Kansas to enact "Life starts at fertilization" abortion law

[Frisivisia]

You seem to have a poor understanding of how analogies work.

So do you.

Wait what? Literally, "I know you are, but what am I". Really. Wow.

[Zweite Alaje]

Cars are designed to be driven not intentionally crashed. While sex may not always lead to pregnancy, the human body is DESIGNED to concieve.

The human body is not designed for anything, and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

Circular logic is circular.

Design doesn't mean anything because design doesn't mean anything, derp.

[Threlizdun]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

[Wisconsin9]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

I agree.

[Frisivisia]

The human body is not designed for anything, and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

Circular logic is circular.

Design doesn't mean anything because design doesn't mean anything, derp.

Did you not actually read my post? I never said that. The human body isn't designed for anything , and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

[Spiritwolf]

If my Wife aborted my child I would gut her like a fish. That's a fact. A life for a life. Carrying a pregnancy to term is a small thing when put in the balance against taking a childs life through an abortion. You make your choice and I will make mine. And I will sleep like a baby with a clear conscience, believe me.

So, you would have a clear conscience if your wife got rid of a tiny, non-conscious creature in her womb and you gutted her like a fish because of it?
You would kill the woman you love because of that?
I hope you don't know that like a third of all implanted zygotes abort naturally.

We have 2 sons. We lost 2 pregnancies to miscarriages that were acts of God. Those were beyond me and my wifes control and we both grieved for the loss. That is far different from a willful abortion.

[Desperate Measures]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

Which one was that again? I'll ignore that one.

[Enadail]

I like how you continue to ignore the point: what you're saying is the embryo has more rights than the woman, including the right to use the woman's body against her wishes.

That childs life is more important than the temporary inconvenience of carrying a pregnancy to term for the woman involved, ABSOLUTELY YES. Her discomfort does not justify taking a childs life.

Temporary inconvenience... discomfort... riiiiiight.

- During birth, many women suffer from vaginal tearing, some of which lead to many continuing and sometimes permanent damage.
- After birth, a woman's hormones are in complete flux, which never actually go back to a stable level.
- During pregnancy, women have an increased chance of vascular damage, and many women are encouraged never to become pregnant because of how dangerous it can be for the mother and child

And this ignores all the fiscal, personal, etc reasoning.

Seriously, sociopathic tendencies and a completely lack of understanding of reality.

[Frisivisia]

So, you would have a clear conscience if your wife got rid of a tiny, non-conscious creature in her womb and you gutted her like a fish because of it?
You would kill the woman you love because of that?
I hope you don't know that like a third of all implanted zygotes abort naturally.

We have 2 sons. We lost 2 pregnancies to miscarriages that were acts of God. Those were beyond me and my wifes control and we both grieved for the loss. That is far different from a willful abortion.

If abortion is murder, that was involuntary manslaughter. Off to jail with the both of you.

[Enadail]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

I'm good with that. How do I add someone to that block list I hear so much of?

[Zweite Alaje]

Cars are designed to be driven not intentionally crashed. While sex may not always lead to pregnancy, the human body is DESIGNED to concieve.

The human body has no design. And actually, cars are designed to crash. Its actually a pretty big part of their design process: aerodynamics and impact dynamics.

Humanity was designed by evolution.

Aerodynamics has nothing to do with crashing, it reduces drag for increased fuel economy.

Impact dynamic, of course designed to protect you IF you crash, not FOR you to crash. The human body has reproductive organs designed for reproduction.

[Ainin]

You choked on something while eating dinner. You consented to risk, no Heimlich for you.

I like how all these metaphors for Pregnancy are negative and lifethreatening, even though most abortions have nothing to do with the womans life beign at risk.

You touch snow, therefore you consent to getting hypothermia. No heating for you.
You ride a bike, therefore you consent to broken legs. No ambulance for you.

[Tlaceceyaya]

So, you would have a clear conscience if your wife got rid of a tiny, non-conscious creature in her womb and you gutted her like a fish because of it?
You would kill the woman you love because of that?
I hope you don't know that like a third of all implanted zygotes abort naturally.

We have 2 sons. We lost 2 pregnancies to miscarriages that were acts of God. Those were beyond me and my wifes control and we both grieved for the loss. That is far different from a willful abortion.

I'm talking about zygotes, and possibly early embryos, not fetuses.
Did you grieve for them? There have probably been quite a lot more of them than there have been miscarriages.

[Spiritwolf]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

Choose not to kill children in the womb. Choose to value life for ALL people. That is all i am saying here, and yes, i am saying it with absolute conviction.

[Liriena]

No, you are saying an embryo/fetus has greater rights than a woman, since it gets to occupy her body, even against her wishes, for 9 or so months. Ergo right to life trumps your right to decide what happens to your body. Ergo your organs should be mine if I need them, correct?

And I can only assume you are a man (or a boy, with those kinds of arguments). Yes, pregnancy is totally a walk in a park. "Pffft, it's not that big a hassle, if you don't want it just have it and give it away. Easy!" May I esquire as to how many babies you are planning on adopting? Or do you stop caring about their previous life once they are born. I mean clearly you are pretty ignorant to the adoption situation in a lot of place. You do know not every kid is adopted, right? And what about disabled children? Many of them aren't either.

If my Wife aborted my child I would gut her like a fish. That's a fact. A life for a life. Carrying a pregnancy to term is a small thing when put in the balance against taking a childs life through an abortion. You make your choice and I will make mine. And I will sleep like a baby with a clear conscience, believe me.

Now...THAT is not kosher.

[Wisconsin9]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

Choose not to kill children in the womb. Choose to value life for ALL people. That is all i am saying here, and yes, i am saying it with absolute conviction.

Not children and not people. Jesus Christ, guys, there's this thing called a "dictionary" that really helps when you try to define words.

[Zweite Alaje]

Circular logic is circular.

Design doesn't mean anything because design doesn't mean anything, derp.

Did you not actually read my post? I never said that. The human body isn't designed for anything , and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

Ok, it's still the same as saying "It doesn't matter, but even if it did, it doesn't matter".

[Frisivisia]

The human body has no design. And actually, cars are designed to crash. Its actually a pretty big part of their design process: aerodynamics and impact dynamics.

Humanity was designed by evolution.

Aerodynamics has nothing to do with crashing, it reduces drag for increased fuel economy.

Impact dynamic, of course designed to protect you IF you crash, not FOR you to crash. The human body has reproductive organs designed for reproduction.

Design implies thought and deliberation. Evolution has neither of these.

[Wisconsin9]

Did you not actually read my post? I never said that. The human body isn't designed for anything , and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

Ok, it's still the same as saying "It doesn't matter, but even if it did, it doesn't matter".

More like "it doesn't matter, but even if it did, you're still wrong".

[Threlizdun]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

I'm good with that. How do I add someone to that block list I hear so much of?

Click on the name underneath their flag. This will direct you to their profile page. From there, click "add foe".

[Frisivisia]

Did you not actually read my post? I never said that. The human body isn't designed for anything , and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

Ok, it's still the same as saying "It doesn't matter, but even if it did, it doesn't matter".

No, it's the same as saying "It isn't, but even if it was, it wouldn't matter.".

[Zweite Alaje]

No, you are saying an embryo/fetus has greater rights than a woman, since it gets to occupy her body, even against her wishes, for 9 or so months. Ergo right to life trumps your right to decide what happens to your body. Ergo your organs should be mine if I need them, correct?

And I can only assume you are a man (or a boy, with those kinds of arguments). Yes, pregnancy is totally a walk in a park. "Pffft, it's not that big a hassle, if you don't want it just have it and give it away. Easy!" May I esquire as to how many babies you are planning on adopting? Or do you stop caring about their previous life once they are born. I mean clearly you are pretty ignorant to the adoption situation in a lot of place. You do know not every kid is adopted, right? And what about disabled children? Many of them aren't either.

If my Wife aborted my child I would gut her like a fish. That's a fact. A life for a life. Carrying a pregnancy to term is a small thing when put in the balance against taking a childs life through an abortion. You make your choice and I will make mine. And I will sleep like a baby with a clear conscience, believe me.

Dude, wtf? The most I'd do is divorce her.

[Ainin]

Did you not actually read my post? I never said that. The human body isn't designed for anything , and even so, design doesn't mean anything.

Ok, it's still the same as saying "It doesn't matter, but even if it did, it doesn't matter".

No, it's more like saying "pizzas are made to be eaten. Even if they weren't, they are still edible."
Which makes perfect sense.

[Liriena]

Can we perhaps agree not to respond to the person who just admitted they would murder their wife over this issue? There are times when we need to just step back, observe the situation, and realize that no rational debate can be held. Nothing good will come from continued conversation with this person.

Choose not to kill children in the womb. Choose to value life for ALL people. That is all i am saying here, and yes, i am saying it with absolute conviction.

Yet your previous statements consistently prove that you don't value life at all. You may have a fetish for fetuses, but have no respect whatsoever for the life of women, if you are willing to murder them for something that is only ambiguously "immoral" according to hard cold logic.

[Zweite Alaje]

Humanity was designed by evolution.

Aerodynamics has nothing to do with crashing, it reduces drag for increased fuel economy.

Impact dynamic, of course designed to protect you IF you crash, not FOR you to crash. The human body has reproductive organs designed for reproduction.

Design implies thought and deliberation. Evolution has neither of these.

Design can be active or passive.