Kansas to enact "Life starts at fertilization" abortion law

[The Emerald Dawn]

What has Kansas contributed to society aside from being the place where Dorothy comes from

nuke kansas

Eisenhower.
Buster Keaton.
Amelia Earhart.
Coleman.

Okay, now this is bugging me.

We don't prosecute SID do we? We don't prosecute when a kid dies from flu, do we?

Did you notice your examples involve people who were born?

There have been trials for negligence of such deaths.

I would not put it past the God Squad to want examination of miscarriage claims as how do you prove it wasn't intentional?

We toss her in a river. If she floats, it was a forced miscarriage.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Analogies don't work for this. It'd be more accurate to say someone decides they want to build a house inside of your vagina and you don't get to say "No, thanks."

Saying "No thanks" to unprotected sex (which could potentially result in impregnation) is something responsible you could do.

Except this is a rapist's logic. Saying yes to one thing OBVIOUSLY means saying yes to another, amirite? Going out to dinner with me OBVIOUSLY means you consent too having sex with me, which OBVIOUSLY means you consent to having a baby. I don't care what your opinion is, I just know that's what you consented to, because I get to decide that in topsy turvy rapist-and-anti-choice-land.

[Zweite Alaje]

Wrong. I never said that I was religious. Even so, how does that prove your "point"?

I really can't see any non-religious moral that says abortion is wrong, if so, say I'm a Secular Humanist and I am against abortion, it's my own view of it, but I stand directly against everything Secular Humanism stands for, that is, freedom to choose what to do with my life and my body without gods.
If my girlfriend keeps an embryo, she keeps it, if she doesn't want to, she should have the right to do so.

Also, denying someone else a basic right, getting an abortion, even morally questionable, is nothing more than opression and/or tyranny through religion, or a personal view, if anyone fails to see that, that person is willfully ignorant.

How is abortion (killing a human) a basic right? Being "against" abortion and being willing to allow it to happen is pointless. You may as well be pro-abortion since you aren't willing to stop it.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I really can't see any non-religious moral that says abortion is wrong, if so, say I'm a Secular Humanist and I am against abortion, it's my own view of it, but I stand directly against everything Secular Humanism stands for, that is, freedom to choose what to do with my life and my body without gods.
If my girlfriend keeps an embryo, she keeps it, if she doesn't want to, she should have the right to do so.

Also, denying someone else a basic right, getting an abortion, even morally questionable, is nothing more than opression and/or tyranny through religion, or a personal view, if anyone fails to see that, that person is willfully ignorant.

How is abortion (killing a human) a basic right? Being "against" abortion and being willing to allow it to happen is pointless. You may as well be pro-abortion since you aren't willing to stop it.

Because the Unitologists say it is.

[Alowwvia]

I really can't see any non-religious moral that says abortion is wrong, if so, say I'm a Secular Humanist and I am against abortion, it's my own view of it, but I stand directly against everything Secular Humanism stands for, that is, freedom to choose what to do with my life and my body without gods.
If my girlfriend keeps an embryo, she keeps it, if she doesn't want to, she should have the right to do so.

Also, denying someone else a basic right, getting an abortion, even morally questionable, is nothing more than opression and/or tyranny through religion, or a personal view, if anyone fails to see that, that person is willfully ignorant.

How is abortion (killing a human) a basic right? Being "against" abortion and being willing to allow it to happen is pointless. You may as well be pro-abortion since you aren't willing to stop it.

Because being human is pointless, but being sapient isn't. We've been over this.

[Zweite Alaje]

How is abortion (killing a human) a basic right? Being "against" abortion and being willing to allow it to happen is pointless. You may as well be pro-abortion since you aren't willing to stop it.

Because being human is pointless, but being sapient isn't. We've been over this.

No, it isn't pointless. That is a defeatist liberal view.

If one has no respect for human life, how can you be supportive of our laws that defend our right to existance? Why shouldn't one person be able to kill somebody at will?

[Alowwvia]

Because being human is pointless, but being sapient isn't. We've been over this.

No, it isn't pointless. That is a defeatist liberal view.

If one has no respect for human life, how can you be supportive of our laws that defend our right to existance? Why shouldn't one person be able to kill somebody at will?

Because they are sapient, with their own thoughts, experiences, will, ideologies, ecetera. The specific sequence of amino acids and proteins that manufacturers this result is irrelevant, it's the result (sapience) that matters and is worth protecting.

[Ifreann]

I really can't see any non-religious moral that says abortion is wrong, if so, say I'm a Secular Humanist and I am against abortion, it's my own view of it, but I stand directly against everything Secular Humanism stands for, that is, freedom to choose what to do with my life and my body without gods.
If my girlfriend keeps an embryo, she keeps it, if she doesn't want to, she should have the right to do so.

Also, denying someone else a basic right, getting an abortion, even morally questionable, is nothing more than opression and/or tyranny through religion, or a personal view, if anyone fails to see that, that person is willfully ignorant.

How is abortion (killing a human) a basic right?...

Because people generally agree it is. That's how rights work.

[Zweite Alaje]

No, it isn't pointless. That is a defeatist liberal view.

If one has no respect for human life, how can you be supportive of our laws that defend our right to existance? Why shouldn't one person be able to kill somebody at will?

Because they are sapient, with their own thoughts, experiences, will, ideologies, ecetera. The specific sequence of amino acids and proteins that manufacturers this result is irrelevant, it's the result (sapience) that matters and is worth protecting.

Who gives a shit, they're humans it is pointless to be human. You can't dismiss the source, our sapience comes from our makeup. Sapience means nothing if it has nothing to create it.

[Republica Newland]

I consider myself to be largely atheistic. All of my opinions and views are based on nothing but freethought. Just something to bear in mind before reading this.

Poverty,rape and "unwantedness" are not considered viable justifications for killing a human being after birth,so why should they be considered as such before?

I'd rather people just used "early-stage" contraception such as condoms,pills,and what have you.

Just my personal moral standpoint,I'm not implying anything along the lines of "what should or should not be law?" here.

Question: Are you comfortable with hundreds, if not thousands of lower-class women dying from back-alley abortions?

No,and I'd rather people that can't afford children didn't have them. I'd probably put in awareness programs + maybe giving out free condoms or something.

[Alowwvia]

Because they are sapient, with their own thoughts, experiences, will, ideologies, ecetera. The specific sequence of amino acids and proteins that manufacturers this result is irrelevant, it's the result (sapience) that matters and is worth protecting.

Who gives a shit, they're humans it is pointless to be human. You can't dismiss the source, our sapience comes from our makeup. Sapience means nothing if it has nothing to create.

Yet Sapience, as we know it, is the only thing that might truly have meaning, because it is the only thing that can give or assign meaning to things. If you weren't sapient, you wouldn't give a shit about abortion rights because you wouldn't be so sentimental. Sentimentality is a result of our sapience, which perceives different concepts and ideas as have different meanings. It's why there is no objective morality, and 'Cognito ergo sum' is a thing.

Our sapience is a result of our physical make-up, yes, but there's no reason for the make-up to be considered as important as the end result, which is a process of thoughts and reactions to stimuli which make up our fundamental human experience. When you bake a cake, you don't admire and eat the oven and the baking pan as well.

[Samuraikoku]

Being "against" abortion and being willing to allow it to happen is pointless. You may as well be pro-abortion since you aren't willing to stop it.

... He said after saying he'd rather egg women who had an abortion than vote Republican.

[Immoren]

Question: Are you comfortable with hundreds, if not thousands of lower-class women dying from back-alley abortions?

No,and I'd rather people that can't afford children didn't have them. I'd probably put in awareness programs + maybe giving out free condoms or something.

Aaand that solves everything, bravo good sir.

[Ifreann]

Question: Are you comfortable with hundreds, if not thousands of lower-class women dying from back-alley abortions?

No,and I'd rather people that can't afford children didn't have them. I'd probably put in awareness programs + maybe giving out free condoms or something.

I'd rather people have the right to control their own bodies.

[Zweite Alaje]

Being "against" abortion and being willing to allow it to happen is pointless. You may as well be pro-abortion since you aren't willing to stop it.

... He said after saying he'd rather egg women who had an abortion than vote Republican.

There are non-republican candidates that are anti-abortion.



@Alowwvia
Sapience is important only because it comes from our genetic make up. If you have disdain for humans themselves, it doesn't matter it there is sapience or not.

[Ifreann]

... He said after saying he'd rather egg women who had an abortion than vote Republican.

There are non-republican candidates that are anti-abortion.

Sapience is important only because it comes from our genetic make up. If you have disdain for humans themselves, it doesn't matter it there is sapience or not.

Disdain for humans themselves like not having any regard for whether women want to remain pregnant?

[Alowwvia]

... He said after saying he'd rather egg women who had an abortion than vote Republican.

There are non-republican candidates that are anti-abortion.

Sapience is important only because it comes from our genetic make up. If you have disdain for humans themselves, it doesn't matter it there is sapience or not.

That's fucking retarded.

Sapience is a result of our neurological make-up, but that doesn't mean that sapience in inherently unique to the specific order of amino-acids and proteins that construct human life in particular.

If a goldfish was a sapient life form, I would consider it my equal in every respect.

[Zweite Alaje]

There are non-republican candidates that are anti-abortion.

Sapience is important only because it comes from our genetic make up. If you have disdain for humans themselves, it doesn't matter it there is sapience or not.

Disdain for humans themselves like not having any regard for whether women want to remain pregnant?

Wut?

[Samuraikoku]

There are non-republican candidates that are anti-abortion.

Vote and effort wasted.

[Samuraikoku]

Disdain for humans themselves like not having any regard for whether women want to remain pregnant?

Wut?

Are women not human?

[Zweite Alaje]

There are non-republican candidates that are anti-abortion.

Sapience is important only because it comes from our genetic make up. If you have disdain for humans themselves, it doesn't matter it there is sapience or not.

That's fucking retarded.

Sapience is a result of our neurological make-up, but that doesn't mean that sapience in inherently unique to the specific order of amino-acids and proteins that construct human life in particular.

If a goldfish was a sapient life form, I would consider it my equal in every respect.

I wouldn't. Non-human life is inferior and always will be because our DNA, our species, is where our sapience spawns from.

[Ifreann]

Disdain for humans themselves like not having any regard for whether women want to remain pregnant?

Wut?

I'm suggesting that you have disdain for humans, in that you give no regard to the rights of about half of them.

[Ifreann]

That's fucking retarded.

Sapience is a result of our neurological make-up, but that doesn't mean that sapience in inherently unique to the specific order of amino-acids and proteins that construct human life in particular.

If a goldfish was a sapient life form, I would consider it my equal in every respect.

I wouldn't. Non-human life is inferior and always will be because our DNA, our species, is where our sapience spawns from.

Sapient non-human life. What now?

[Samuraikoku]

Sapient non-human life. What now?

*Grins wickedly*

[Zweite Alaje]

Wut?

Are women not human?

They are, but they shouldn't have the right to eliminate another human.