughts". I think that more than anything shows how little empathy or understanding you have for women, pregnant woman, or the issue in general. But I guess you did call abortion evil, so every girl or woman who's felt all knotted up in side and thought about it a little or a lot is a little evil in your eyes, whether they went through with it or not. Thank goodness you're not in any kind of power.
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Postby Agritum » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:26 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

Messiah Complex, wow.

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Postby New Naephak » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:26 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

You are in favor of violently ending everyone else's lives, I didn't really read this bit, your name is Spiritwolf and you are Anti-Life.

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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:27 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Absolutely yes. We'd be with North Dakota and Kansas as defenders of morality.

Given the present situation, there's hardly anything moral about banning abortion outright.
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Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:27 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

You're just some guy that when his arguments aren't holding up, resorts to advocating murder. That's all you are.
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Postby Imsogone » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:28 am

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not a fact. No they're not. No, but it's wrong to be violently so. Yes. When you aren't.

You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.


Spiritwolf, you have consistently avoided answering my questions about why a person who has, in almost every post, advocated the bloody demise of anyone who has anything to do with abortion has the audacity to declare himself pro-life. I declare you coward and hypocrite. I invite you to move to an Islamic country where such cognitive dissonance is accepted, nay, embraced.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:29 am

Imsogone wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Absolutely yes. We'd be with North Dakota and Kansas as defenders of morality.


Question for you: given that what you call abortion clinics are also providers of health care for indigent women - providing things like mammograms, PAP tests, prenatal care - and that this is frequently the only source of health care available to these women and this particular form of care actually consitutes more than 90% of the service they give, why would you automatically assume that the woman exiting the building was there on abortion related business?


Since he seems to think anything else done in the building automatically supports abortion then clearly all those non-abortion activities in the same building help abortion as well, so I'd imagine he'd think them fair game.

Or collateral damage in the moral crusade against abortion. He's already said you can't risk asking them because they might lie about there reason for being there.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:29 am

Spiritwolf wrote:You are in favor of violently ending foetus lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion of foetus. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

Fixed words.
1. Abortion can not be murder because it is legal.
2. It is not children, it is foetus.

Oh, and women's bodily sovereignty dictates that your opinion on abortion is worth a exactly diddly squat. Its her body, and therefore she is allowed to tell foetus to exit her body, voluntarily or otherwise. Self defence.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:29 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:You are in favor of violently ending childrens lives. All of you are. Deal with it. I am the only one here who has the absolute will to completely oppose abortion and murdering children. I am the only one here who empathizes with and speaks for those who do not yet have a voice, but who do have a heartbeat and a soul and a spirit. My name is Spiritwolf, and I am Pro-Life.

You're just some guy that when his arguments aren't holding up, resorts to advocating murder. That's all you are.

Based on his view...you are advocating murder.
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