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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:14 am

Alyekra wrote:Actually, it should be there.

That's where the Fetus belongs at it's stage of development.


The woman didn't want it inside her, so it shouldn't.

Alyekra wrote:Also, it's not the fetus's fault that it's there.


That is not even remotely my problem. Yours, either.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:14 am

Alyekra wrote:
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Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.



For you. Not for anyone who believes that "innocent" shouldn't be there in the first place.


Actually, it should be there.

That's where the Fetus belongs at it's stage of development.

It "belonging" there is contingent on the woman in question allowing it to be there. It's her body, after all.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:15 am

Alyekra wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.



For you. Not for anyone who believes that "innocent" shouldn't be there in the first place.


Actually, it should be there.

That's where the Fetus belongs at it's stage of development.

Also, it's not the fetus's fault that it's there.

Fault doesn't matter.

The blame game doesn't work here.
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Postby United States of Peace » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:16 am

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Being human is the reason we are here, the reason we are the apex species of this world. Without first being human you can't later have sapience.



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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:16 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Out of context much.....

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions.


Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

Zweite Alaje wrote:And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.


For you. Not for anyone who believes that "innocent" shouldn't be there in the first place.

It is consent to the possiblity of pregnancy, once you are pregnant you should be obliged to go to term.

It wasn't there of its own accord, the parents are the one who placed it there. Creating a new life, they now should be obligated to nurture it.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:17 am

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Chapter?

Ultramarine.

Cadwgania wrote:Prepare for an influx of dead mothers and babies.

So if they die, is the government at fault?


No. Because they'll claim that they were following the law.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:17 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:It is consent to the possiblity of pregnancy, once you are pregnant you should be obliged to go to term.


By getting out of my house I am consenting to the possiblity of getting ran over or shot. I should be allowed to die.

Zweite Alaje wrote:It wasn't there of its own accord, the parents are the one who placed it there. Creating a new life, that now should be obligated to nurture it.


Not if they don't want it.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:17 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Chapter?

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:18 am

United States of Peace wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Being human is the reason we are here, the reason we are the apex species of this world. Without first being human you can't later have sapience.



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Sitting on top, is the only thing that matters.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:18 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Sitting on top, is the only thing that matters.


On top of what?

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:19 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.



For you. Not for anyone who believes that "innocent" shouldn't be there in the first place.

It is consent to the possiblity of pregnancy, once you are pregnant you should be obliged to go to term.

Just like how if you consent to sex, you have to go through with it, and can't change your mind half way. Sounds like rape apologetics to me.

It wasn't there of its own accord, the parents are the one who placed it there. Creating a new life, they now should be obligated to nurture it.

Opposing adoption now too?

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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:19 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
United States of Peace wrote:
Sitting on top of a pyramid of shit does not make you smell any better.

Sitting on top, is the only thing that matters.


So fucking edgy.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:20 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
United States of Peace wrote:
Sitting on top of a pyramid of shit does not make you smell any better.

Sitting on top, is the only thing that matters.

Humans don't sit on top of anything. There is no hierarchy of life.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:20 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Sitting on top, is the only thing that matters.


On top of what?

The magical perceived power humans have. See, Alaje forfeits his mind to the utterly ridiculous notion that humanity is somehow a special little snowflake.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:20 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:It is consent to the possiblity of pregnancy, once you are pregnant you should be obliged to go to term.


By getting out of my house I am consenting to the possiblity of getting ran over or shot. I should be allowed to die.

Zweite Alaje wrote:It wasn't there of its own accord, the parents are the one who placed it there. Creating a new life, that now should be obligated to nurture it.


Not if they don't want it.

Bad argument. Neither of those has to do with creating another lifeform.

Irrelevant. A parents wants are secondary.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Sitting on top, is the only thing that matters.

Humans don't sit on top of anything. There is no hierarchy of life.

Apex Predator.

Just saiya-jin.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:21 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Bad argument. Neither of those has to do with creating another lifeform.


But they have to do with possibilities, which was my point. And therefore a right on cue argument.

Zweite Alaje wrote:Irrelevant. A parents wants are secondary.


No, they are not. So says Roe vs. Wade.
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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:21 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
By getting out of my house I am consenting to the possiblity of getting ran over or shot. I should be allowed to die.



Not if they don't want it.

Bad argument. Neither of those has to do with creating another lifeform.

Irrelevant. A parents wants are secondary.


Maximum lel.

Life is not valuable. It's a series of chemical reactions that repeat themselves and form new chemical reactions.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:21 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Humans don't sit on top of anything. There is no hierarchy of life.

Apex Predator.

Just saiya-jin.

There are many apex predators.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:22 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Bad argument. Neither of those has to do with creating another lifeform.


But they have to do with possibilities, which was my point.

Zweite Alaje wrote:Irrelevant. A parents wants are secondary.


No, they are not. So says Roe vs. Wade.

Isn't RvW not even the current "law of the land" with regards to abortion?

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Apex Predator.

Just saiya-jin.

There are many apex predators.


But this one is mine. Without me, my apex predator is nothing. Without my apex predator, I am nothing.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:22 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Humans don't sit on top of anything. There is no hierarchy of life.

Apex Predator.

Just saiya-jin.

When our survival depends entirely on a handful of species of insects, we can't really call ourselves apex anything. Primarily herbivorous species of squishy bellied, not-all-that-intelligent hairless apes, more focused on pretending they are important than surviving.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:23 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Apex Predator.

Just saiya-jin.

When our survival depends entirely on a handful of species of insects, we can't really call ourselves apex anything. Primarily herbivorous species of squishy bellied, not-all-that-intelligent hairless apes, more focused on pretending they are important than surviving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_predator

No seriously, this is a thing. Apex = "At the top".

Promise.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:23 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
But they have to do with possibilities, which was my point.



No, they are not. So says Roe vs. Wade.

Isn't RvW not even the current "law of the land" with regards to abortion?

I'm given to understand there have been more cases since that generally affirm and strengthen the position that abortions are things you're totally allowed to have, but I can't say I know their names off hand.

Ifreann wrote:There are many apex predators.


But this one is mine. Without me, my apex predator is nothing. Without my apex predator, I am nothing.

Maker sure to give your apex predator a girls name.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:24 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Isn't RvW not even the current "law of the land" with regards to abortion?


A Supreme Court precedent that hasn't been changed, which States have several trigger legislation waiting for it to be overturned, sounds rather appliable to me.

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