Kansas to enact "Life starts at fertilization" abortion law

[Wisconsin9]

NOT CHILDREN, YOU TWIT, LOOK IN A MOTHER FUCKING DICTIONARY!

What make it not a child, hmm? Someones child is their offspring, right? So, the unborn ARE infact children.

Oh, for the love of... fine, since you're apparently unwilling to look up what that word actually means, I did it for you.

[Alowwvia]

I feel no allegience to anyone because they so happen to be made up of the same reproducing chains of acids and proteins as I am.

I feel kinship with people because they are persons with their own thoughts and experiences, who live in subjective reality just like I do. I don't care what buildup of protein and sugars and bases and acids brought them to that state, they're people.

In the same regard, if clumps of similar protein and amino acids and such exist that do not posses an independent mind, there is no ethical dilemma in keeping them from forming into a group of protein and other organic material that can.

Yes, there is. It is still a human, that has committed no crime in order to warrant it's destruction.

"Human" is meaningless to me. If a goldfish was sapient, I would gladly converse with it. If pigs developed philosophy, I would cease to eat bacon.

The specific make up of your genetic code does not give you worth; your self-aware, subjective experience does.

[Absurdity]

1.2/10

Settle down, skippy.

No. Very little pisses me off more than people who don't bother to look up the correct definition of a word before using it. I suppose you could call me a definition Nazi.

And don't call me skippy. Ever.

Whatever you say, skippy.

What something can 'develop into' is beyond irrelevant.

For instance, consider this:

Someone owns a house. Suddenly, overnight, someone builds ANOTHER house one their front lawn without permission, with a note on it saying 'Moving in in 9 months, maybe'. No rational person would have a moral dilemma in deciding to demolish the house right then and there, because nobody fucking lives there yet and it's an inconceivable. You're not hurting anybody, not until someone's around to understand they are being bulldozed.

Analogies don't work for this. It'd be more accurate to say someone decides they want to build a house inside of your vagina and you don't get to say "No, thanks."

Saying "No thanks" to unprotected sex (which could potentially result in impregnation) is something responsible you could do.

[Surfistan]

I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people, I also like steak and the militairy, chyeah, and Jesus, that pretty sums me up."

But for real, no woman likes to get an abortion, but she should have the right to have one, otherwise you wouldn't dare to imagine what she could do.
eg. Go to an unsanitised "operating room" with a "doctor" who printed his diploma from an online university.

[Alowwvia]

Saying "No thanks" to unprotected sex (which could potentially result in impregnation) is something responsible you could do.

What is Rape, for $500 Alex?

What is Birth Control Failure, for a thousand?

[The Black Forrest]

I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR ARGUMENT

THEREFORE IT IS A FALLACY

Sounds like everything the pro-choicers throw at pro-lifers when they make an argument they don't life.

Ahh yes because we all know the pro-life squad understand genetics and biology.

[Wisconsin9]

No. Very little pisses me off more than people who don't bother to look up the correct definition of a word before using it. I suppose you could call me a definition Nazi.

And don't call me skippy. Ever.

Whatever you say, skippy.

That pisses me off, and while I would rather not take the time to do so, and maybe nothing will come of it, but if you ever call me that again I will report you.

[The Black Forrest]

I feel no allegience to anyone because they so happen to be made up of the same reproducing chains of acids and proteins as I am.

I feel kinship with people because they are persons with their own thoughts and experiences, who live in subjective reality just like I do. I don't care what buildup of protein and sugars and bases and acids brought them to that state, they're people.

In the same regard, if clumps of similar protein and amino acids and such exist that do not posses an independent mind, there is no ethical dilemma in keeping them from forming into a group of protein and other organic material that can.

Yes, there is. It is still a human, that has committed no crime in order to warrant it's destruction.

If only all pregnancies would carry to term.

Again who long for prosecution of miscarriage?

NOT CHILDREN, YOU TWIT, LOOK IN A MOTHER FUCKING DICTIONARY!

What make it not a child, hmm? Someones child is their offspring, right? So, the unborn ARE infact children.

Ahh So miscarriage is manslaughter?

[The Black Forrest]

No. Very little pisses me off more than people who don't bother to look up the correct definition of a word before using it. I suppose you could call me a definition Nazi.

And don't call me skippy. Ever.

Whatever you say, skippy.

Analogies don't work for this. It'd be more accurate to say someone decides they want to build a house inside of your vagina and you don't get to say "No, thanks."

Saying "No thanks" to unprotected sex (which could potentially result in impregnation) is something responsible you could do.

Aren't you adorable.

[Absurdity]

Saying "No thanks" to unprotected sex (which could potentially result in impregnation) is something responsible you could do.

What is Rape, for $500 Alex?

Exception.

What is Birth Control Failure, for a thousand?

How often does that happen, honestly?

[Alowwvia]

What is Rape, for $500 Alex?

Exception.

What is Birth Control Failure, for a thousand?

How often does that happen, honestly?

Common enough to be a concern.

Also, why an exception? Either a fetus is an independent, sapient organism, or it isn't. Pick one.

[New Naephak]

What is Birth Control Failure, for a thousand?

How often does that happen, honestly?

The pill has an ~8% failure rate. So out of every thousand women using it alone, 80 end up pregnant.

[Hathradic States]

Ahh So miscarriage is manslaughter?

Okay, now this is bugging me.

We don't prosecute SID do we? We don't prosecute when a kid dies from flu, do we?

[Absurdity]

Exception.


How often does that happen, honestly?

Common enough to be a concern.

Regardless, I imagine abortion recipients who've cited birth control failure as their reason for killing off their foetuses are in the minority.

Also, why an exception? Either a fetus is an independent, sapient organism, or it isn't. Pick one.

With rape victims, it is an issue with consent; they did not consent to the intercourse. I will say, however, that continuing on with a pregnancy which resulted from rape is a very admirable thing to do. After all, it's not the child's fault.

[New Chalcedon]

What is Rape, for $500 Alex?

Exception.

But - following your viewpoint - the fetus hasn't committed a crime, and so abortion = murder. But in this one instance, you're prepared to sanction murder to prevent a woman from experiencing "inconvenience".

Therefore, by believing that there should be an exception to anti-abortion laws for rape and only for rape, you're a hypocrite. Either abortion is murder - and therefore just about the worst crime that can be committed - or it is not. You don't get to pick and choose based on how the fetus came into existence - that doesn't change what it is.

What is Birth Control Failure, for a thousand?

How often does that happen, honestly?

Judging by your presence, at least once.

More seriously, the most common birth control methods have failure rates between 5 and 20%.

Female condoms ("diaphragm"): 21%.
Male condoms: 15%.
Contraceptive patch: 8%.
POP (the "minipill"): 8%.

Birth control failure is actually rather common, you know.

[Alowwvia]

How often does that happen, honestly?

Judging by your presence, at least once.

Holy sick burn Batman.

[Zweite Alaje]

I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people, I also like steak and the militairy, chyeah, and Jesus, that pretty sums me up."

But for real, no woman likes to get an abortion, but she should have the right to have one, otherwise you wouldn't dare to imagine what she could do.
eg. Go to an unsanitised "operating room" with a "doctor" who printed his diploma from an online university.

If you notice, none of us have made an appeal to any deities.

And no, people don't get to kill a human for their own convience.

[Alowwvia]

I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people, I also like steak and the militairy, chyeah, and Jesus, that pretty sums me up."

But for real, no woman likes to get an abortion, but she should have the right to have one, otherwise you wouldn't dare to imagine what she could do.
eg. Go to an unsanitised "operating room" with a "doctor" who printed his diploma from an online university.

If you notice, none of us have made an appeal to any deities.

And no, people don't get to kill a human for their own convience.

Being human isn't special.

Being sapient is special.

[Great Nepal]

I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people, I also like steak and the militairy, chyeah, and Jesus, that pretty sums me up."

But for real, no woman likes to get an abortion, but she should have the right to have one, otherwise you wouldn't dare to imagine what she could do.
eg. Go to an unsanitised "operating room" with a "doctor" who printed his diploma from an online university.

If you notice, none of us have made an appeal to any deities.

And no, people don't get to kill a human for their own convience.

Foetus is not human by definition.
Human is defined as "a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance".
- Foetus is neither a man, woman nor a child.

[Absurdity]

Exception.

But - following your viewpoint - the fetus hasn't committed a crime, and so abortion = murder. But in this one instance, you're prepared to sanction murder to prevent a woman from experiencing "inconvenience"..

Look above.

Judging by your presence, at least once.

WHAT'S THAT? YOU HOLD AN OPINION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM MINE? YOU'RE AN ACCIDENTAL. HUEHUE, AREN'T I FUNNY, GUYS?


























GUYS?

[Surfistan]

I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people, I also like steak and the militairy, chyeah, and Jesus, that pretty sums me up."

But for real, no woman likes to get an abortion, but she should have the right to have one, otherwise you wouldn't dare to imagine what she could do.
eg. Go to an unsanitised "operating room" with a "doctor" who printed his diploma from an online university.

If you notice, none of us have made an appeal to any deities.

And no, people don't get to kill a human for their own convience.

Being irriligious and "pro-life" is just so very wrong, because religion is the only (failed) argument against abortion.

It only becomes human after sentience.

[Zweite Alaje]

If you notice, none of us have made an appeal to any deities.

And no, people don't get to kill a human for their own convience.

Being human isn't special.

Being sapient is special.

Then what is the point of bringing up anyone's rights? If being a human isn't special, why should I care about anyone having a pregnancy against their will?

[Alowwvia]

Being human isn't special.

Being sapient is special.

Then what is the point of bringing up anyone's rights? If being a human isn't special, why should I care about anyone having a pregnancy against their will?

Because they are a sapient being having their freedom and happiness infringed upon needlessly.

[Absurdity]

I like these pro-life agents, because, "Hey I like fetuses, fetuses are people

This is accurate.

I also like steak

Vegetarian.

and the militairy

Not really.

and Jesus

He's alright.

Your attempt at being witty and/or edgy has failed.

[Zweite Alaje]

Then what is the point of bringing up anyone's rights? If being a human isn't special, why should I care about anyone having a pregnancy against their will?

Because they are a sapient being having their freedom and happiness infringed upon needlessly.

Why is sapience special? Why is freedom special? Why is happiness special?