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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:01 am

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That's fucking retarded.

Sapience is a result of our neurological make-up, but that doesn't mean that sapience in inherently unique to the specific order of amino-acids and proteins that construct human life in particular.

If a goldfish was a sapient life form, I would consider it my equal in every respect.


I wouldn't. Non-human life is inferior and always will be because our DNA, our species, is where our sapience spawns from.


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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
I wouldn't. Non-human life is inferior and always will be because our DNA, our species, is where our sapience spawns from.

Sapient non-human life. What now?

We burn the xeno scum.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:02 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.


Yes, they should, if they don't want it inside them.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:03 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
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Are women not human?

They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.

So women shouldn't be allowed to use force to defend themselves, according to you. Man, so much disdain.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:03 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sapient non-human life. What now?

We burn the xeno scum.


We burn the heretics. We purge the xeno scum.

Little difference, yes, but that's how the chanting goes.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:03 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
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Are women not human?

They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.

Yes they should. Again, being human doesn't matter.

And don't you dare fucking mention the word liberal. This view has nothing to do with liberalism.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:04 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:We burn the xeno scum.


We burn the heretics. We purge the xeno scum.

Little difference, yes, but that's how the chanting goes.

Sorry, still getting the hang of it. Newly selected, still reading the Codex.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:04 am

Alowwvia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
I wouldn't. Non-human life is inferior and always will be because our DNA, our species, is where our sapience spawns from.


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Yes, exactly.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.


Yes, they should, if they don't want it inside them.

That is pure selfishness.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:04 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Sorry, still getting the hang of it. Newly selected, still reading the Codex.


Chapter?

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:04 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
We burn the heretics. We purge the xeno scum.

Little difference, yes, but that's how the chanting goes.

Sorry, still getting the hang of it. Newly selected, still reading the Codex.

Oh god, more of you guys? As if the imperium didn't have enough fanboys already.
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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:05 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Alowwvia wrote:
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Yes, exactly.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Yes, they should, if they don't want it inside them.

That is pure selfishness.


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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:05 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
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Yes, they should, if they don't want it inside them.

That is pure selfishness.

So is breathing.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:05 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:That is pure selfishness.


Since when does your body belong to other than yourself?

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:05 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Alowwvia wrote:
SIEG HEIL

Yes, exactly.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Yes, they should, if they don't want it inside them.

That is pure selfishness.

Selfishness or not, it's taking a responsibility. I'll let you in on a little secret. Selfishness is not an inherent evil.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:06 am

Condunum wrote:Oh god, more of you guys? As if the imperium didn't have enough fanboys already.


The Warhammer thread shows just how many people chose the Imperium over the Tau.

More Guardsmen than Space Marines, though. :(

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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:07 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Condunum wrote:Oh god, more of you guys? As if the imperium didn't have enough fanboys already.


The Warhammer thread shows just how many people chose the Imperium over the Tau.

More Guardsmen than Space Marines, though. :(

That's because more and more people are realizing how absolutely ridiculous the space marines are. At least the IG are a respectable force. The Space Marines are just bloodthirsty hounds. And the only chapter I've ever respected, the Ultramarines, were ruined by Matt Ward.
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Postby Cadwgania » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:07 am

Prepare for an influx of dead mothers and babies.

So if they die, is the government at fault?

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:08 am

Cadwgania wrote:Prepare for an influx of dead mothers and babies.

So if they die, is the government at fault?

They won't die, because someone will challenge this law and some federal court will strike it down.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.

So women shouldn't be allowed to use force to defend themselves, according to you. Man, so much disdain.

:palm:

Out of context much.....

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions. And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.

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Zweite Alaje wrote:They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.

Yes they should. Again, being human doesn't matter.

And don't you dare fucking mention the word liberal. This view has nothing to do with liberalism.


Being human is the reason we are here, the reason we are the apex species of this world. Without first being human you can't later have sapience.

Pro-choice is a liberal position. ;)
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Postby Alyekra » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:10 am

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Postby Alowwvia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:10 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So women shouldn't be allowed to use force to defend themselves, according to you. Man, so much disdain.

:palm:

Out of context much.....

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions. And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.

Condunum wrote:Yes they should. Again, being human doesn't matter.

And don't you dare fucking mention the word liberal. This view has nothing to do with liberalism.


Being human is the reason we are here, the reason we are the apex species of this world. Without first being human you can't later have sapience.

Pro-choice is a liberal position. ;)


Holy National Socialism Batman.

Human DNA is not a fucking badge of metaphysical importance or superiority, for fuck's sake.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:11 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Out of context much.....

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions.


Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

Zweite Alaje wrote:And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.


For you. Not for anyone who believes that "innocent" shouldn't be there in the first place.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:13 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So women shouldn't be allowed to use force to defend themselves, according to you. Man, so much disdain.

:palm:

Out of context much.....

I really can't take your words out of context by quoting them with a link back to the post you made.

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions.

They are defending their right to bodily sovereignty and doing so in a perfectly responsible manner.
And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.

An embryo or foetus inside another person's body without permission isn't "an innocent".

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Postby Alyekra » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:13 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Out of context much.....

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions.


Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

Zweite Alaje wrote:And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.


For you. Not for anyone who believes that "innocent" shouldn't be there in the first place.


Actually, it should be there.

That's where the Fetus belongs at it's stage of development.

Also, it's not the fetus's fault that it's there.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:14 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So women shouldn't be allowed to use force to defend themselves, according to you. Man, so much disdain.

:palm:

Out of context much.....

They aren't defending themselves against anything other then taking responsiblity for their actions. And even in the case of rape, being willing to destroy an innocent simply for your own convience is sickening.

Condunum wrote:Yes they should. Again, being human doesn't matter.

And don't you dare fucking mention the word liberal. This view has nothing to do with liberalism.


Being human is the reason we are here, the reason we are the apex species of this world. Without first being human you can't later have sapience.

Pro-choice is a liberal position. ;)

The Pro-Choice position has nothing to do with that position, though. I can't quite remember, but it's something like moral nihilism.

And all you said? Yeah, that's just a subjective world view you have. And the last statement is patently false. A species can achieve sapience without being human.
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