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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:34 pm

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Desperate Measures wrote:Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:35 pm

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Desperate Measures wrote:Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

Obviously not. You're the only one calling on these women to die. Nobody else is. You've said a horrible thing and this pathetic attempt at, I guess, softening your touch? is just so incredibly vapid.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:35 pm

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Desperate Measures wrote:Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

>claims to support culture of life
>openly wants to kill everyone who's ever had anything to do with an abortion

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Postby Imsogone » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:36 pm

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Desperate Measures wrote:Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.


Which is why you want to kill anyone involved in having, giving, condoning abortions. I see....
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:36 pm

As for abortion, it should be legalized until the end of the second trimester UNLESS if it causes medical problems in the third trimester.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:36 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.


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Postby Spiritwolf » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:37 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.

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Postby Luziyca » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:38 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.

Spiritwolf, I can't help but KNOW that Time Cube makes a better defense AGAINST abortion than your statements.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:38 pm

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Frisivisia wrote:Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.

You very obviously support a culture of death. You have advocated for the killing of everyone involved in the medical process with abortions, as well as the gutting of your wife were she to have an abortion.
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Postby Imsogone » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:39 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.


Except that the only argument you have is "kill them all, let God sort them out." I do not understand how you can claim to support a culture of life when you support killing everyone who disagrees with you. Are you from Idaho?
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:39 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.

He echoed your sentiment precisely. Everyone present absolutely does know what you are saying.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:39 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.


Except that the only argument you have is "kill them all, let God sort them out." I do not understand how you can claim to support a culture of life when you support killing everyone who disagrees with youl. Are you from Idaho?

You sensed a perkiness?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:39 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.


Yes...we know that you only appreciate fetuses, and people who are delusional enough to think that fetuses are ethically or biologically equal to a newborn. Everyone who thinks or proposes otherwise deserves to die. Your own words.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:40 pm

Luziyca wrote:As for abortion, it should be legalized until the end of the second trimester UNLESS if it causes medical problems in the third trimester.

Nah, it should be legal all the time for any reason, cuz u know womyn's rites, amirite?
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:40 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Except for murderers, rapists, patients who receive abortions, doctors who perform abortions, nurses who assist with abortions, politicians who want to ensure the right to have an abortion, and security guards who prevent people like you from killing the last four groups. You know, a culture of life.

You and everyone present knows exactly what I am saying. Sarcasm helps no one and is a poor counter-argument. You can do better than that.


We know - you long for a culture of death where those who disagree with your views are executed.

I mean your posts are there for everyone to see.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:41 pm

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Luziyca wrote:As for abortion, it should be legalized until the end of the second trimester UNLESS if it causes medical problems in the third trimester.

Nah, it should be legal all the time for any reason, cuz u know womyn's rites, amirite?

Yes. In fact, I won't rest until you can order a french vanilla abortion at Starbucks.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:42 pm

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Luziyca wrote:As for abortion, it should be legalized until the end of the second trimester UNLESS if it causes medical problems in the third trimester.

Nah, it should be legal all the time for any reason, cuz u know womyn's rites, amirite?

Just because you don't understand women's rights doesn't mean you have project a ridiculously inaccurate picture of what they are.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:43 pm

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Freiheit Reich wrote:I get the idea but I dislike it. It seems hard to think of something as fully human until it pops out of the woman's belly.

Biologically anti-abortion people are right and I am wrong but I still believe the pros of abortion outweigh the cons, especially in cases of rape. A rapist's child is a bad seed and it is likely to become a bad person itself.

I have a feeling God would support this bill though. I believe God would be anti-abortion.

WTF?!?! What would make a rapists child any more likely to be a "bad seed" than anyone else? There are numerous people that come form good families that end up being wacko killers or rapists!!!


"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

The rapist has violent genes in him and will likely pass down these mental problems to his child. Also the child will likely be unwanted and won't grow up with a father which makes it at a higher risk of being bad.
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Imsogone wrote:
Except that the only argument you have is "kill them all, let God sort them out." I do not understand how you can claim to support a culture of life when you support killing everyone who disagrees with youl. Are you from Idaho?

You sensed a perkiness?


Wishful thinking on my part.

I sensed the despair of a person who's backed himself into a corner, can't find his way out and doesn't have a sense of humor to cushion his inevitable crash and burn.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:43 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:WTF?!?! What would make a rapists child any more likely to be a "bad seed" than anyone else? There are numerous people that come form good families that end up being wacko killers or rapists!!!


"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

The rapist has violent genes in him and will likely pass down these mental problems to his child. Also the child will likely be unwanted and won't grow up with a father which makes it at a higher risk of being bad.

Source?
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Postby Imsogone » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:44 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Nah, it should be legal all the time for any reason, cuz u know womyn's rites, amirite?

Yes. In fact, I won't rest until you can order a french vanilla abortion at Starbucks.


Oh, do you suppose I could get a skinny mocha abortion?
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:45 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Nah, it should be legal all the time for any reason, cuz u know womyn's rites, amirite?

Yes. In fact, I won't rest until you can order a french vanilla abortion at Starbucks.

It sounds like something they'd do, actually.

Here goes your abortion milk shake for that "condition" you have. BOTTOMS UP!!!

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Nah, it should be legal all the time for any reason, cuz u know womyn's rites, amirite?

Just because you don't understand women's rights doesn't mean you have project a ridiculously inaccurate picture of what they are.

What inaccurate picture?
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:45 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:WTF?!?! What would make a rapists child any more likely to be a "bad seed" than anyone else? There are numerous people that come form good families that end up being wacko killers or rapists!!!


"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

The rapist has violent genes in him and will likely pass down these mental problems to his child. Also the child will likely be unwanted and won't grow up with a father which makes it at a higher risk of being bad.


Care to provide some extracts from a biology text book, or a journal article, or a... etc etc etc where a scientist says raping is genetic?

And you do know victims of rape can end up in good relationships, right? If someone who was raped, became pregnant and decided to keep the child the chances are still pretty could she might get married one day?
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