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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:17 am

Ajzland wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:why do you hate infertile couples?


I don't know how to respond to such an ignorant comment so whatever, and I have one thing to ask you guys how many futures of innocent children are you willing to take away? And i am taking care of them by supporting their right to life.

so its a good thing to force the birth of unwanted children and block the birth of desperately wanted children.

that's pretty cruel.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:42 am

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Maybe I should have been more accurate: fetuses are not PEOPLE. They are lumps of parasitic cells that may or may not become actual PEOPLE somewhere in the future.

Thge fact is that when the sperm meets the ovum, the two combine and become a living organism, which is a human child in it's earliest state of development.

You got everything right up until "which is a human child in it's earliest state of development". It's not a human child. It's a potential human child.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:45 am

Hathradic States wrote:
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By that logic, the state should force everyone to reproduce, regardless of whether they want to have children at that time or any other time, and regardless of their sexual orientation, or mental or physical health.

1) And by your logic I should be able to shoot anybody who bugs me, as they harm my mental health.


"Respect to life" is a very vague statement. Taking into account how debatable the humanity (let alone the personhood) of a fetus is, your "respect to life" could encompass all living creatures, including cattle, crops and vermin.

2) Fine then. Respect to human life.


1) No. Because you would be committing murder against a fellow person. A fetus is not a person.

2) If by "human life" you mean any lump of cells with human DNA, then you should be campaigning against a cure for cancer, against masturbation, against menstruation, and probably against waxing and plucking of body and facial hair.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:46 am

GarryOwen wrote:Good.

Only 49 more states to go! :)

oops!
"Kansas will become the eighth state declaring that life begins at fertilization"

Only 42 more states to go! :)


also:
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Its pretty obvious that I dont care what you people think or say about me. Doesnt change the truth about unique DNA. :)


:roll: "Unique DNA"?
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Postby Dilange » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:47 am

How long before a state says that life begins when the sperm and egg cells are formed?

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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:47 am

Absurdity wrote:Most excellent. The children shall LIVE.

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You honor your nation's name with that statement...and the picspam.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:48 am

Dilange wrote:How long before a state says that life begins when the sperm and egg cells are formed?


Some states are looking towards banning oral and anal intercourse so...two years. Past that point, the fetus-fetishists will probably implode.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:49 am

People of Kanas, North Dakota, Mississippi, if you want to change Constitutional law please please please use the amendment process.
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Postby Transnapastain » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:50 am

Liriena wrote:
Dilange wrote:How long before a state says that life begins when the sperm and egg cells are formed?


Some states are looking towards banning oral and anal intercourse so...two years. Past that point, the fetus-fetishists will probably implode.


Could have sworn laws banning said practices were already on the booksin many places.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:50 am

greed and death wrote:People of Kanas, North Dakota, Mississippi, if you want to change Constitutional law please please please use the amendment process.

NUUUUU! Fuck the Constitution! Unless it's convenient to defend it, of course.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:51 am

Republica Newland wrote:I consider myself to be largely atheistic. All of my opinions and views are based on nothing but freethought. Just something to bear in mind before reading this.

Poverty,rape and "unwantedness" are not considered viable justifications for killing a human being after birth,so why should they be considered as such before?

I'd rather people just used "early-stage" contraception such as condoms,pills,and what have you.

Just my personal moral standpoint,I'm not implying anything along the lines of "what should or should not be law?" here.


Question: Are you comfortable with hundreds, if not thousands of lower-class women dying from back-alley abortions?
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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:52 am

Transnapastain wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Some states are looking towards banning oral and anal intercourse so...two years. Past that point, the fetus-fetishists will probably implode.


Could have sworn laws banning said practices were already on the booksin many places.

They were...then Lawrence v. Texas happened.

Sadly, it seems that, despite the birth of the internet, lots of people still haven't got the memo.
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Postby Dilange » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:54 am

Liriena wrote:
Dilange wrote:How long before a state says that life begins when the sperm and egg cells are formed?


Some states are looking towards banning oral and anal intercourse so...two years. Past that point, the fetus-fetishists will probably implode.


A child's life begins at each parents' puberty?

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Postby Liriena » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:56 am

Dilange wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Some states are looking towards banning oral and anal intercourse so...two years. Past that point, the fetus-fetishists will probably implode.


A child's life begins at each parents' puberty?


Well...duh!

Why do you think so many red states teach "abstinence only" sex-ed?
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Postby Immoren » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:57 am

Oh for Ishtar's sake!

Dilange wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Some states are looking towards banning oral and anal intercourse so...two years. Past that point, the fetus-fetishists will probably implode.


A child's life begins at each parents' puberty?


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Postby Transnapastain » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:58 am

Liriena wrote:
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Could have sworn laws banning said practices were already on the booksin many places.

They were...then Lawrence v. Texas happened.

Sadly, it seems that, despite the birth of the internet, lots of people still haven't got the memo.


Yup, missed this memo, though probably disregarded it as it doesn't effect me. :-P. I do recall reading about it in the news, now that you point it out.

Either way, good for the Supreme Court, agree with the ruling, and that's not the topic, my bad.

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Postby Qeristan » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:04 am

Well if we are going to protect a bunch of cells that completely lack thought or feeling and force a woman to have a child she never wanted, can we at least provide some decent welfare so the mother and her child don't potentially starve to death?

Or is that asking for too much?

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:06 am

Qeristan wrote:Well if we are going to protect a bunch of cells that completely lack thought or feeling and force a woman to have a child she never wanted, can we at least provide some decent welfare so the mother and her child don't potentially starve to death?

Or is that asking for too much?

oh don't be ridiculous. we will save her by denying her any help so she and her child can be FREEEEEEEEE
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Postby Nova Carpathia » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:07 am

What has Kansas contributed to society aside from being the place where Dorothy comes from

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Postby DogDoo 7 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:51 am

Nova Carpathia wrote:What has Kansas contributed to society aside from being the place where Dorothy comes from

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:11 am

greed and death wrote:People of Kanas, North Dakota, Mississippi, if you want to change Constitutional law please please please use the amendment process.

But that's way harder than the "break the Constitution and then whine about activist judges when slapped down" process.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:20 am

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Ahh So miscarriage is manslaughter?

Okay, now this is bugging me.

We don't prosecute SID do we? We don't prosecute when a kid dies from flu, do we?


Did you notice your examples involve people who were born?

There have been trials for negligence of such deaths.

I would not put it past the God Squad to want examination of miscarriage claims as how do you prove it wasn't intentional?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:44 am

Absurdity wrote:
Surfistan wrote:I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people

This is accurate.

I also like steak

Vegetarian.

and the militairy

Not really.

and Jesus

He's alright.

Your attempt at being witty and/or edgy has failed.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:47 am

greed and death wrote:People of Kanas, North Dakota, Mississippi, if you want to change Constitutional law please please please use the amendment process.


States rights you socialist!!!!!!

Ron Rand Paul for President!!!!
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