Kansas to enact "Life starts at fertilization" abortion law

[Desperate Measures]

I think you either need to start retracting some statements involving murdering people or just take off. All that's up now is us responding to your shock value and there is no substance remaining in your arguments.

The substance of my argument is that even an unborn child in the womb has a right to live. That is my whole point here.

You changed that point utterly and probably irrevocably.

[Frisivisia]

Right conclusion, very wrong reasons.

Its like he's trying to make me cringe in my little boots.

Is there some sort of filter where the pro-lifers see all of our posts like that?

[Ceannairceach]

I think you either need to start retracting some statements involving murdering people or just take off. All that's up now is us responding to your shock value and there is no substance remaining in your arguments.

The substance of my argument is that even an unborn child in the womb has a right to live. That is my whole point here.

There is no constitutional right to life. Try again.

[Liriena]

I think you either need to start retracting some statements involving murdering people or just take off. All that's up now is us responding to your shock value and there is no substance remaining in your arguments.

The substance of my argument is that even an unborn child in the womb has a right to live. That is my whole point here.

Well, you couldn't have made a shittier case.
You lost every single iota of respect you could have had in this thread with your violent, barbaric and inhumane comments.

[San-Silvacian]

If anything life begins when the sperm is made.

Masturbation next murder charge?

[Frisivisia]

The substance of my argument is that even an unborn child in the womb has a right to live. That is my whole point here.

There is no constitutional right to life. Try again.

One could make a case based upon Amendment XIV.

[Zweite Alaje]

I get the idea but I dislike it. It seems hard to think of something as fully human until it pops out of the woman's belly.

Biologically anti-abortion people are right and I am wrong but I still believe the pros of abortion outweigh the cons, especially in cases of rape. A rapist's child is a bad seed and it is likely to become a bad person itself.

I have a feeling God would support this bill though. I believe God would be anti-abortion.

WTF?!?! What would make a rapists child any more likely to be a "bad seed" than anyone else? There are numerous people that come form good families that end up being wacko killers or rapists!!!

[Imsogone]

I get the idea but I dislike it. It seems hard to think of something as fully human until it pops out of the woman's belly.

Biologically anti-abortion people are right and I am wrong but I still believe the pros of abortion outweigh the cons, especially in cases of rape. A rapist's child is a bad seed and it is likely to become a bad person itself.

I have a feeling God would support this bill though. I believe God would be anti-abortion.

Actually, if one takes the Bible literally, God is most likely pro-abortion, since he repeatedly states that life begins with the first breath, not conception.

He also repeatedly kills people, including fetuses. Furthermore, he commands that we strive to be like him.

[Frisivisia]

I get the idea but I dislike it. It seems hard to think of something as fully human until it pops out of the woman's belly.

Biologically anti-abortion people are right and I am wrong but I still believe the pros of abortion outweigh the cons, especially in cases of rape. A rapist's child is a bad seed and it is likely to become a bad person itself.

I have a feeling God would support this bill though. I believe God would be anti-abortion.

WTF?!?! What would make a rapists child any more likely to be a "bad seed" than anyone else? There are numerous people that come form good families that end up being wacko killers or rapists!!!

Crime is genetic, just like gender and thumb-wrestling ability.

[Ceannairceach]

There is no constitutional right to life. Try again.

One could make a case based upon Amendment XIV.

It protects against the removal of life by the state, not by a private entity.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Does it include soldiers?

A soldier on active duty in service to his nation and in uniform who kills an enemy combatant is not guilty of murder. Someone who takes a life in self-defense is not guilty of murder. If someone in the audience had returned fire on that shooter in the movie theater, thereby causing his death, then that is justifiable self-defense and it is not murder.

And a soldier that kills a pregnant woman by accident? You know, collateral damage?

So you're earlier statement is wrong - "anyone who takes a life..." you've just said no, not anyone. Oh, and some woman will be killed by their pregnancies. They'll die. Ergo abortion is self defense. And in plenty of these cases the fetus would die anyway, so you don't get to go "well, save the baby and let her die".

[Spiritwolf]

I've lost count of the women I know personally who use abortion as a method of "birth control". They make no attempt to utilize any form of contraception and they are very active sexually, with MANY partners. They then simply go get an abortion whenever they become pregnant. THAT IS MURDER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Sure you do. Surrrrrre. You're here raging on the internet about how you'd kill your wife if she had an abortion and listing all the people you think should be dead, yet apparently you're such a lovely guy heaps of girls and women have shared such a private thing as that with you, and continue to share with you how much they're using it like birth control. "Oh hey guy who talks about killing people who have had an abortion or provide abortions, I had another abortion today, that's 20 this month!"

Bull. Shit.

The "many women use abortion as birth control" is a myth.

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

[Frisivisia]

Sure you do. Surrrrrre. You're here raging on the internet about how you'd kill your wife if she had an abortion and listing all the people you think should be dead, yet apparently you're such a lovely guy heaps of girls and women have shared such a private thing as that with you, and continue to share with you how much they're using it like birth control. "Oh hey guy who talks about killing people who have had an abortion or provide abortions, I had another abortion today, that's 20 this month!"

Bull. Shit.

The "many women use abortion as birth control" is a myth.

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

Shouldn't you have been busy killing them for being heartless and selfish?

[Liriena]

Sure you do. Surrrrrre. You're here raging on the internet about how you'd kill your wife if she had an abortion and listing all the people you think should be dead, yet apparently you're such a lovely guy heaps of girls and women have shared such a private thing as that with you, and continue to share with you how much they're using it like birth control. "Oh hey guy who talks about killing people who have had an abortion or provide abortions, I had another abortion today, that's 20 this month!"

Bull. Shit.

The "many women use abortion as birth control" is a myth.

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

Well, surprise! Not all women regret it! In fact, a minority does! Which means that some women regretting it is really no reason to ban abortion!
They made a medical choice, and they regretted it! Tough shit! At least they had a fucking choice!

[Desperate Measures]

Sure you do. Surrrrrre. You're here raging on the internet about how you'd kill your wife if she had an abortion and listing all the people you think should be dead, yet apparently you're such a lovely guy heaps of girls and women have shared such a private thing as that with you, and continue to share with you how much they're using it like birth control. "Oh hey guy who talks about killing people who have had an abortion or provide abortions, I had another abortion today, that's 20 this month!"

Bull. Shit.

The "many women use abortion as birth control" is a myth.

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

[Imsogone]

Sure you do. Surrrrrre. You're here raging on the internet about how you'd kill your wife if she had an abortion and listing all the people you think should be dead, yet apparently you're such a lovely guy heaps of girls and women have shared such a private thing as that with you, and continue to share with you how much they're using it like birth control. "Oh hey guy who talks about killing people who have had an abortion or provide abortions, I had another abortion today, that's 20 this month!"

Bull. Shit.

The "many women use abortion as birth control" is a myth.

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

But you'll visit the pain of having a child of rape or incest on a woman. How adorable.

[Spiritwolf]

A soldier on active duty in service to his nation and in uniform who kills an enemy combatant is not guilty of murder. Someone who takes a life in self-defense is not guilty of murder. If someone in the audience had returned fire on that shooter in the movie theater, thereby causing his death, then that is justifiable self-defense and it is not murder.

And a soldier that kills a pregnant woman by accident? You know, collateral damage?

So you're earlier statement is wrong - "anyone who takes a life..." you've just said no, not anyone. Oh, and some woman will be killed by their pregnancies. They'll die. Ergo abortion is self defense. And in plenty of these cases the fetus would die anyway, so you don't get to go "well, save the baby and let her die".

An Air Force officer piloting the Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb and completely obliterated an entire city full of Japanese civilians in a mushroom cloud of fire. That included pregnant women and children and old people...... that included entire families who were vaporized instantly. Many thousands more died slowly from burns and radiation poisoning. That's just war, plain and simple.

[Imsogone]

And a soldier that kills a pregnant woman by accident? You know, collateral damage?

So you're earlier statement is wrong - "anyone who takes a life..." you've just said no, not anyone. Oh, and some woman will be killed by their pregnancies. They'll die. Ergo abortion is self defense. And in plenty of these cases the fetus would die anyway, so you don't get to go "well, save the baby and let her die".

An Air Force officer piloting the Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb and completely obliterated an entire city full of Japanese civilians in a mushroom cloud of fire. That included pregnant women and children and old people...... that included entire families who were vaporized instantly. Many thousands more died slowly from burns and radiation poisoning. That's just war, plain and simple.

And of course, war is just so much better than a horrible, hedonistic, vile woman who has an abortion.

[Frisivisia]

And a soldier that kills a pregnant woman by accident? You know, collateral damage?

So you're earlier statement is wrong - "anyone who takes a life..." you've just said no, not anyone. Oh, and some woman will be killed by their pregnancies. They'll die. Ergo abortion is self defense. And in plenty of these cases the fetus would die anyway, so you don't get to go "well, save the baby and let her die".

An Air Force officer piloting the Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb and completely obliterated an entire city full of Japanese civilians in a mushroom cloud of fire. That included pregnant women and children and old people...... that included entire families who were vaporized instantly. Many thousands more died slowly from burns and radiation poisoning. That's just war, plain and simple.

So abortion would be entirely permissible if we started a War on Fetuses?

[Transhuman Proteus]

Sure you do. Surrrrrre. You're here raging on the internet about how you'd kill your wife if she had an abortion and listing all the people you think should be dead, yet apparently you're such a lovely guy heaps of girls and women have shared such a private thing as that with you, and continue to share with you how much they're using it like birth control. "Oh hey guy who talks about killing people who have had an abortion or provide abortions, I had another abortion today, that's 20 this month!"

Bull. Shit.

The "many women use abortion as birth control" is a myth.

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

Wait, so you can't count to two? I mean it's either you can't count or you're a liar that can't keep their lies straight. Because "I had a heart to heart with two women" is hardly "I've lost count of the women I know personally who use abortion like birth control" unless you can't count.

And, uh, yeah? It can be traumatic, much like having kids can be (ever heard of post natal stress?) What about the women that have abortions who aren't sad like that? And why exactly were these two women talking with someone who wants them dead? And did these two women "use abortion like birth control"?

I get the idea but I dislike it. It seems hard to think of something as fully human until it pops out of the woman's belly.

Biologically anti-abortion people are right and I am wrong but I still believe the pros of abortion outweigh the cons, especially in cases of rape. A rapist's child is a bad seed and it is likely to become a bad person itself.

I have a feeling God would support this bill though. I believe God would be anti-abortion.

Your science is bad and you should feel bad.

[Desperate Measures]

An Air Force officer piloting the Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb and completely obliterated an entire city full of Japanese civilians in a mushroom cloud of fire. That included pregnant women and children and old people...... that included entire families who were vaporized instantly. Many thousands more died slowly from burns and radiation poisoning. That's just war, plain and simple.

So abortion would be entirely permissible if we started a War on Fetuses?

The eggs are innocent. I say we start a war on the invading sperm.

[Spiritwolf]

I have had heart to heart conversations with a couple of women who had abortions and who then later regretted having done so. And I mean full on crying and grieving over it. I could feel their pain and it was a very hurtful thing for them to have to carry. I have no wish to see more women in that anguish.

Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

[Ceannairceach]

An Air Force officer piloting the Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb and completely obliterated an entire city full of Japanese civilians in a mushroom cloud of fire. That included pregnant women and children and old people...... that included entire families who were vaporized instantly. Many thousands more died slowly from burns and radiation poisoning. That's just war, plain and simple.

So abortion would be entirely permissible if we started a War on Fetuses?

You have the power, Joe. We're trusting you to use it.

[Ceannairceach]

Well, yeah. I mean in your world, they'd be dead. You wouldn't have to deal with all that sobbing and emotion.

If we stopped killing the unborn through abortion then no one would die. I believe in a culture of life, not a culture of death.

Great. Then support the living, not the to-be-alive-maybe-hopefully.

[New England and The Maritimes]

An Air Force officer piloting the Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb and completely obliterated an entire city full of Japanese civilians in a mushroom cloud of fire. That included pregnant women and children and old people...... that included entire families who were vaporized instantly. Many thousands more died slowly from burns and radiation poisoning. That's just war, plain and simple.

So abortion would be entirely permissible if we started a War on Fetuses?

No fair. You're violating my right to life by destroying my sides.